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post #2371 of 2914
I was planning on getting the Olive One, but this thread is making me rethink that. Sounds like the devices are unreliable? "Olive recommends you turn off the device frequently to avoid problems" really disheartens me since the reason I'd be getting it is to have an always on music player/service. If I wanted something I had to turn on and off I'd just continue using my mac mini running windows 7 with jriver and jremote on my ipad to control it
post #2372 of 2914
Question:

The Olive Ipad software is getting really old fashioned. No album art to browse, no ff controls during playback.
And I don't think we will see any new software, espacially not compatible with the Olive 4.


Has anybody any good experiences with UPNP/DLNA player software on the Ipad. All software that I tried, is ok, as long as you do not simply wnat to play a full album.
That requires making playlists etc, and the Ipad needs to stay on.

Any better experiences?
post #2373 of 2914
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Originally Posted by uncola View Post

I was planning on getting the Olive One, but this thread is making me rethink that. Sounds like the devices are unreliable? "Olive recommends you turn off the device frequently to avoid problems" really disheartens me since the reason I'd be getting it is to have an always on music player/service. If I wanted something I had to turn on and off I'd just continue using my mac mini running windows 7 with jriver and jremote on my ipad to control it

I have not seen any (bad) experiences with the Olive I.
Keep in mind that most people posting on a forum have problems, negative results, questions, and seldom have good news, nice experiences or stunning solutions. It's like consulting a doctor, you won't go there if you're not ill. rolleyes.gif

Marc
post #2374 of 2914
Well, I bit the bullet and placed an order for a 2012 O4HD, new in the box, from a distributor in Asia (via eBay). The unit is on the west coast, so I should have it within a week. Wish me luck! wink.gif
post #2375 of 2914
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Originally Posted by J.Mike Ferrara View Post

Well, I bit the bullet and placed an order for a 2012 O4HD, new in the box, from a distributor in Asia (via eBay). The unit is on the west coast, so I should have it within a week. Wish me luck! wink.gif

Done! biggrin.gif
post #2376 of 2914
BTW, I've decided I'm going to rip my CDs to WAV format. I don't believe that FLAC will improve the sound but I understand it uses less disk space. That shouldn't be a problem - I don't have close to 6000 CDs! But the extra 25 minutes per disc for FLAC will be an issue when I'll initially want to rip 500 CDs.
post #2377 of 2914
^^^

Good luck smile.gif

Mark
post #2378 of 2914
Unless there have been recent improvements, it has often been said that WAV handles metadata but in a clumsier way than FLAC, and if you transfer a WAV library to another device there is a chance some of the information may not appear as it should. For this reason, I believe that Olive itself has recommended to use FLAC.
post #2379 of 2914
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Originally Posted by ODYeo View Post

Unless there have been recent improvements, it has often been said that WAV handles metadata but in a clumsier way than FLAC, and if you transfer a WAV library to another device there is a chance some of the information may not appear as it should. For this reason, I believe that Olive itself has recommended to use FLAC.
Thanks for this nugget. I'll plan on searching thru this thread for other hints.
post #2380 of 2914
As far as I know, ALL metadata that you put in an Olive is kept in a SQlite database, and NOT in the FLAC or WAV or whatever-files of your music.
Whatever you put in the music files before feeding it to an Olive will be kept unaltered, whatever you change with Maestro will be kept in its database.
That's the reason many people do the ripping and editing work on their pc's before importing it, so that they have an actual backup elsewhere.
For people like me with mostly classical music, this isn't a solution, because there is no external editor that handles the metadata as Maestro does for classical music.

As far as I know, that is. cool.gif

Marc
post #2381 of 2914
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Originally Posted by wolfert View Post

Question:

The Olive Ipad software is getting really old fashioned. No album art to browse, no ff controls during playback.
And I don't think we will see any new software, espacially not compatible with the Olive 4.

I have recently started using a Samsung Note 2 phone and was very pleased with the upgraded quality of the Olive Android app. You get art on more areas than in the ipad app. They should certainly upgrade the iOS app but are probably more concerned at this point with the One.
post #2382 of 2914
Hi all,

It's my first time visit to this forum.

So I'm an owner of Olive 4HD and I have the same problems with unit as many visitors:

At first it's very hard problem to switch it on. If I'm lucky and it finally is on I can't control it nor from remote and buttons on front panel. To switch it off I can only by power button on rear panel. In some cases I have normal Olive screen and ability to control it from screen. In that way I installed last 4.3.2 Update.

