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post #121 of 2036
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Originally Posted by deandob View Post

Has anyone with a RS10 tried it out with a HTPC?
Specifically looking to see if there are any problems with resolution or color banding/levels (PC level vs video level).

Did you look at my pics on page 1...showing me using it as a with my PC? (post 20)
That would answer question 1.

I am using it with hdmi out of my pc and it looks great at 1080p60.
With hdmi there is standard and enhanced video levels to dial that in corrctley from the PC.
post #122 of 2036
Here are the settings so far that I have been happiest with. Would love to hear what others are using.

Picture Mode: Natural, Brightness 0, Contrast 0, Tint 0, Color 6500K, Gamma 2.4, Sharpness 40, Detail Enhancement 20.

Haven't tried any color adjustments as I don't know what I am adjusting...
post #123 of 2036
opps, sorry W3bbY, been paying more attention to the RS20 threads.

I found the standard/enhanced in the RS20 manual for the HDMI input, it looks promising.

Can I ask why you are using 1080p60 not 1080p24 or 1080p72? You would get a smoother picture that way for HD sources?

Can you confirm that you get 1:1 native panel resolution, as the RS20 manual does not accept a 1080x1920 input for VGA or HDMI inputs. Or is the reason why you use 1080p60 because the projector won't accept 1080p24 or 1080p72?

Also, with PC input, how is the 'famous' JVC motion blur?
post #124 of 2036
Has anyone tried gaming with there RS10?


I'm curious if there is any noticeable input lag?
post #125 of 2036
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Originally Posted by deandob View Post

opps, sorry W3bbY, been paying more attention to the RS20 threads.

I found the standard/enhanced in the RS20 manual for the HDMI input, it looks promising.

Can I ask why you are using 1080p60 not 1080p24 or 1080p72? You would get a smoother picture that way for HD sources?

Can you confirm that you get 1:1 native panel resolution, as the RS20 manual does not accept a 1080x1920 input for VGA or HDMI inputs. Or is the reason why you use 1080p60 because the projector won't accept 1080p24 or 1080p72?

Also, with PC input, how is the 'famous' JVC motion blur?

My htpc is set to 1920x1080 and it just defaults fo 60hertz. I guess I should look more into that...

"the RS20 manual does not accept a 1080x1920 input for VGA or HDMI inputs."
I dont realy get that..its a 1080p projector...of course it accepts 1080 over hdmi. (unless I dont understand your question...)

If you notice motion blur it will be over all the inputs...and its not too bad to me...(and I am really anal!)

Here are the scan rates it accepts (listed in post 1!!)
-480i/p,576i/p,720p 60/50,1080i 60/50,1080 24p/60p/50p
post #126 of 2036
W3bby, yes, you will get a smoother picture for motion with a 24p, 48p or 72p setting, its not the same as the blur problem, its the smoothness of panning if the refresh rate of the display matches the source (ie. no repeating of frames like 3:2 pulldown to make up the difference in the refresh rate).

I see the 1080p/24Hz, 1080p/50Hz, 1080p/60Hz for HDMI inputs, but I'm sure that is for video signals not PC signals. You can have problems when the projector detects that a PC is connected which it does when it first connects through the EDID HDMI protocol, the PC will tell the projector what resolutions it supports and sometimes this does not work properly. What I'm worried about here is that the projector does not recognise the HTPC correctly and won't switch to one of the resolution settings. With my current projector it won't recognise the PC unless the PC is switched on first.

1080p24 is a must for Blu-ray sources and 1080p72 would be nicer but I don't think it makes a difference as the projector processor will simply show each 24p frame 3 times at 72p, which as it is the same multiple for each frame you wont get the judder like you do with 3:2 pulldown. Link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...09&postcount=7

Also, you mention the use of HDMI in your setup. Do you use a HDMI video card or do you use a HDMI cable converter (as these can make a difference to EDID problems). What video card do you use?
post #127 of 2036
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Originally Posted by deandob View Post

W3bby, yes, you will get a smoother picture for motion with a 24p, 48p or 72p setting, its not the same as the blur problem, its the smoothness of panning if the refresh rate of the display matches the source (ie. no repeating of frames like 3:2 pulldown to make up the difference in the refresh rate).

