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post #241 of 2911
Hi (this is my first post at AVS )

I am following this thread from the first post and I think that the Opus 4 is a fantastic device.

But I think that the Opus 4 has an issue: it can't play the Ogg Vorbis format. It really doesn't matter if we need to playback Ogg Vorbis files (they can be converted to FLAC) but is important if we want to "sintonize" a Internet Radio that broadcast in this format.

A few months ago I sent an e-mail to the Olive staff asking if the Opus 4 can playback the Ogg Vorbis, and they answered that "the Opus 4 does not support Ogg Vorbis any more."

It was a little disappointment because I think in a near future this could be implemented... (the Opus 3 can playback the Ogg Vorbis format...)

Does somebody know if this have changed? Is possible that in a future release of the Opus sofware can be included?

Do you think that the support of Ogg Vorbis is interesting for this fantastic device?

TIA

P.D.: I hope that the Opus 4 can be bought soon here in Spain
post #242 of 2911
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

That issue is already reported to Olive. Nice to hear that it is not an issue for the Melody, that is promising.

Marc

The last update was showing a progress bar, so they had fixed that in te previous update. Cool.

Marc
post #243 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Hi (this is my first post at AVS )

I am following this thread from the first post and I think that the Opus 4 is a fantastic device.

But I think that the Opus 4 has an issue: it can't play the Ogg Vorbis format. It really doesn't matter if we need to playback Ogg Vorbis files (they can be converted to FLAC) but is important if we want to "sintonize" a Internet Radio that broadcast in this format.

A few months ago I sent an e-mail to the Olive staff asking if the Opus 4 can playback the Ogg Vorbis, and they answered that "the Opus 4 does not support Ogg Vorbis any more."

It was a little disappointment because I think in a near future this could be implemented... (the Opus 3 can playback the Ogg Vorbis format...)

Does somebody know if this have changed? Is possible that in a future release of the Opus sofware can be included?

Do you think that the support of Ogg Vorbis is interesting for this fantastic device?

TIA

P.D.: I hope that the Opus 4 can be bought soon here in Spain

Hi Twenty,
Can you give an example of a station that sends with ogg-vorbis?
I was also a bit disapointed to find out that this new device did not play my ogg-files, but as I already had decided to rerip everything in FLAC, that did not hurt so much.
Nevertheless, it's a bit silly that the Opus dropped ogg, being a Linux device, and ogg-vorbis being an open source format. No license costs involved!

Marc
post #244 of 2911
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Hi Twenty,
Can you give an example of a station that sends with ogg-vorbis?
Marc

Hi Marc. Thanks for your response .

[Read as a HTTP URL]openradio.co.uk/Stations/All[/Read as a HTTP URL] is a list with some Internet radio stations that are using Ogg Vorbis.

For example, the station "Radio Mania" sounds awesome using Vorbis at 160 kbps .

P.D.: Ups... sorry, I can't post any URL in my first three posts... (this is my second)
post #245 of 2911
Thread Starter 
I just tried loading an ogg-vorbis file on to the Opus 4. No go... Don't give up hope. I just discovered that it will play WMA files, though they aren't officially supported. It also does fine with Apple lossless and .m4a files.

I've never really used the ogg-vorbis file format. While I understand it is a very good audio compressor, but none of the portable devices I've ever owned supported it with the stock firmware (Sony, Sansa, iPods, various Smartphones, etc), so there was little reason to encode in that format. Perhaps Olive will add it in at some point in time.
post #246 of 2911
Another question for the 4 users:

Can you adjust the playback volume from within the 4? On the older models you could adjust playback volume for individual tracks, artists, albums, etc. to make the playback volume more consistent. Can you do this on a 4? I looked through the 4 manual and cannot find any mention of it. It is a very handy feature. Anyone tried this on a 4?

Thanks again, Ed
post #247 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Hi Marc. Thanks for your response .

[Read as a HTTP URL]openradio.co.uk/Stations/All[/Read as a HTTP URL] is a list with some Internet radio stations that are using Ogg Vorbis.

For example, the station "Radio Mania" sounds awesome using Vorbis at 160 kbps .

