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post #301 of 2399
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Originally Posted by drmolitor View Post

Thanks for the replies. Being one who needs to try things for himself, I'll obstinately try ripping directly to the Opus first, as that's what I want to work--if I'm unhappy, I'll go PC. Bummer about the inability to play and rip simultaneously on the 4. I envisioned night after night after night of listening to all my forgotten and forsaken cds. Of course, I could still do that, but the ripping would have provided a helpful shove.

You can play the album once its ripped. You'll just have to start listening a couple minutes behind once you get the first one done. No big deal really...
post #302 of 2399
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The 4.0.2 software update for Opus 4 / Melody 2 is available for download (but the web site has not been updated yet). I haven't had a chance to play with it, but a few new features are the ability to play/shuffle all tracks via albums (highlight "Albums" and press the play button), and the GUI is suppose to be faster. The ability to shuffle by "Tracks" is still being worked on since at the moment it can be too slow with large collections. The release notes should be up on the website by the end of the week.
post #303 of 2399
Dear Peers,
I have the opus 500 multiroom system (www.opus-technologies.co.uk) in my whole house which Iam comtrolling from 24 main zones of my house. The main issue is that i have total of 6 audio sources routed to my whole house and if have to listen to the specific song on the dvd disk, which is already being played in some other zone, i can only control the levels of that track. I want complete control of any media at any zone with complete independence of play back.

I was recently looking for adding a music server from Opus (preferably N 4 or N5) to be interfaced with my Opus 500 system. Can you guys tell me if I use this music server, my issue of independent track accessibility and complete playback control from any zone at the same time will be resolved....

I would appreciate your feedback on this....
post #304 of 2399
Yeah! Got my Opus last night. Didn't have much time to play as I had a thing but brief initial impressions are positive. Ripped a cd or two just to see how it worked. One thing I did notice right away is the analog line level out seems rather low compared to my other components. I know many of you, if not most, use a DAC, and I may go there someday, but I'm wondering if others have experienced this. I have the volume turned all the way up on the opus and still needed to turn my amp higher than I do even with my turntable to get a comparable volume level (and much higher than my Marantz cd player.) This is not a huge deal, though I do expect to be using other components from time to time (I still cling to a few minidiscs from my days in Japan) and would prefer a closer volume match between them. Any secrets there or is this (hopefully not) an isolated case? Thanks.

Can't wait to get home tonight.
post #305 of 2399
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by drmolitor View Post

Yeah! Got my Opus last night. Didn't have much time to play as I had a thing but brief initial impressions are positive. Ripped a cd or two just to see how it worked. One thing I did notice right away is the analog line level out seems rather low compared to my other components. I know many of you, if not most, use a DAC, and I may go there someday, but I'm wondering if others have experienced this. I have the volume turned all the way up on the opus and still needed to turn my amp higher than I do even with my turntable to get a comparable volume level (and much higher than my Marantz cd player.) This is not a huge deal, though I do expect to be using other components from time to time (I still cling to a few minidiscs from my days in Japan) and would prefer a closer volume match between them. Any secrets there or is this (hopefully not) an isolated case? Thanks.

Can't wait to get home tonight.

Make sure the volume on the Opus is turned up all the way. Besides that, this is not an isolated case. They all (Opus 4) have a lower analog output level than many other components.
post #306 of 2399
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

Make sure the volume on the Opus is turned up all the way. Besides that, this is not an isolated case. They all (Opus 4) have a lower analog output level than many other components.

Hmm...I've noticed that the output of the internet radio is much higher than the hard drive though.
post #307 of 2399
Seeking some help, here. I loaded the latest software updates onto my Opus 4 and Melody, and while the Opus is running fine, the Melody completely died after the update. I got an error message asking me to restore the system, but I don't see how I can do that for just the Melody, without wiping the Opus (which I am not inclined to do, even though it is backed up). Thoughts? I would be happy just to put the Melody back to its earlier firmware.
post #308 of 2399
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Originally Posted by JimInLoganSquare View Post

Seeking some help, here. I loaded the latest software updates onto my Opus 4 and Melody, and while the Opus is running fine, the Melody completely died after the update. I got an error message asking me to restore the system, but I don't see how I can do that for just the Melody, without wiping the Opus (which I am not inclined to do, even though it is backed up). Thoughts? I would be happy just to put the Melody back to its earlier firmware.

Upon further research, there is an easy solution to this problem. You can download a recovery file from the Olive website and put i on a USB Flash Drive. Instructions can be found at:

https://www.olive.us/contact/softwar...0ca58d2f629461
post #309 of 2399
Just received my new 1TB Opus 4 and have some observations and questions for this knowledgeable group.