I see the 1080p/24Hz, 1080p/50Hz, 1080p/60Hz for HDMI inputs, but I'm sure that is for video signals not PC signals. You can have problems when the projector detects that a PC is connected which it does when it first connects through the EDID HDMI protocol, the PC will tell the projector what resolutions it supports and sometimes this does not work properly. What I'm worried about here is that the projector does not recognise the HTPC correctly and won't switch to one of the resolution settings. With my current projector it won't recognise the PC unless the PC is switched on first.

1080p24 is a must for Blu-ray sources and 1080p72 would be nicer but I don't think it makes a difference as the projector processor will simply show each 24p frame 3 times at 72p, which as it is the same multiple for each frame you wont get the judder like you do with 3:2 pulldown. Link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...09&postcount=7

Also, you mention the use of HDMI in your setup. Do you use a HDMI video card or do you use a HDMI cable converter (as these can make a difference to EDID problems). What video card do you use?

I am using a ati 3850 with dvi to hdmi adapter and my res is set @ 1920x1080 . this is streamikng the video and audio via hdmi to my receiver then vid to the rs10-and I have no issues. (what would an EDID problem be??)

I dont use bluray from my htpc, just play .mkv and other content.
post #128 of 2036
W3bby, then it sounds like you have it all the hardware setup OK without problems for HTPC use, even with the DVI to HDMI connector.

Can you check by setting your screen refresh rate to 24Hz or 72Hz on the PC and see if you get a stable connection / picture and that the projector reports 24p or 72p? You should also notice an improvement in the smoothness of motion.

mkv is just a container for different video formats, check the origination of the source, as it is still likely to be 24p source, so you will still have judder. If you watch lots of video through mkv it is likely to have higher compression (decompressed then recompressed) and will not look as good as native VC1 or AVC from blu-ray unless your mkv's have just wrapped the raw VC1 / AVC.

I notice from one of your earlier threads that you do use a standalone Blu-ray player, it will have the same judder issue if you run the RS10 at 60p.
post #129 of 2036
Look at these latest from my HD-350 comments???

http://www.avforums.com/forums/dlp-l...art-2-a-3.html
post #130 of 2036
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Originally Posted by deandob View Post

Can you check by setting your screen refresh rate to 24Hz or 72Hz on the PC and see if you get a stable connection

The HD350 (RS10) as well as the RS20 (HD750) can both do 1080p/24Hz without any problems. However you have to be careful about the gray levels (0..255 = HDMI-PC vs 16..235 = HDMI-Video). If the setup is wrong you will either end up with a hazy/milky picture or with crushed blacks.
post #131 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Careful with these gain and offset controls. They are grayscale controls, not gamut controls. I would imagine that these settings have screwed up your greyscale, which is probably very close to accurate out of the box.

If you want to play with something, I would try adjusting the color control down a bit.

Has anyone found a way to adjust the 350/rs10 so that the color oversaturation is tamed to acceptable levels? Some of the suggested settings on this thread affect the greyscale. Do they screw up the greyscale a lot or a little?

I went with my wife to view the rs10 the other day. While watching Independence Day even she kept noticing the colors were way off. I really liked every other aspect of this projector. But if the colors cant be tamed I will not get it. So thats why I want to know if there is an acceptable fix. (It does not have to be perfect.)

It reminds me of a girl I dated way back when. She was pretty and had a nice personality but was a chain smoker. I just knew it would get on my nerves eventually. But about that rs10.....
post #132 of 2036
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Originally Posted by mark meyers View Post

Has anyone found a way to adjust the 350/rs10 so that the color oversaturation is tamed to acceptable levels? Some of the suggested settings on this thread affect the greyscale. Do they screw up the greyscale a lot or a little?

