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post #31 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hopkins View Post

If it were me I'd take the feet off of the furniture you have up front... 2" more height would really open up your options.

That's a good idea, but then I don't think those sliding glass doors would work.
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post #32 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by jvgillow View Post

Vandersteen VCC-1 would fit also. Coaxial design.

I have heard them....good choice.
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post #33 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:47am
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penngray, from what I've read bookshelfs can often be better than floorstanders in a smaller room. The room is only 12.5'x13.5'. Am I off on this?

I really do want this to be a long term solution that I'm not wanting to upgrade later.

If I go the floorstander route...
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post #34 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:47am
someone else suggested wall mounts on the side of the screen and a CC underneath?

There are some seriously good on-wall choices out there and if your budget is really $2K for three speakers you could find something pretty good. Paradigm has some very nice on-wall choices (more drivers the better for dynamics). Not sure what the height of the CC is though.
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post #35 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:49am
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penngray, from what I've read bookshelfs can often be better than floorstanders in a smaller room. The room is only 12.5'x13.5'. Am I off on this?

I have never heard that but I personally I do like bookshelf designs with a proper sub system. Good Bookshelfs will do down to 80Hz, I never go lower then that even though manufacturing specs say some do 60Hz, I would rather have my sub handled anything below 80Hz.

Floorstands will allow for more drivers and therefore more dynamic SPL range....GOOD for HT experience.
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post #36 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by tpLouKY View Post

wow ed, thanks for the suggestions. those kef speakers look really nice. my current receiver is a pioneer elite vsx50. not really sure about it's specs. came with the rocket tykes. thinking about getting an onkyo 606 or 805.

get the 805. the 606 shouldnt even be in the same sentance. there is a big difference in size between the 2. do what you have to to make room, if impossible the 705, is way better than 606. more power, better audessy,7 channel matrix, etc.
as for speakers maybe 3 ascend 340se centers. it should work. you could call ascend, or maybe curtis could chime in here.
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post #37 of 125
12/4/08 at 10:56am
You could even put larger bookshelfs on stands to the sides of the screen. It doesn't look as clean as what you have in mind, but opens your number of options up almost exponentially.

Since you do listen to a decent ratio of music in a small room, floor standers may have benefit for 2ch listening without the sub. Maybe look at the current $1800 Rocket package (RS850, RS450, RSC200) and see if they'll sub-in different surrounds for less... that is assuming there won't be floor space for the RS450 in the back with the sub back there...
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post #38 of 125
12/4/08 at 11:11am
Floorstander would just be too close to the side walls IMO.
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post #39 of 125
12/4/08 at 11:16am
Out from the back-wall with 20deg of toe-in should be more than acceptable.
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post #40 of 125
12/4/08 at 11:28am
I can comment on the impressiveness of the Ascend HTM200 5.1 paired with an HSU sub, that's the combo I spec'd for a system here at work (yes, I'm spoiled!). A great choice value-wise I thought and unobtrusive.
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post #41 of 125
12/4/08 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hopkins View Post

Out from the back-wall with 20deg of toe-in should be more than acceptable.

Maybe.....if that aims the speaker at the listener rather than the opposite wall. If it crosses before the listener, that can cause problems too. You also have the issue of the port firing right into the corner. Also, now where does the sub go?

It is a small room.
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post #42 of 125
12/4/08 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by edbayarea View Post

TP

Don't cross off all multi-driver centers from your list. Many designs address the lobing in different ways. KEF does it with a Coaxial design iQ6C, NHT Classic Two or Three C's have a stacked tweeter/mid, just to name a few. Center speakers are key in a multichannel set up.

Standard 2 way bookshelves would not have this lobing dispersion problem. I have used three identical bookshelves (normal orientation) and the sound was nearly perfect. and dispersion very god. Also have used currently a center with stacked tweeter mid. Excellent.

With the massive size of your screen it would be beneficial for you to have as much speaker as you can afford so the sound matches the size of those talking heads.

Consider these Bookshelves:
NHT Absolute Zero
PSB Alpha
Paradigm Atom


An interesting low profile (under 7" tall) set up option:
KEF iQ2C for Left/Right + KEF iQ6C at Center
that will give lots of sound for $740 at vanns dot com

What is your AV receiver and/or amp?

Go listen to some great speakers near you first! Good luck

According to measurements/analysis and many "convensional" wisdom, the issue with center channels is the horizonal orientation of the drivers. Stacked tweeter/mid with surrounded woofer is better, but still not as good as fully vertical. Audioholics has a great article:

http://www.audioholics.com/education...peaker-designs

Note, I believe a horizonal speaker will give much better vertical dispersion, so IF your "C" has to be located at a different height than the L/R, you may be better off with a horizontal designed center.

For the OP, in a smaller room, you may be better off going with 3 same bookshelf speakers, vertically aligned (I would not lay them horizontally!) versus 2 tower and 1 "larger" center for same price. My logic is bookshelves in theory "saves" on cabinet and no large woofer versus tower, SO in theory at same price, a bookshelf should have better drivers. In your case, possibly having better drivers in bookshelf size gets better bang for buck.
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post #43 of 125
12/4/08 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Maybe.....if that aims the speaker at the listener rather than the opposite wall. If it crosses before the listener, that can cause problems too. You also have the issue of the port firing right into the corner. Also, now where does the sub go?

It is a small room.