But now I have only white screen with inscription "Olive. System starting up, Please wait" and nothing more. But I can see it from iMac in my home net and even play music. I can't control it from both remote and front panel but I can control it from iPhone and iPad. Even I'm able to download music files to Olive 4HD import folder.

May be I didn't read carefully but I can't understand in which way forum people solved this problem or it still persist and there is no way to solve it?

Oleg
post #2383 of 2914
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

As far as I know, ALL metadata that you put in an Olive is kept in a SQlite database, and NOT in the FLAC or WAV or whatever-files of your music.
Whatever you put in the music files before feeding it to an Olive will be kept unaltered, whatever you change with Maestro will be kept in its database.
That's the reason many people do the ripping and editing work on their pc's before importing it, so that they have an actual backup elsewhere.
For people like me with mostly classical music, this isn't a solution, because there is no external editor that handles the metadata as Maestro does for classical music.

As far as I know, that is. cool.gif

Marc
Thx Marc. I'm thinking that the WAV format is more portable among other devices than FLAC. I'm wondering how many owners selected WAV over FLAC?
post #2384 of 2914
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Originally Posted by Oleg1951 View Post

Hi all,

It's my first time visit to this forum.
[...]

May be I didn't read carefully but I can't understand in which way forum people solved this problem or it still persist and there is no way to solve it?

Oleg

I must have said this before, but anyway.
I think the problem is on the system partition (partition 2 or 3) or more likely on the 5. partition.
The dumb method:
- if you have a decent backup, try the recovery procedure with an USB stick. This wipes out your data, but no harm , because you DO have a proper backup, eh?
The clever solution:
- get the disk out. get knoppix. Do fsck /dev/sdx2, idem for sdx3 and sdx5 (and if you are there also sdx7). Use a or b or c for the exact drive letter x! I guess one of these partitions has failures which prevent correct booting.

Good luck.
Marc
post #2385 of 2914
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

I must have said this before, but anyway.
I think the problem is on the system partition (partition 2 or 3) or more likely on the 5. partition.
The dumb method:
- if you have a decent backup, try the recovery procedure with an USB stick. This wipes out your data, but no harm , because you DO have a proper backup, eh?
The clever solution:
- get the disk out. get knoppix. Do fsck /dev/sdx2, idem for sdx3 and sdx5 (and if you are there also sdx7). Use a or b or c for the exact drive letter x! I guess one of these partitions has failures which prevent correct booting.

Good luck.
Marc

Thank you for advice.

I decided to choose clever solution and asked my son to do it because I'm not very skill in Linux. He used Parted Magic instead of Knoppix. I think that's not very important.

When I tried the first test after repair it was the same: at start up touchscreen freezes, I can't control device from remote, touchscreen and buttons on front panel. No luck with only one difference: my picture was black with inscription Olive and date and time. And I can control Olive from iPhone and iPad.

Over one day I tried again and strange thing: it works and I can control it from remote, touchscreen and buttons on front panel. I don't know is it forever or for only short time. I'll use this possibility and try to make backup.

I'll let you know about my further actions and results, of course.

Thank you again.

Oleg
post #2386 of 2914
I'm hoping that when the Olive One is released that Olive will provide a app to transcode the FLAC files on our currently owned Olive products to another hard drive or to the new onboard hard drives of hard dive equipped Ones. This would, of course save any changes that were made to the metadata with Maestro. It only seems fair that Olive provide their loyal customers with this. I do not like the idea of having to re-rip my giant collection of CDs again. That is the main reason I invested in the Olive 4HD. I thought this would be the last time I needed to rip my collection. I hope we are not left to fend for ourselves in this matter.
post #2387 of 2914
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Originally Posted by Oleg1951 View Post

Thank you for advice.

I decided to choose clever solution and asked my son to do it because I'm not very skill in Linux. He used Parted Magic instead of Knoppix. I think that's not very important.

When I tried the first test after repair it was the same: at start up touchscreen freezes, I can't control device from remote, touchscreen and buttons on front panel. No luck with only one difference: my picture was black with inscription Olive and date and time. And I can control Olive from iPhone and iPad.

Over one day I tried again and strange thing: it works and I can control it from remote, touchscreen and buttons on front panel. I don't know is it forever or for only short time. I'll use this possibility and try to make backup.

I'll let you know about my further actions and results, of course.

Thank you again.

Oleg

Nice, congrats!
Wish I had such a son...

@sfmike: Did you ask olive? I don't think it is possible. The best thing you can hope for is that your next device will be an Olive too, and that it will be backwards compatible.