1. The user guide is very sparse.

2. The software needs to be more informative about what it is doing and needs to keep important messages on screen until I have a chance to read them. For example, I put a CD in to rip and walk away. Seven minutes later I come back and the disk is ejected, but I don't know unless I look (actually play?) at the track list to see if all the tracks were "good".

3. It seems to run *very* hot. Is this normal? Especially the left top side. I have it ventilated, but still...

4. Am I supposed to always only use the standby button? I did this and went to bed and when I got up it was still hot. I'm assuming that the drive spins down when not in use. Should I be using the off button on the back?

5. When I get an error ripping -- eg., "3 Good Tracks, 12 Bad Tracks" and try to re-import I get the msg, "Cannot Read CD". I can't retry?

6. The unit came out of the box with something small and metallic sounding rolling around inside -- perhaps a loose screw or piece of solder? Should I be worried about this? How could this not be noticed before shipping?

7. My remote seems to be mostly dead. Not dead all the time, but perhaps a button like "next track" will work once in 10-15 tries. I replaced the batteries but no luck. Any thoughts

8. After 50 CD imports exactly zero album art has appeared.

9. What is the most current release level of the OS and the software update? Mine says Software: 0.4.0.2 and CD DB: 1.3.2

10. Finally, I am converting about 600 CD's (rock, classical, Indian, jazz, celtic, and various international) using FLAC. Is it best to be using the direct import method on the Opus unit? I'm under a time constraint -- moving for two years out of the country in 2 weeks and want to leave the CD's behind.

All of this said, I LOVE THE SOUND. I am hearing things I never heard before.

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #310 of 2399
I too just received my opus and been busy figuring things out. I'll do my best with your questions and add a few of my own, but it sounds like you may have some isolated issues.

1. Yes, but I was expecting this based on previous posts.
2. I agree. In fact, I didn't realize any of my tracks were bad until stumbling upon them later. The post-rip message only pops up for a few seconds--it's unreasonable to expect one to sit and monitor the entire import process, particularly in the beginning when dealing with hundreds of cds. I'd prefer a message that remained on screen until it got user acknowledgment. Of course, the response you'll hear from many is to rip externally and then import, which is fine for many, but not a satisfactory solution in my opinion. The unit was designed to import directly and I don't want to sit around my computer (or even be shuttling back and forth) to babysit the process--I want to spend that time in my listening room listening to my music while I'm loading it. Again, I understand the benefits of ripping externally, but both methods are advertised and both should work.
3. Yes, my left side runs hot as well, both top and bottom, but it seems to be only when ripping. I raised the unit up on a couple of rubber casters to let it breathe. Haven't noticed any problems from this heat though.
4. Hmm. I tested this and mine was cool in the morning. I've only used the standby button so far.
5. Haven't tried this.
6. That doesn't sound right/good. Mine makes no rattling noises when I pick it up.
7. My remote works fine.
8. I've only had one or two albums out of a few hundred imports so far that brought back no art. I've actually been surprised and impressed with the success rate though some of them have been rather amusing. Pretty simple to get online and download the correct art, though I understand it would be frustrating if no art was appearing. It's sounding more like you've got an oddball.
9. Don't recall; not in front of mine now.
10. Like I said, this is the way I've been doing it, and stubbornly want to keep doing it, though I'm a little disappointed in the process and understand why others encourage ripping externally. Some of this leads into my own questions for the group:

In general, I'm disappointed in Maestro's ability to manage playback. Granted, I was warned about its limitations, but I was expecting to at least use it for simple functions like switching shuffle on or off, pausing, skipping tracks, etc. I guess I'm now confused as to how others are using their Nokias and Iphones as a remote for this thing. On the Olive site itself, it shows an iphone with the actual Opus screen being displayed, so that you could control it from another room just as you would at the touchscreen. How does one do this? I can only pull up Maestro from my PC and pick a track or an album or playlist to play. I'm sorry if I'm forgetting if this has been covered/explained already earlier.