P.D.: Ups... sorry, I can't post any URL in my first three posts... (this is my second)

If you want to enter a link, you can do that with the left icon in the bar above the edit area, the globe with the paperclip (or so) :http://openradio.co.uk/Stations/All
But i don't know how to enter the right information in the Opus from this link. Radio mania is in Estland, and they don't provide something understandable on their site (for me, it's like ogg-vorbis to Opus).
But don't mind, the Opus will not be able to play their music, you can rest for sure.

I have chosen the Opus for it's ability to cope for classical music; it is said that it is based on the Hifidelio, which once got bankrupted, but now is alive and kicking again. Hifidelio's are sold in Spain, and they understand Ogg-Vorbis. I just read a good review about it in Audio. The largest hard disk it is sold with is 500 GB.
It is not nearly so beautiful as the Opus No.4, but I guess it will not sound worse.

Marc
post #248 of 2911
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

I've never really used the ogg-vorbis file format. While I understand it is a very good audio compressor, but none of the portable devices I've ever owned supported it with the stock firmware (Sony, Sansa, iPods, various Smartphones, etc), so there was little reason to encode in that format. Perhaps Olive will add it in at some point in time.

Hi, zbrett.

It's a pity that the Ogg Vorbis isn't supported by a lot of devices. Despite this, some of my friends have a device that playbacks it (I don't remember the brand and model).

I am sure that my next portable device will play Ogg Vorbis (currently I have a Creative Zen Vision:M)
post #249 of 2911
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

If you want to enter a link, you can do that with the left icon in the bar above the edit area, the globe with the paperclip (or so) :http://openradio.co.uk/Stations/All

Thanks so much, Marc, but the problem was another . I discovered that the forum doesn't permit URLs in posts to users with three posts or less trying to avoid spammers.

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

But i don't know how to enter the right information in the Opus from this link. Radio mania is in Estland, and they don't provide something understandable on their site

The URL of the stream for "Radio Mania" is: http://icecast.linxtelecom.com:8000/mania.ogg (extracted from the m3u downloaded at OpenRadio). I hope this can help you .

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

I have chosen the Opus for it's ability to cope for classical music; it is said that it is based on the Hifidelio, which once got bankrupted, but now is alive and kicking again. Hifidelio's are sold in Spain, and they understand Ogg-Vorbis. I just read a good review about it in Audio. The largest hard disk it is sold with is 500 GB.
It is not nearly so beautiful as the Opus No.4, but I guess it will not sound worse

I think that Hifidelio is the other "great choice". I discovered the Hifidelio before the Opus 4, but I prefer the Opus 4 (the only "problem" is the Ogg Vorbis issue... and maybe the SSH access [GNU/Linux freaks...]). I think in Opus 4 as an evolution (mostly in user interface and appearance) of the Hifidelio Pro (indeed, the Opus 3 is the most near to a Hifidelio Pro).
post #250 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

The URL of the stream for "Radio Mania" is: http://icecast.linxtelecom.com:8000/mania.ogg (extracted from the m3u downloaded at OpenRadio). I hope this can help you .

Haha, in reality it helps you...
First, I have added one of my favourites (www.concertzender.nl) to be sure that I did it right.
Second, I switched on my Noxon 2 Radio, and I added Radio Mania with the url you provided. There it was... The Noxon supports ogg natively.
Third, without much hope, I did the same with the Opus. I really could not believe my ears! There it was...

Isn't this amazing? I checked twice that it is the same station with the Noxon, and there is no doubt. It works, that means: it sounds.
The only culprit is, there is no information on the display, as with my Noxon. It says N/A, just as it does with www.concertzender.nl (with mp3 quality)

Maybe someone of the respected opus No.4 owners can confirm my findings?

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I think that Hifidelio is the other "great choice". I discovered the Hifidelio before the Opus 4, but I prefer the Opus 4 (the only "problem" is the Ogg Vorbis issue... and maybe the SSH access [GNU/Linux freaks...]). I think in Opus 4 as an evolution (mostly in user interface and appearance) of the Hifidelio Pro (indeed, the Opus 3 is the most near to a Hifidelio Pro).

I'm not so much a Linux freak as well a Linux user, I have no Windows in this place. Maybe something smart can be done with the recovery cd.
My NAS is a Asus WL700gE, which was a closed device, until someone figured out a way to telnet into it.
Now you can install anything you like on this once closed NAS.