Marc
post #2388 of 2914
OK my O4HD arrived via UPS in perfect condition, new in the box. I know I'm very late to the party, but here are some first impressions & a few comments and questions:

1) The build quality is very good. Solid. And it's bigger than I thought it would be.

2) Absolutely quite. Impressive.

3) Wireless setup - I initally had problems because the default password format is all upper case and my PW is all lower case. Also, the network connection seemed flakey at first until I realized that the O4HD did not play nice with my wireless Grace Digital Internet Tuner - no biggie, I'll just turn it off until needed (BTW, the Grace allows me to access my Sirius and Pandora accounts.)
Question: although the icon tells me that the wireless connnection is 3 bars strong, I'm wondering if another antenna would make an improvement? Is anyone using the wireless setup using two antennae?

4) Burning CDs - seems straightforward. I like the summary screen that states all tracks have been successfully ripped. As for the operation, I'm used to immediate feedback, but the O4HD takes it's time for just about every operation (except playback of ripped music, which is instant)

5) User experience - a tad frustrating - slow and a non-inuitive UI comes to mind. But lots and lots of options to learn about and play with. I'm going to spend the next month or so importing my CDs into the Olive, and then built my playlists. As for Maestro, I'm ticked off I have to install Firefox (Olive must have some kind of deal with them) to use it. When I imported Yes's Greatest Hits last night, the cover art was not retrieved, so thia AM using Maestro, I found the cover art online, downloaded to my PC, as selected it for uplaod. Well, Maestro gives no feedback that the upload is successful - bad programming IMHO. But, when I checked the Olive unit some time later, the artwork had indeed uploaded successfully.

I did update to the latest SW, and last night the O4HD did a disk scan. Everything is good to go.

All in all, I'm very pleased with my purchase, and the fact that I got a new unit for a substantial discount makes it a very sweet deal. biggrin.gif
post #2389 of 2914
After uploading an image with iMaestro the new image is displayed in the embedded Opus preview screen. Confirmation enough, I think.
I'm always a bit jealous on people that do their ripping in a few months. I started about 3 years ago and I'm still busy with it.

Marc
post #2390 of 2914
LOL - I've only got about 1000 CDs plus the iTunes and MSP3 on my PC.
Now, a lot of my LPs (500+) have been copied to cassette (Dolby B and C) and I'd love to turn them into digital format. Maybe when I retire.
post #2391 of 2914
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Originally Posted by J.Mike Ferrara View Post

LOL - I've only got about 1000 CDs plus the iTunes and MSP3 on my PC.
Now, a lot of my LPs (500+) have been copied to cassette (Dolby B and C) and I'd love to turn them into digital format. Maybe when I retire.

Well, I started back then with about 1300 cd's. But when I discovered the super high way to let them shine like diamonds in my set, I began to buy more. And more. And still more.
Now I have ripped 2289 cd's, but roughly there are 1000 more waiting.
The problem is that I love classical music, which is the hardest to organize and describe, for which the Olives give ample possibilities.
Pop and other such 'simple' music is quite easy to rip and describe, one can almost always rely on what the cddb gives.

Good luck with your 04HD. Take care, and don't forget to make regular backups as long as you are busy ripping.

Marc
post #2392 of 2914
Hi,

i recently got access to a olive hd4 of a friend of mine.
Thanks to the information in this forum, i managed to extract all flac files from the Olive Backup. I have the same problem like many people here: i want to tag and rename this files for transfering it to another "non-olive" music server.

So i decided that i will try to implement a phython programm which reads all the needed information from the sqliteDB and write it to the folder/file - names and tags.
Right now I'm stuck at these Problems:

- in the Backup there is no zDB File, just these .zc files. I can't open them with sqlLiteBrowser. I'm also wondering about the filesize of the odb.dat.zc file. Anybody knows what format or purpose this file and the other .zc files have?

I CAN open the zDB File which i got over the ssh/sftp trick.
But it would be nicer to have a tool which rescues all flac files from a olive backup, without the need to get the db over ssh.

Any information ob this topic would be very appreciated.
post #2393 of 2914
Interesting try!
Can't you just copy the zDB to the backup directory? Or am I missing a clue?

The real effort is to get the metadata out of the zDB, not to get the zDB itself.
Btw the ODB.DAT is the local cddb for Olive, you don't need it.