Other issues:
1. Can I not move tracks around within an album in Maestro? For example, I tried to merge both discs of The White Album, but it decided to put track 1 of Disc 2 as track 2, track 2 as track 4, etc. The manual stated it would append the tracks of disc 2 to the end of disc 1. It didn't, and I was unable to move them afterward.
2. As stated above, more transparency needed with the success/failure of importing.
3. I can't seem to add an entire album to a playlist from the opus screen, short of adding each track individually. Is this possible or must I go through Maestro?
4. This is very minor, but when playing/shuffling all albums, must one always start the first album on the list and then hit shuffle. Can you set the shuffle on as a default for playing all albums or must I always hear the first several seconds of 330,0003 Crossdressers from Beyond the Rig Veda?
5. Based on earlier posts regarding balance irregularities, I tested both L and R channels and was surprised to hear some bleed through on each when they were supposedly "off." E.g. when the knob was turned entirely to the right, I could still hear a little sound from the left. I am not a technician, nor a true audiophile so perhaps this is something I've missed in the past, but I don't believe my other components do this.

Things I'd like to see:
1. A shuffle by album feature that would play an entire album, then randomly choose another.
2. More agility in the browse by album cover art feature. Something akin to the flip scroll on an ipod. I understand this is the premise, but it's still slow/cumbersome.
3. A volume leveling feature on import that would make volume more uniform from album to album on playback. Another check I suppose in the "rip externally" column? I just don't think we should have to settle for that.

Please don't think I'm unhappy however. I love the sound, and I love the shuffle by album feature: I'm hearing songs/albums again that I had just stopped putting in at some point. For the most part, the importing has gone smoothly, though I suppose I now need to double check everything for bad tracks. But I'm happy.
post #311 of 2399
Thread Starter 
You are going to continue to have issues with ripping directly to the unit until Olive implements the CD Database feature. Ripping with an external source and importing to the Opus will save you a lot of heartache unit this happens. I know this somewhat defeats the purpose of an all-in-one solution for the time being, but Olive has been quite good at fixing software issues and adding features, so I think it is just a matter of time before that is sorted out. That said, I have problems with artwork and tagging with programs that pull database information from the internet that I use on my PC as well, so nothing is perfect. A bit of manual tweaking with be necessary no matter what solution you ultimately use.

My unit doesn't run anything but warm. I've only ripped a few CDs directly to the unit, so I can't comment on how hot it gets while ripping.

Things rattling around are not good. FedEx can be unkind to packages. You might want to explore sending the unit back to Olive, and asking them to check it out, and if necessary, transfer your disk drive to a new unit so you don't lose all of your work.

No issues with my remote for my Opus 4 or Melody 2. However, I don't use the Olive remotes since I have Harmony all-in-one remotes to control all of my systems.

Most current release is O.4.0.2. You can track the releases here:

http://www.olive.us/contact/releasen...4_melody2.html

The PDA interface is still in beta. It can be found at this URL.

http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8163/olive_opus.php

Substitute xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx for Opus IP address which can be found under network setup -> network information. Still a work in progress. Long term I think the plan is to use Maestro to manage the music, and the PDA interface to manage playback of the Opus.

I'm not quite sure I follow your question, but you can move tracks around in Maestro via drag and drop. Make sure you are using FireFox, because Internet Explorer has some issues.

Volume leveling is definitely on the "to do" list.
post #312 of 2399
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post


The PDA interface is still in beta. It can be found at this URL.

http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8163/olive_opus.php

Thanks. I'll try that tonight.

I was not able to drag and drop tracks in Maestro. Tried several times.

Good news on the volume leveling. Think that would apply to playback or would we have to reimport everything?
post #313 of 2399
Also: I'm using Firefox.

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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

You are going to continue to have issues with ripping directly to the unit until Olive implements the CD Database feature.

Just to clarify: My issues with importing aren't about the database at all--in fact, I've been pleasantly surprised by the recognition success rate. The problem I have is the 2 to 3 second post-import message. I'll jump from the couch the second I hear it spit out the cd and often don't make it to see how many tracks were "good." That and my inability so far to drag and drop tracks within an album, but I'll give that a go again tonight.

Thanks again.
post #314 of 2399
I totally agree that the messages from importing a cd, making a backup etc, should stay on the screen until you hit OK.

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1. Can I not move tracks around within an album in Maestro? For example, I tried to merge both discs of The White Album, but it decided to put track 1 of Disc 2 as track 2, track 2 as track 4, etc. The manual stated it would append the tracks of disc 2 to the end of disc 1. It didn't, and I was unable to move them afterward.

When you want to merge two albums and want 1-1,2-1,1-2,2-2,1-3,2-3, etc, I think it suffices to delete the disc number from both albums.
If the disc number is 1 and for the other is 2, then the first cd gets before the second cd, as you might expect. In fact, in the early days this did not work due to a bug.
Bu maybe i don't understand what you mean.