But, apart from the ogg-file-not-supported issue, I don't see much use for this.
As a music lover you're better off with FLAC, which is open source as well.

Marc
post #251 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Hi, zbrett.

It's a pity that the Ogg Vorbis isn't supported by a lot of devices. Despite this, some of my friends have a device that playbacks it (I don't remember the brand and model).

I am sure that my next portable device will play Ogg Vorbis (currently I have a Creative Zen Vision:M)

I have a palm Live Drive that plays ogg-files. I have been looking for devices that can play them for long. I ended with this palm, and the Noxon 2 radio with Twonky on my NAS.
Then i ripped all my cd's, just to find out that I could not find anything in the mess that freedb had made in my collection.

Now I re-rip everything, with the Opus, with pace. Every cd is scrutinizingly edited to my wishes. It will cost me another two years, but that's fine with me. As long as it delivers me my music.

Marc
post #252 of 2911
Thread Starter 
Volume Leveling is on the to-do list, but not in place yet.

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Originally Posted by egoss View Post

Another question for the 4 users:

Can you adjust the playback volume from within the 4? On the older models you could adjust playback volume for individual tracks, artists, albums, etc. to make the playback volume more consistent. Can you do this on a 4? I looked through the 4 manual and cannot find any mention of it. It is a very handy feature. Anyone tried this on a 4?

Thanks again, Ed
post #253 of 2911
Thread Starter 
Yup, http://icecast.linxtelecom.com:8000/mania.ogg worked the same for me on my Opus 4. No info in the display, but it works.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Haha, in reality it helps you...
First, I have added one of my favourites (www.concertzender.nl) to be sure that I did it right.
Second, I switched on my Noxon 2 Radio, and I added Radio Mania with the url you provided. There it was... The Noxon supports ogg natively.
Third, without much hope, I did the same with the Opus. I really could not believe my ears! There it was...

Isn't this amazing? I checked twice that it is the same station with the Noxon, and there is no doubt. It works, that means: it sounds.
The only culprit is, there is no information on the display, as with my Noxon. It says N/A, just as it does with www.concertzender.nl (with mp3 quality)

Maybe someone of the respected opus No.4 owners can confirm my findings?



I'm not so much a Linux freak as well a Linux user, I have no Windows in this place. Maybe something smart can be done with the recovery cd.
My NAS is a Asus WL700gE, which was a closed device, until someone figured out a way to telnet into it.
Now you can install anything you like on this once closed NAS.

But, apart from the ogg-file-not-supported issue, I don't see much use for this.
As a music lover you're better off with FLAC, which is open source as well.

Marc
post #254 of 2911
Quote:
Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Haha, in reality it helps you...
First, I have added one of my favourites (www.concertzender.nl) to be sure that I did it right.
Second, I switched on my Noxon 2 Radio, and I added Radio Mania with the url you provided. There it was... The Noxon supports ogg natively.
Third, without much hope, I did the same with the Opus. I really could not believe my ears! There it was...

Quote:
Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Yup, http://icecast.linxtelecom.com:8000/mania.ogg worked the same for me on my Opus 4. No info in the display, but it works.

Thanks so much, Marc and zbrett . These are great news!

But... I am really confused... If the Opus 4 can playback (at least) Vorbis streams, Why the people at Olive didn't say it? I think that is a great feature for their device...

If the Opus 4 can playback Vorbis streams, Why can't playback Ogg Vorbis files? Is probably a problem with the Ogg container? Maybe is a problem with the tags or metadata?

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

I'm not so much a Linux freak as well a Linux user, I have no Windows in this place.

Me too. And I only have GNU/Linux everywhere (at home and job) .

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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

As a music lover you're better off with FLAC, which is open source as well.

Of course. In my opinion, FLAC is "THE lossless codec". Currently I am converting all my CD collection to FLAC. But the Ogg Vorbis codec is really a good solution in other situations: portable devices with "limited capacity", car audio, video games, Internet streams (of course )...

Thanks!
post #255 of 2911
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Volume Leveling is on the to-do list, but not in place yet.

Is there a place where we can see the "bug-tracker" or "to-do list" for the Olive devices?