Marc
post #2394 of 2914
Quote:
Can't you just copy the zDB to the backup directory? Or am I missing a clue?
I can copy it via ssh, but cant use the zDB.zc from the backupdrive (which is about the same size as teh zDB File)
I could just use the zDB manual copied via ssh. But in the longterm i want to publish my script so everybody with a olive can benefit. And it would be much more convient to install a ext2 driver and plug the backupdrive into a computer than connect via ssh to IP some people don't know.
Quote:
The real effort is to get the metadata out of the zDB, not to get the zDB itself.
I know. My plan is to iterate over all files and than have a SQL lookup in the zDB to fetch all relevant information.
This could be used for exporting the files to a new musicserver. The other thing will be a overview of alle the albums youve got, which were the laste edited, last played, never played.
There is so much information in the zDB and the programmers from olive dont use it at all (in their iOS and Android App)

btw: has anybody reversed the API which is used by the olive apps?
Quote:
Btw the ODB.DAT is the local cddb for Olive, you don't need it.
Thanks for the information
post #2395 of 2914
Try 7-zip. If I remember correctly, this is the used compression method, but lately it seems to be password protected. One would have to look in the code to get it, but I'm quite sure that it can be done.
meanwhile, you could try with the password TJ270442

Marc
post #2396 of 2914
So, I spent last weekend importing CDs and configuring playlists. Everything ran smoothly. I've noticed inconsistancies on how a CD's metadata is tagged. Seems somewhat arbitrary rolleyes.gif But, I can clean it up using Maestro (which is somewhat slow and clunky).

As for the latest SW update, I followed the instructions provided by Olive to update the display firmware
Quote:
•Add support to initiate display firmware update from local system via long press (5+ seconds simultaneously) of the combination of button presses using UP+FF buttons. Display firmware firmware 3.0 for O3/O4HD and firmware 2.0 for O6HD systems will be installed.
•Display “DO NOT POWER OFF” message first after display firmware update button combination has been detected. Then proceed to update process. Combo button press (UP+FF) must be held simultaneously for more than 5 seconds to be recognized as a valid event. Button press events will be ignored if press duration is less than 5 seconds.

I did this and the update completed without issues. Does anyone know what this is about? I'm hoping that we HD owners will be able to utilize the new display software. biggrin.gif
post #2397 of 2914
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Originally Posted by elnin0 View Post


btw: has anybody reversed the API which is used by the olive apps?
Thanks for the information

The iphone/android apps chat w/ the Olive via HTTP. If that is what you are looking for I could share with you what I know just pm me.
post #2398 of 2914
Dear RHG3 and all AVS members

My name is Eduardo and I am from Chile. I am a meloman and this take me also to a kind of audiofile. Y mainly hear Canterburyan Rock and other stuff like Zappa, Frith and Jazz (Miles, Monk, Coltrane, etc)

My system is based on;

OLIVE 06HD
CHORD QDB76HDSD
CHORD PRIMA
ATC SCM 50 ACTIVE

I apologize my self for starting inmidiately asking for your help, but I am trying to make the back uo of my olive. I have used about 800 gigas and try to make the back up with a 1 tera HD (after format the disc to FAT32) and I got the message "space is not enought", so I bought a 2 teras HD and got the same message. I really wnat to make the ack up as there are a lots of CD inside that i do not fisicaly own.

some one have an Idea of waht could be the problem?

thank you in advance

Eduardo
post #2399 of 2914
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.Mike Ferrara View Post

So, I spent last weekend importing CDs and configuring playlists. Everything ran smoothly. I've noticed inconsistancies on how a CD's metadata is tagged. Seems somewhat arbitrary rolleyes.gif But, I can clean it up using Maestro (which is somewhat slow and clunky).

As for the latest SW update, I followed the instructions provided by Olive to update the display firmware
Quote:
•Add support to initiate display firmware update from local system via long press (5+ seconds simultaneously) of the combination of button presses using UP+FF buttons. Display firmware firmware 3.0 for O3/O4HD and firmware 2.0 for O6HD systems will be installed.
•Display “DO NOT POWER OFF” message first after display firmware update button combination has been detected. Then proceed to update process. Combo button press (UP+FF) must be held simultaneously for more than 5 seconds to be recognized as a valid event. Button press events will be ignored if press duration is less than 5 seconds.

I did this and the update completed without issues. Does anyone know what this is about? I'm hoping that we HD owners will be able to utilize the new display software. biggrin.gif

just did the display firmware update: thanks for pointing it out

don't know what it is for either but this is the first display update I can recall
post #2400 of 2914
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

just did the display firmware update: thanks for pointing it out

don't know what it is for either but this is the first display update I can recall



What do you guys consider the FF button? The up is obvious but FF?
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