Marc
post #315 of 2399
Have had my Musica for a few years and enjoyed it until I had a power surge in the house and the unit had to be sent back for repair - got returned with all my CD's gone

Been dreading ripping them all again but then got the email to 'upgrade' to the Opus 4. To those who have done it - is it worth it? I know it's a subjective question but would like to hear if the extra $900 will be getting me that much better of a music player.

Also, if I get the Opus 4 - is it pretty easy to put all the music I have stored on my computer onto the unit? I have it on itunes as well as on an external hard drive. The thought of ripping all those CD's back on to my machine is just too daunting. Have a friend in SF who I may get to go 'walk in' with all my CD's - read they will rip all your CD's for free that way...
post #316 of 2399
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Originally Posted by snvyas View Post

Have had my Musica for a few years and enjoyed it until I had a power surge in the house and the unit had to be sent back for repair - got returned with all my CD's gone

Been dreading ripping them all again but then got the email to 'upgrade' to the Opus 4. To those who have done it - is it worth it? I know it's a subjective question but would like to hear if the extra $900 will be getting me that much better of a music player.

Also, if I get the Opus 4 - is it pretty easy to put all the music I have stored on my computer onto the unit? I have it on itunes as well as on an external hard drive. The thought of ripping all those CD's back on to my machine is just too daunting. Have a friend in SF who I may get to go 'walk in' with all my CD's - read they will rip all your CD's for free that way...

Importing your itunes and other music files is a simple drag and drop operation from within Windows. The time is takes depends on the speed of your network, and the number of files.
post #317 of 2399
There are a number of ways to push files over to the Opus from your PC's hard drive; if you use a Windows PC, try this simple method, which was taught to me by others on AVS Forum (so, I pass it forward):

1. Fire up the Opus and find out its network address. To do this, go to Settings => Network Settings = > Network Information; the address will be 192.168.1.xxx, where "xxx" is a three-digit number that will vary from 101 to 109 ... just write down what you see.
2. On your PC, open Internet Explorer
3. Type in the following address in the IE address line to open your "Imports" folder (and pay close attention to the direction of the slash marks; it's the opposite of what you usually use for web addresses):

\\\\[your Opus's network address] (For example: \\\\192.168.1.107)

4. In another window on your PC, open up the folder(s) where your music is stored (note that you can't import digitally protected iTunes to the Opus, but unprotected iTunes (.m4a) files, flac, mp3, etc. will all work)
5. Drag and drop the music files to the import folder; they will be pushed over to the Opus

That's it. It's kind of slow going, but nothing compared to re-ripping your CDs.

Edited to reflect correction on iTunes files from zbrett, below
post #318 of 2399
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Originally Posted by JimInLoganSquare View Post

4. In another window on your PC, open up the folder(s) where your music is stored (note that you can't import iTunes to the Opus, but flac, mp3, etc. will all work)

Actually you can drag and drop iTunes files (.m4a) directly from the iTunes interface into the import folder for the Opus as long as they aren't digitally protected. I do it all the time.
post #319 of 2399
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Just an FYI - My contact at Olive has asked that you contact them the name and details of any CDs that you are having issues with in terms of recognition, data, artwork, etc when ripping the CDs on the Opus so they can try and troubleshoot these recognition issues.

http://www.olive.us/contact/productsupport.html
post #320 of 2399
Thread Starter 
Never mind, it seems to be working now. Strange.
post #321 of 2399
Just tried FireFox 3.5 myself. No problem. (In Linux)

Marc
post #322 of 2399
Loving my Opus. All day shuffle, no CDs to put away.
A couple problems:
I still cannot manage to move tracks around within playlists on Maestro. It drags but never drops. Is there a trick I'm missing?
I also tried burning a Cd for the first time the other night with no luck. Tried about four different CDRs. It began converting for several minutes and then simply showed a screen reading "CD burn aborted" or something.
Thanks for any help.
post #323 of 2399
I have not much experience with playlists. With maestro I can add songs from other places, but not from other playlists. Also, I can't delete a song from a playlist.
I never tried to burn a cd, so I hope someone else has something to say about this matter.

Marc
post #324 of 2399
Ok, I got it to burn. I think I isolated and removed one bad track. Still can't move, or delete, anything within a playlist (actually, I can remove, but only through the touchscreen, not Maestro) so any insight would be appreciated.
post #325 of 2399
I've been having problems with some downloaded material, specifically from HDTracks, which refuse to play on the Opus. All of the tracks show up on the touchscreen and Maestro, but when I press Play, the tracks just don't start playing. I am able to play these tracks from the hard drive of my PC using WinAmp, but not through the Opus 4. I did nothing out of the ordinary when importing the files to the Opus, and there is no particular pattern that I can discern -- some recent downloads work fine, others do not. Any thoughts?
post #326 of 2399
The Opus can play ordinary cd-data (44.1KHz 16 bit) and some higher resolution data formats. The web site (the FAQ) tells:
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What audio formats can the OPUS and MELODY play?

