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post #211 of 2015
12/27/08 at 1:41am
I live in Gabon, Africa (Survivor's Last Eden's Earth)...

My 125" Grey Screen is at 200 ft from the Panasonic PT-AE2000 Projector.

I would like to change because I bought a PS3 and 100 blu-ray.

I would like to pay about $3000 and I hesitate between these 2 Projectors.

Could I find the JVC at about $3000?
It is for ship to florida and then I will bring it in Africa.

Any advice?

thank you and sorry for my bad English...

Chris
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post #212 of 2015
12/27/08 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by synefil View Post

I live in Gabon, Africa (Survivor's Last Eden's Earth)...

My 125" Grey Screen is at 200 ft from the Panasonic PT-AE2000 Projector.

I would like to change because I bought a PS3 and 100 blu-ray.

I would like to pay about $3000 and I hesitate between these 2 Projectors.

Could I find the JVC at about $3000?
It is for ship to florida and then I will bring it in Africa.

Any advice?

thank you and sorry for my bad English...

Chris

You wont get the new jvc for that price.
However a used rs1 would be lower.
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post #213 of 2015
12/27/08 at 8:32am
I didn't see this question mentioned yet. Sorry if it's been covered and I overlooked it. My question is in regards to the offset lens. Did anyone have to relocate their ceiling mount due to the offset? I have had a VW60 and RS2 and both had a centered lens. Just checking to see if I can get by with leaving my ceiling bracket where it is.
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post #214 of 2015
12/27/08 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by rlhjr34 View Post

I didn't see this question mentioned yet. Sorry if it's been covered and I overlooked it. My question is in regards to the offset lens. Did anyone have to relocate their ceiling mount due to the offset? I have had a VW60 and RS2 and both had a centered lens. Just checking to see if I can get by with leaving my ceiling bracket where it is.

If you were centered before you can use the lens shift.
I have a universal mount with spider legs so I adjusted that so it favored the left of the projector boday and I was preety on point being centered again.

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Lee, how much of an effect did the gamma tweak have on the blacks and in providing a 3D effect?

Im not sure if there is a 3d effect but it seemed to add a bit of depth to the dark end after i gave it more brightness (0 now instead of -6before it) while getting the lens to setting 2 instead of 1. I guess it gave a wee bit more dynamic range.
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post #215 of 2015
12/27/08 at 10:10am
I thought about lens shift, but I wasn't sure if the lens shift option would then screw up my Panamorph lens. I guess it wouldn't. I could move the projector mount if I had to. It would be a bit of a PITA though.
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post #216 of 2015
12/29/08 at 11:10am
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Here are a few more screen shots...these are with the settings I mentioned before on a 1.3 gain white screen.












Dont mind the test pattern...it was the background on my HTPC But not bad pincushion on a 2.0TR


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post #217 of 2015
12/29/08 at 1:09pm
For those of you who had an RS1 previously, how much better is the RS10 as far as the overdone greens and orangish complexions is the RS10, and is this with Jason's calibration or your own adjustments?

Thanks
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post #218 of 2015
12/29/08 at 1:10pm
^^^^^^^^^^^
Nice photo's Lee.

You have a beautiful home theater.
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post #219 of 2015
12/29/08 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

For those of you who had an RS1 previously, how much better is the RS10 as far as the overdone greens and orangish complexions is the RS10, and is this with Jason's calibration or your own adjustments?

Thanks

I had an rs1 and the colors seem to tame easier on this one to me. BUT I could be 100% wrong! When I lowered the color setting and boosted the color temp I was quite happy...even if not the correct way of going about it.

Jason didnt work on my unit.

I just made myself laugh...

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Originally Posted by Zip3kx07 View Post

^^^^^^^^^^^
Nice photo's Lee.

You have a beautiful home theater.


thanks! it looks better in the photo My friend is a pro phototgrapher...
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post #220 of 2015
12/29/08 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

thanks! it looks better in the photo My friend is a pro phototgrapher...

It does look nice. You didn't move next door to Dover, did you?
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post #221 of 2015
12/29/08 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

Yep and the white seemed to move all 4 up with it...
How does that setting look to you?


Sorry been travelling and have not responded back--also not watched the projector nearly enough. It is hard to say how much it helped but believe it was a fair amount. I was watching Pirates of the Caribbean (v3) on blu ray and the picture was excellent.
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post #222 of 2015
12/29/08 at 7:37pm
W3bbY,

Inferring from the fact you stated your screen is a 1.3 gain, is your screen a Stewart ST-130 screen?

How big is it? And how do you find the brightness of the JVC projector on your screen?
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post #223 of 2015
12/29/08 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

W3bbY,

Inferring from the fact you stated your screen is a 1.3 gain, is your screen a Stewart ST-130 screen?

How big is it? And how do you find the brightness of the JVC projector on your screen?