I went with my wife to view the rs10 the other day. While watching Independence Day even she kept noticing the colors were way off. I really liked every other aspect of this projector. But if the colors cant be tamed I will not get it. So thats why I want to know if there is an acceptable fix. (It does not have to be perfect.)

It reminds me of a girl I dated way back when. She was pretty and had a nice personality but was a chain smoker. I just knew it would get on my nerves eventually.

And IN your lungs.
Well, you really might think about the RS-20 and be done with the controversial color issue that plagued the RS-1/2. Some folks felt fine with it. Sounds like you may not. Buy the RS-20, and in three years you will have forgotten about the $$ difference. Good luck !i
post #133 of 2036
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Originally Posted by mark meyers View Post

Has anyone found a way to adjust the 350/rs10 so that the color oversaturation is tamed to acceptable levels? Some of the suggested settings on this thread affect the greyscale. Do they screw up the greyscale a lot or a little?

I went with my wife to view the rs10 the other day. While watching Independence Day even she kept noticing the colors were way off. I really liked every other aspect of this projector. But if the colors cant be tamed I will not get it. So thats why I want to know if there is an acceptable fix. (It does not have to be perfect.)

It reminds me of a girl I dated way back when. She was pretty and had a nice personality but was a chain smoker. I just knew it would get on my nerves eventually. But about that rs10.....


Try turning down the color control. If that does not do it for you, just look at something else.
post #134 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Try turning down the color control. If that does not do it for you, just look at something else.

Or choose color temp custom1 lower offset RED -8 and add a bit of normal color control if needed if no good play around.
High lamp iris 3 contrast +45 gamma 2.4 and decrease the bottom end brightness to where you like it -2? -- wear your sunglasses...Gives me that plasma look on my 1.8 gain greywolf 2 screen
post #135 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Or choose color temp custom1 lower offset RED -8 and add a bit of normal color control if needed if no good play around.
High lamp iris 3 contrast +45 gamma 2.4 and decrease the bottom end brightness to where you like it -2? -- wear your sunglasses...Gives me that plasma look on my 1.8 gain greywolf 2 screen

Offset controls affect greyscale, not gamut.
post #136 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Offset controls affect greyscale, not gamut.


Check my pics in above link tell me what you think. Search for HAWK-EYE in the other link.
post #137 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Kevin 3000 View Post

Or choose color temp custom1 lower offset RED -8 and add a bit of normal color control if needed if no good play around.
High lamp iris 3 contrast +45 gamma 2.4 and decrease the bottom end brightness to where you like it -2? -- wear your sunglasses...Gives me that plasma look on my 1.8 gain greywolf 2 screen

FYI contrast at +45 you are majorly clipping the whites. I find most are in the +15-+17 range before clipping.

Just an FYI.

Also as RobZ said...Red offset is for lower ire grayscale tuning...not colors.
post #138 of 2036
Jason--could you provide your settings after you played around with the RS10 so we have a reasonable starting place. Would have gladly paid you for this but you stopped doing it

Thanks
post #139 of 2036
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Originally Posted by ksharp4 View Post

jason--could you provide your settings after you played around with the rs10 so we have a reasonable starting place. Would have gladly paid you for this but you stopped doing it

thanks

+1
post #140 of 2036
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Originally Posted by clehner View Post

The HD350 (RS10) as well as the RS20 (HD750) can both do 1080p/24Hz without any problems. However you have to be careful about the gray levels (0..255 = HDMI-PC vs 16..235 = HDMI-Video). If the setup is wrong you will either end up with a hazy/milky picture or with crushed blacks.

There is Auto,Standard and Enhanced levels for hdmi. Auto seems to nail it perfect switching from my HTPC to my BluRay.
post #141 of 2036
Placed the order for the RS10 tonight. Yaaay! I am upgrading from a Sanyo Z2. Do you think I'll see any difference? I have held out for so long, no upgrade since 2003! I almost got an Epson 1080 UB but I really wanted the RS1, which was just too expensive for me. Now the wait is killing me!