AIFF, WAV, FLAC, MP3, MP3 VBR, and AAC with sampling rates from 11,000 to 96,000 Hz.

This does not give a clue about the data width, which is probably only 16 bits.

Anyway, the Opus won't play on its own something like a 96Khz 24 bit Flac file.
But when attached digitally to a decent DAC it can play anything the DAC is capable of.
I have a Cambridge DacMagic that plays up to 96KHz 24 bit.
The internal Olive 4 DAC is just a bit mediocre, i.m.h.o.

Marc
post #327 of 2399
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

I have a Cambridge DacMagic that plays op to 192KHz 24 bit.
The internal Olive 4 DAC is just a bit mediocre, i.m.h.o.

Marc

Marc, if you don't mind, on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the Olive Dac vs. the DacMagic with the DACMagic being a 10? Others?
I'm thinking of going for one but just made a rather large (for me) purchase --the Olive.
Thanks
post #328 of 2399
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Originally Posted by mumsoft View Post

The Opus can play ordinary cd-data (44.1KHz 16 bit) and some higher resolution data formats. The web site (the FAQ) tells:

This does not give a clue about the data width, which is probably only 16 bits.

Anyway, the Opus won't play on its own something like a 96Khz 24 bit Flac file.
But when attached digitally to a decent DAC it can play anything the DAC is capable of.
I have a Cambridge DacMagic that plays op to 192KHz 24 bit.
The internal Olive 4 DAC is just a bit mediocre, i.m.h.o.

Marc

I don't have a Opus 4, but based on what their sales dept said, that's not quite true. Even through the digital out, it supposedly won't output 24/176 or 24/192 content (WAV or FLAC), which you can get from places like Reference Recordings, Classic Records, 2L, etc. My guess is the limit is 24/96 due to the software; perhaps that is something they can rectify going forward. I do find it very odd that the internal DACs can't play high res files, given that just about any DAC in the last 5+ years can work with it and it's obviously not a software limitation given it can output higher-than-CD resolution. Anyone know the DAC chip used in the Opus 4?
post #329 of 2399
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Originally Posted by nottlv View Post

I don't have a Opus 4, but based on what their sales dept said, that's not quite true. Even through the digital out, it supposedly won't output 24/176 or 24/192 content (WAV or FLAC), which you can get from places like Reference Recordings, Classic Records, 2L, etc. My guess is the limit is 24/96 due to the software; perhaps that is something they can rectify going forward. I do find it very odd that the internal DACs can't play high res files, given that just about any DAC in the last 5+ years can work with it and it's obviously not a software limitation given it can output higher-than-CD resolution. Anyone know the DAC chip used in the Opus 4?

I was a bit too optimistic about the DacMagic. It does not play anything incoming higher than 96KHz/24 bit. But it upsamples everything to 192KHz/24 bit.
That said - I learn everyday something more - the higher the input rate is, the more trouble a DAC has to get the jitter down. Or, to put it bluntly, if a DAC sounds very nice with cd-data, it can fail with the higher resolutions. The DacMagic is not quite so wonderful in this regard.

The internal dac, well, if i throw a 96KHz/24 bit file at it, it utters something that faintly resembles to music.
Unfortunately, i don't have a 96Khz/16 bit file for testing. Does anyone know some?
To say something nice: the other day i had downloaded some mp3-files, and to my amazement I did not hear anything via the dacmagic, but the internal dac did very well. It appeared to be a 22.500KHz file, which is too LOW for my dacmagic.

Marc
post #330 of 2399
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Originally Posted by drmolitor View Post

Marc, if you don't mind, on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the Olive Dac vs. the DacMagic with the DACMagic being a 10? Others?
I'm thinking of going for one but just made a rather large (for me) purchase --the Olive.
Thanks

That is a bit tricky! I have not compared these two in extenso, and besides my dacmagic is modified, and sounds even more lovely than it used to.
The internal dac does not sound bad at all, but in comparison, it has a more digital nature, and it has a smaller soundstage.
Rate it 6,7, the orignal DacMagic 10, my modified one 12,13. (that's MY rate)
But take your time. In my opinion, the *only* part that can be upgraded, is this DAC-part. So, save your money, DAC's are changing rapidly and what is hot today is just an ordinary DAC tomorrow.
Just have a look here: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/all...an-buy-197674/

Marc
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