Thanks!
post #256 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Is there a place where we can see the "bug-tracker" or "to-do list" for the Olive devices?

Thanks!

I was just about asking the Olive people to deliver that. I guess they don't like to see the bugs/wishes/quircks in public.

Just now I got another one. I wanted to make a backup, I had connected my usb-disk, but nothing happened when I 'pressed' the OK button. I took the USB-drive off, again no reaction. I switched the Opus off an on (you can safely do that once it is sleeping, I do it every day), but again no sign of backup-activity.
Now I disconnected the USB-cable, that I had connected to the back of the Opus.
Whoah! Now it reacted, with: please connect a usb disk (or something similar). With much effort I managed to find the usb-hole at the back again...
It's backing up, on a EXT3 disk.

But I REALLY like to have this USB-cable connected all te time. It's just to cumbersome to connect it everytime you want to make a backup.

Marc
post #257 of 2911
Thread Starter 
Nope. I just know that every time I communicate with Olive about a bug, it is already on "the list," or they will add it to "the list." They do acknowledge some unresolved issues in the release notes updates.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Is there a place where we can see the "bug-tracker" or "to-do list" for the Olive devices?

Thanks!
post #258 of 2911
Thread Starter 
I've found that it is possible, without too much effort, to connect the USB cable by mistake in upside down, and then of course it doesn't work. I just leave the cable connected.


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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

Just now I got another one. I wanted to make a backup, I had connected my usb-disk, but nothing happened when I 'pressed' the OK button. I took the USB-drive off, again no reaction. I switched the Opus off an on (you can safely do that once it is sleeping, I do it every day), but again no sign of backup-activity.
Now I disconnected the USB-cable, that I had connected to the back of the Opus.
Whoah! Now it reacted, with: please connect a usb disk (or something similar). With much effort I managed to find the usb-hole at the back again...
It's backing up, on a EXT3 disk.

But I REALLY like to have this USB-cable connected all te time. It's just to cumbersome to connect it everytime you want to make a backup.

Marc
post #259 of 2911
Thread Starter 
Yesterday I tried to stream an ogg-vorbis file from my HP MV2020 NAS to the Opus, but unfortunately neither versions of the media sever software on my NAS (Twonky and Syabas) support ogg. Maybe someone else out there could give it a try.

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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Thanks so much, Marc and zbrett . These are great news!

But... I am really confused... If the Opus 4 can playback (at least) Vorbis streams, Why the people at Olive didn't say it? I think that is a great feature for their device...

If the Opus 4 can playback Vorbis streams, Why can't playback Ogg Vorbis files? Is probably a problem with the Ogg container? Maybe is a problem with the tags or metadata?
post #260 of 2911
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Yesterday I tried to stream an ogg-vorbis file from my HP MV2020 NAS to the Opus, but unfortunately neither versions of the media sever software on my NAS (Twonky and Syabas) support ogg. Maybe someone else out there could give it a try.

Zbrett, could you please reply below the quote, and not on top of it? I know outlook has this habit, but you don't have to.

It is not so much a problem with the media server, but with the Opus itself.
My Twonky server on my NAS doesn't care what kind of format the files have (at least it can be told to stream ogg-files), but the Opus does not eat it.
I had a running Twonky server that the Opus contacted, just to find out that that there was no music the opus could understand, because it's all ogg there.

I know that Firefly is able to transcode ogg-files to wav, a feature I have used some time for my Pinnacle soundbridge that also does not understand ogg-vorbis. But that is no real solution in this case.

The only proper solution is that Olive puts ogg back in place.

Marc
post #261 of 2911
Hi, I have ripped about 135 cd's, but 7 of them could not be ripped by the Opus. I have already informed Olive about this. Has anyone of you experienced something similar?

The way it usually goes: put in a cd, look at the rolling wheels until the Artist and Album name appear. In the bad case the rolling wheels keep rolling, and rolling for ages.
My pc never has trouble reading and identifying these cd's.

Marc
post #262 of 2911
The new Opus interface looks neat... but... I just discovered that in the place were i would expect the title "Choir" or "Chorus" (yes, classical music spoken here), "undefined" is shown.

Has anyone noticed that also, and did anyone inform Olive about this?