I have to connect the RS10 with a DVI cable as I don't have an HDMI run to the PJ ceiling mount. Is an HDMI Male to DVI-D Female adapter the right one? Cheapo monoprice is fine? Will I have any problems hooking to my HTPC using a DVI cable? I mean, do I lose anything?

I have a Da-Lite HiPower screen. I bought the screen when I needed a pull down screen, since HiPower is the most wrinkle resistant. I have since moved and have a dedicated room, but haven't justified buying a new screen. My PJ is ceiling mounted, so brightness is lost due to the retroreflective, high gain screen. It will be interesting to see how the RS10 works out.
post #142 of 2036
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

There is Auto,Standard and Enhanced levels for hdmi. Auto seems to nail it perfect switching from my HTPC to my BluRay.

You are right, 'AUTO' should just do it, however there have been reports where this would not do the trick, probably due to wrong implementations of the EDID standard (I am not sure who is to blame here, source or target). So look out for the crushed blacks or the washed out blacks, any of the two can be due to the wrong grey scale levels.
post #143 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

Wait . . . are we still talking about Webby's nanny?

ha..I missed that one. I wish! I have a smoking hot nanny...
post #144 of 2036
Have RS-10 owners been able to get satisfactory color without too much effort?

Reading the RS-20 threads about difficulty in using the CMS system scares me a bit, as well as reviewers saying that no matter how much you try you cannot get accurate colors from the RS-10.

Do less expensive LCD projectors (e.g. epson UB models) produce more accurate color with less calibration? Or are the purchasers of the JVC's just more demanding & critical?
post #145 of 2036
I am posting this from my new RS10! WOW! Coming from a Z2, this is absolutely amazing! After getting it ceiling mounted (using a Wood Technology mount) I put it in "Cinema 2" with the iris on 1 (closed) and the lamp on normal. It looks fabulous! The black are so freaking black, I only see black bars when I'm looking for them. With the Z2 the black bars always annoyed me. The higher resolution and contrast is flooring! I tried out Transformers in 1080p and it is soo beautiful! I have Wall-E and Kung Fu Panda lined up this weekend. Purposefully have not seen them yet.

I read somewhere that setting the gamma to 2.2 is good for the RS10. I am off to research how to do this!

Jason Turk, would you be willing to post your typical RS10 settings? That would be fantastic! Otherwise all I can do is run through my Avia DVD, which I doubt will be as good as your specific advice for this PJ. If you can just get me in the ballpark I will be stoked!

Maybe I should mention I am in a completely black room. Also my RS10 is ceiling mounted and I am using a Da-Lite HiPower retroreflective screen. The screen is a long story, but I won't be able to replace it soon. What is amazing is the blacks are so nice even on this high gain screen.
post #146 of 2036
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Originally Posted by NaTeDoGG View Post

Maybe I should mention I am in a completely black room. Also my RS10 is ceiling mounted and I am using a Da-Lite HiPower retroreflective screen. The screen is a long story, but I won't be able to replace it soon. What is amazing is the blacks are so nice even on this high gain screen.

NaReDoGG:

Please tell us what size screen you have in that Hi-Power (specify diagonal or width). So the black level remains excellent with it? Great ! Can you share more? Congrats !
post #147 of 2036
It is 100" x 56.25", a model C pulldown. Yes the black level is amazing, but remember I'm coming from a very old projector. I will have a friend come over who has an RS1 and a greyhawk and see what he thinks. I'll post some pictures soon!
post #148 of 2036
Excellent...thanks.
post #149 of 2036
Anyone coming from a Sony VW100 or VW60 to the RS10? Would like to hear as I plan to get my RS10 in about a week. I'm upgrading from the Sony VW100...
post #150 of 2036
I've played around with the settings some more and here are my favorite settings so far. Would be interested to see what others with the RS10 think of these. I still need to learn about Gray Scale calibration, but these settings produce an outstanding picture.

Picture Mode: Cinema 1, Contrast 0, Brightness 0, Color -10, Tint -3, Color 6500K, Gamma 2.4, Sharpness 40, Detail Enhancement 20

Any comments are welcome.
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