No it a diy wilsonart lamimate screen. I had a st130.
I had the laminate and the st130 in the room at the same time and it was insane how close the image was...same brightness, colors even same "sparklies".

How big is it? that a bit personal!!!
120width so 125 diag. The 16:9 is abput 100 diag. Its pleant bright that I can choke it down and get it darker.

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It does look nice. You didn't move next door to Dover, did you?

Thanks I have dont a lot of work to the room in the last year!
Did you get an rs20?
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post #224 of 2015
12/29/08 at 8:15pm
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No it a diy wilsonart lamimate screen. I had a st130.
I had the laminate and the st130 in the room at the same time and it was insane how close the image was...same brightness, colors even same "sparklies".

Two more questions then, if you don't mind:

1. Why did you switch from a Stewart screen to a DIY screen? You wanted a bigger screen, I'm guessing?

2. Did you find either your DIY screen or the Stewart screen problematic in terms of "sparklies" on the image? (And did you have the later, "G3" version of the ST-130, or the earlier version?).

Thanks. I'm leaning toward the ST-130 screen myself.
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post #225 of 2015
12/29/08 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

Thanks I have dont a lot of work to the room in the last year!
Did you get an rs20?

I did indeedy. It arrived today. I plan to begin setting it up in within the hour. That will be followed by a hopefully not too long process of deciding on the right screen for it, installing the screen, and building a total bat cave around it, all with little DIY experience. First thing I want to check tonight is if the vertical lens shift works. There was another report of a bad one today, I'll certainly need vertical lens shift if I go with the Silverstar, since it likes a ceiling mount. I'll probably go with a high gain screen, a Silverstar or a large High Power.

I'd be happy to bring it over someday if you'd like to see how it looks in your setup.
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post #226 of 2015
12/29/08 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Two more questions then, if you don't mind:

1. Why did you switch from a Stewart screen to a DIY screen? You wanted a bigger screen, I'm guessing?

2. Did you find either your DIY screen or the Stewart screen problematic in terms of "sparklies" on the image? (And did you have the later, "G3" version of the ST-130, or the earlier version?).

Thanks. I'm leaning toward the ST-130 screen myself.

I wanted to go scope and decided to give the DIY a shot. If it didnt work out I can/could alwas buy a screen I am happy...other than a few issues that are because of my install (not the material).
I didnt have the g3. The original st130 was a bit annoying (if I looked for it) at times on bright bright areas/scenes as I could see the sparlies. My diy is similar but a wee bit less.
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post #227 of 2015
12/29/08 at 8:42pm
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I did indeedy. It arrived today. I plan to begin setting it up in within the hour. That will be followed by a hopefully not too long process of deciding on the right screen for it, installing the screen, and building a total bat cave around it, all with little DIY experience. First thing I want to check tonight is if the vertical lens shift works. There was another report of a bad one today, I'll certainly need vertical lens shift if I go with the Silverstar, since it likes a ceiling mount. I'll probably go with a high gain screen, a Silverstar or a large High Power.

I'd be happy to bring it over someday if you'd like to see how it looks in your setup.

Congrats!
We should definetly do a rs10/20 mini shootout sometime!
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post #228 of 2015
12/30/08 at 7:58am
To me those screen shots look lifeless and dull do that anamorphic lens decrease the light output 20% or more or have you set the lamp in normal mode, or perhaps the camera is at fault - just ny observation from a fello HD-350 owner my screenshots are posted in the screenshots thread...
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post #229 of 2015
12/30/08 at 9:43am
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To me those screen shots look lifeless and dull do that anamorphic lens decrease the light output 20% or more or have you set the lamp in normal mode, or perhaps the camera is at fault - just ny observation from a fello HD-350 owner my screenshots are posted in the screenshots thread...

The anamorphic lens doesnt decrease light output. (Guess I was wrong here) It does...
Yes I am in normal mode.
Do these look " lifeless and dull"?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post15275271
They are with oversaturated colors.


Oh and I looked at yours bro and they are a bit grainy and washed out with an oversaturation...
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/S6001151.jpg
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/S6001151.jpg
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/S6001151.jpg
...so I guess it comes down to what someone is looking for in an image.
I want nice blacks and shadow details in it combined with enough brightness (not too much) and a little color pop but not too much. If you look at mine I think I got that
BUT remember!!! A screenshot is never really acurate. I got damn close to what I see in the room.

Look at my helicopter shot then look here at a g90 stack with perfect colors and tell me if Its close?? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post12166818)
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post #230 of 2015
12/30/08 at 9:50am
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The anamorphic lens doesnt decrease light output.

It does, but not compared to the same size 2.35:1 image without a lens.
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post #231 of 2015
12/30/08 at 10:01am
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It does, but not compared to the same size 2.35:1 image without a lens.