20deg was an estimate for a starting point, and most, if not all, of the speakers I recommend around here are front ported (especially towers). He's already said moving the sub to the back is an option as well. The room's not THAT small (I've had front-projection in smaller).
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post #44 of 125
12/4/08 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hopkins View Post

20deg was an estimate for a starting point, and most, if not all, of the speakers I recommend around here are front ported (especially towers). He's already said moving the sub to the back is an option as well. The room's not THAT small (I've had front-projection in smaller).

My point was there are more considerations/issues by going that route.

It is all do-able, just a matter of what is best or less of a compromise.
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post #45 of 125
12/4/08 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

My point was there are more considerations/issues by going that route.

It is all do-able, just a matter of what is best or less of a compromise.

Agreed 100%... I guess I wouldn't expect most around here to read me say "20deg" and just go do it without looking at the larger picture and at least experiment with different placements of whatever they do end up buying... maybe that's a false assumption? If so I might get delusions of grandeur
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post #46 of 125
12/4/08 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hopkins View Post

Agreed 100%... I guess I wouldn't expect most around here to read me say "20deg" and just go do it without looking at the larger picture and at least experiment with different placements of whatever they do end up buying... maybe that's a false assumption? If so I might get delusions of grandeur

Understood, but from looking at the picture, with speakers that close to the wall, they are going need to be toed in a lot if you want to reduce interaction.

It isn't an issue with floorstanders, it is an issue with placement.

That is a good question; How far is the seating area from the front speakers?
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post #47 of 125
12/5/08 at 8:35am
Thread Starter 
My seating is toward the back of the room. Ears are approximately 2-3 feet from the back wall.

Question, how well does an 805 do at driving 3 Sierras and 2 HTM 200 SE's?
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post #48 of 125
12/5/08 at 9:09am
A couple more for your consideration...both coming with excellent recommendations and within your budget:

5 @ <$2,000...http://www.audioc.com/speakers1/emeraldxl/emeraldxl.htm

5 @ <$500...http://www.behringer.com/B2030P/?lang=ENG
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post #49 of 125
12/5/08 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by tpLouKY View Post

My seating is toward the back of the room. Ears are approximately 2-3 feet from the back wall.

Question, how well does an 805 do at driving 3 Sierras and 2 HTM 200 SE's?

The 805 will have no problem.

So if the speakers sit 1-2' from the front wall, you will be sitting 8-9' (maybe even closer)from the speakers...right?
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post #50 of 125
12/5/08 at 11:42am
Thread Starter 
yes.
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post #51 of 125
12/5/08 at 2:47pm
Speakers under 11" in height you should consider:
Era Design 5
Era Design 4
B&W CM1
Dynaudio Audience 42 (actually 11.1")
Elac 310.2 Jet
Silverline Minuet
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post #52 of 125
12/5/08 at 3:19pm
A short while ago I was looking for a small pair of speakers and compiled a spreadsheet of some of the options out there. It is by no means complete, but it might be of some use to you.

 

Speakers.zip 9.107421875k . file
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post #53 of 125
12/5/08 at 5:00pm
Sorry I can't recommend anything as I'm a floorstanding guy(Dali) but I'm VERY jealous of your screen and beautiful room.
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post #54 of 125
12/5/08 at 5:26pm
1 reason and 2 suggestions:

The center channel is king in any movie situation. I base this on the fact that you already have a fantastic sub.

Paradigm Studio 20's on stands and a CC-590 center.

Hard to beat with movies and music. Probably 1800ish.

Paradigm CC-290/ 390 and a pair of V-5 or 6 Atoms. Probably 800ish.

A wall of sound for the money.

You can audition them, possibly bring them home for a weekend, and the new wenge finnish on the Monitors may compliment your decor objectives.
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post #55 of 125
12/5/08 at 6:28pm
may i ask why you couldn't put 2 towers to the sides of your screen? you'd get a hell of a better more full sound with a full range tower rather than a bookshelf. just my thoughts
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post #56 of 125
12/5/08 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

may i ask why you couldn't put 2 towers to the sides of your screen? you'd get a hell of a better more full sound with a full range tower rather than a bookshelf. just my thoughts

That's debateable, and putting speakers that closer to a sidewall is not a good thing.
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post #57 of 125
12/5/08 at 6:35pm
i think with a little toe in he'd be just fine. i think small speakers are a huge mistake in this case as he has a nice big HT room. just my .02
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post #58 of 125
12/5/08 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by ericm83 View Post

Speakers under 11" in height you should consider:
Era Design 5
Era Design 4
B&W CM1
Dynaudio Audience 42 (actually 11.1")
Elac 310.2 Jet
Silverline Minuet

I have heard the Eras, the CM1, and the 42. It would be worthwhile to get a listen to the Eras if you can, and the Dynaudio. IMO, the CM1 leaves a lot to be desired.
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post #59 of 125
12/5/08 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

i think with a little toe in he'd be just fine. i think small speakers are a huge mistake in this case as he has a nice big HT room. just my .02

Well, I think it depends on how small. Even a little toe-in with the speakers that close to the wall will still have a lot of reflection.

Draw a line parallel with the front speaker baffle and perpendicular with the side wall, and imagine how much toe-in you need to move that intersection a certain distance.
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post #60 of 125
12/5/08 at 7:06pm
Doesen't Definitive technologies make a very slim tower speaker? The OP might like those but the he'd have to move the sub to the back of the room.
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