Marc

No-one who can confirm? Don't you have any classical album? ANY?
post #263 of 2911
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

I can see all of the album covers in cover art. I still have an "unknown" album at the end

Brett, I've got the phantom album at the end, also.

Here's another vote for the return of the scroll bar in Maestro.
post #264 of 2911
Yes, with this new update, several cd's are unable to be read by the opus. I wonder why. Jack
post #265 of 2911
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Originally Posted by jk92147 View Post

Yes, with this new update, several cd's are unable to be read by the opus. I wonder why. Jack

I don't know if the fault is with the new software. Anyway, when some of my cd's are unreadable, the contain foreign characters as Ã* é, ç etc.
For instance:
1) Anne Sofie von Otter, Barbara Hendricks & Brigitte Fournier-Gluck - Orphée
et Eurydice (Disk 2)
2) Anne Sofie von Otter; Barbara Hendricks; Brigitte Fournier-Gluck - Orphée
et Eurydice (Disk 1)
3) Debussy, Claude-Pelléas Et Mélisande (CD2)
4) Puccini, Giacomo-La Bohème - BRTN Philharmonic Orchestra Brussels (CD 1 von 2)
5) Puccini, Giacomo-La Bohème - BRTN Philharmonic Orchestra Brussels (CD 2 von 2)
6) Rossini G. (1792-1868)-La cambiale di matrimonio (Praticò, Rossi,
Comencini, De Simone, Facini, Baiano - M. Viotti, English Chamber Orchestra)

On my pc I had no trouble ripping these. The Opus just spins its wheels forever.

I have informed Olive about this of course.

Marc
post #266 of 2911
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Originally Posted by Twenty View Post

Hi, zbrett.

It's a pity that the Ogg Vorbis isn't supported by a lot of devices. Despite this, some of my friends have a device that playbacks it (I don't remember the brand and model).

I am sure that my next portable device will play Ogg Vorbis (currently I have a Creative Zen Vision:M)

A portable device that can play and stream Ogg Vorbis files: the Archos 5. It can act as a uPnP client for streaming from a NAS drive or an Opus. It can output a digital signal (from an accessory docking station) if you want to use an external DAC for high quality streaming. Other supported audio file formats include FLAC. In addition, it is an excellent Internet radio receiver, records and plays most video formats, and is a very good photo viewer.

MG
post #267 of 2911
A while back we discussed the ability of the Opus to handle high-res downloads. The conclusion was that the Opus No.4 could not play music any better than cd-quality, 44.1 Khz, 16 bits.
But with a decent DAC as the Cambridge dacmagic it could do much better.

So far so good.
The other day I wanted to test the ability my computer has with the USB-output. I connected it to the Dacmagic and played all the five Gimell testfiles I had, from 16 bit 44.1KHz up to 24 bit 96KHz. My dacmagic played them all, showing an constant input of 48 KHz.

Now, the strange Opus behaviour:
I played the five files on the Opus, and my dac showed again a constant inputrate of, now, 44.1KHz. No matter which file was playing! I even could switch my amplifier to the analog stereo output of the Opus, and still the files played smoothly...
Only when I played the files individually, selecting just one of them, the dacmagic showed the proper resolution, and the analog output sounded bad with the better files.

So, the Opus does not initialize the outputrate in between tracks, and that way it can play even the highest resolution files (with downgraded quality).

Bizar...

Marc
post #268 of 2911
There is a 400GB Opus N. 5 posted for sale in the classifieds forum in case anyone is interested.
post #269 of 2911
Just a tip: there is a new version of EAC available: http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

Marc
post #270 of 2911
Hi Diginote!

Is there a VNC client available for the Archos 5? Or do you have to use the Rondo web interface to control an Olive? I can't seem to find a consensus of opinion on-line.

I'm almost ready to buy one......

Thanks again, Ed

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Originally Posted by DIGINOTE View Post

A portable device that can play and stream Ogg Vorbis files: the Archos 5. It can act as a uPnP client for streaming from a NAS drive or an Opus. It can output a digital signal (from an accessory docking station) if you want to use an external DAC for high quality streaming. Other supported audio file formats include FLAC. In addition, it is an excellent Internet radio receiver, records and plays most video formats, and is a very good photo viewer.

MG
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