I see! Ok my bad...but is it by 20%? And regardless...I calibratred it off what was coming through the lens. So my brightness, lens aperture and lamp mode were all chosen to work with the lens in place.
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post #232 of 2015
12/30/08 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by W3bbY View Post

The anamorphic lens doesnt decrease light output. (Guess I was wrong here) It does...
Yes I am in normal mode.
Do these look " lifeless and dull"?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post15275271
They are with oversaturated colors.


Oh and I looked at yours bro and they are a bit grainy and washed out with an oversaturation...
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/S6001151.jpg
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/S6001151.jpg
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...1/S6001151.jpg
...so I guess its what someone is looking for in an image.
I want nice blacks and shadow details in it combined with enough brightness and a little color pop but not too much. If you look at mine I think I got that
BUT remember!!! A screenshot is never really acurate. I got damn close to what I see in the room.

Look at my helecopter shot then look here at a g90 stack witrh perfect colors and tell me if Its close?? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post12166818)

I make no excuses for my screenshots with my poor quality camera but when i compare this SERENITY http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=935620&page=4
with the 1 i posted http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...935620&page=11 i know which 1 i would prefere...Getting a new camera soon so will repost to show what i see the above horse shots less grain+natural color
You must like a more subduded look myself brighter...
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post #233 of 2015
12/30/08 at 11:08am
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I make no excuses for my screenshots with my poor quality camera but when i compare this SERENITY http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=935620&page=4
with the 1 i posted http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...935620&page=11 i know which 1 i would prefere...Getting a new camera soon so will repost to show what i see the above horse shots less grain+natural color
You must like a more subduded look myself brighter...

Its plenty bright in the room...I did choke it to get the black levels up while maintaining enough brightness.

PS what are your settings? and screen is a 1.8 gain, yes?
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post #234 of 2015
12/30/08 at 11:20am
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Its plenty bright in the room...I did choke it to get the black levels up while maintaining enough brightness.

PS what are your settings? and screen is a 1.8 gain, yes?

What did you think of that Serenity comparison?

Screen Greywolf 2 1.8gain
lamp high iris 3
contrast +10
brightness -6
color -6
sharpness 80
enhancement 25 all others full NR etc etc
colors i will have to look but will not be same for you gains green around -15 blue same red -20ish
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post #235 of 2015
12/30/08 at 11:32am
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What did you think of that Serenity comparison?

Screen Greywolf 2 1.8gain
lamp high iris 3
contrast +10
brightness -6
color -6
sharpness 80
enhancement 25 all others full NR etc etc
colors i will have to look but will not be same for you gains green around -15 blue same red -20ish

Ya you like it BRIGHT huh? I can see the high sharpness and high lamp in the artifacts in your screenshots!

and about serenity...
you are compairing it to art's INSANE theater with SIM 2 HT 5000 3 Chip DLP Projector
ISCO III Anamorphic Lens and top of the line video processing and complete light control....its a different league. He had calibrators in, has HT meets at his crib...he is what we wish for...
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post #236 of 2015
12/30/08 at 11:48am
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Ya you like it BRIGHT huh? I can see the high sharpness and high lamp in the artifacts in your screenshots!

and about serenity...
you are compairing it to art's INSANE theater with SIM 2 HT 5000 3 Chip DLP Projector
ISCO III Anamorphic Lens and top of the line video processing and complete light control....its a different league. He had calibrators in, has HT meets at his crib...he is what we wish for...


Tint -3
Gamma 2.4 adjusted lower end

I see no interference atifacts on my screen here now i have it paused on that bond horse shot i took, try it yourself maybe my new camera will take it correctly??
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post #237 of 2015
12/30/08 at 2:01pm
Anyone know a solid calibration tech in the NY/NJ area or someone that tours in this area. I'm hoping to get my RS10 calibrated shortly after it arrives.
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post #238 of 2015
12/30/08 at 2:14pm
"To me those screen shots look lifeless and dull do that anamorphic lens decrease the light output 20% or more"

They *increase* light output by 20% (25% more panel area less ~5% losses) by using the light wasted in the unused black bars.

If you use a horizontal expansion lens and let the image expand by 25%, you'll have about a 5% reduction in brightness.
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post #239 of 2015
12/30/08 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

"To me those screen shots look lifeless and dull do that anamorphic lens decrease the light output 20% or more"

They *increase* light output by 20% (25% more panel area less ~5% losses) by using the light wasted in the unused black bars.

If you use a horizontal expansion lens and let the image expand by 25%, you'll have about a 5% reduction in brightness.

Using the full panel doesn't make the picture brighter, it stays the same. The reduction of brightness introducing the anamorphic lens is much greater than 5%.
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post #240 of 2015
12/30/08 at 2:25pm
Take a look at this 720p pic not 1080p clouds above mountains not visable nor colors quite right camera did its best....

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