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post #241 of 2036
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Anyone know a solid calibration tech in the NY/NJ area or someone that tours in this area. I'm hoping to get my RS10 calibrated shortly after it arrives.

http://www.lionav.com/services.php

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586330
post #242 of 2036
"Using the full panel doesn't make the picture brighter, it stays the same."

Each pixel can reflect"x" amount of light.

If 3/4 of the panel reflects 3/4 of the available light, then 100% reflects 4/4 of it.
post #243 of 2036
Noah,

I know that using the full panel manages to lessen the brightness loss compared to the zoom method, but the minute you stick the lens in front of the projector making the picture 33% wider, that is what you loose in brightness on the screen.
post #244 of 2036
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

Noah,

I know that using the full panel manages to lessen the brightness loss compared to the zoom method, but the minute you stick the lens in front of the projector making the picture 33% wider, that is what you loose in brightness on the screen.

But the point is comparing the light out-put of projector making a 2:35:1 image with and without an anamorphic lens, is it not?

As I understand it while there is some reduction of light when you put an A-lens in the path, it is more than made up for by the added brightness of using the full projector panel, hence a net gain in light output for a 2:35:1 image when using a lens/processing vs strictly zooming.
post #245 of 2036
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Originally Posted by lungan71 View Post

Is there any way to adjust the iris presets in the service menu?

Bumping my question from a couple of weeks back. Does anyone know if it is possible?
post #246 of 2036
"I know that using the full panel manages to lessen the brightness loss compared to the zoom method, but the minute you stick the lens in front of the projector making the picture 33% wider, that is what you loose in brightness on the screen."

As Rich alluded to, you're confusing brightness (lumens/screen area) with light output.
post #247 of 2036
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

But the point is comparing the light out-put of projector making a 2:35:1 image with and without an anamorphic lens, is it not?

As I understand it while there is some reduction of light when you put an A-lens in the path, it is more than made up for by the added brightness of using the full projector panel, hence a net gain in light output for a 2:35:1 image when using a lens/processing vs strictly zooming.

Both are an issue, ideally you want a constant ftl regardless of aspect ratio. Unless you can use a manual iris option to compensate, a 2.35:1 image is much duller han a 16:9 image even if an anamorphic lens is used.
post #248 of 2036
"Unless you can use a manual iris option to compensate, a 2.35:1 image is much duller han a 16:9 image even if an anamorphic lens is used."

Depends on the screen size and lens.

It will be 20% brighter with a vertical compression lens and constant width.
post #249 of 2036
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Originally Posted by Zip3kx07 View Post

bowlbyd,

Nice review update, thanks for posting.

If you still keep finding yourself adjusting settings for each component you may want to consider getting a DVDO Edge. The Edge will let you calibrate and save your settings for each input or source, so your DVD player, PS3, and cable box can all be individually calibrated to the RS10. The Edge will also convert all signals to 1080P 60.

Little help from anyone would be appreciated. I recently purchased the DVDO Edge device and if I plug my HDMI cable directly from the PS3 into the RS10, the RS10 picks it up as 1080P/24 and 12 bit true color. When I go through the EDGE device, it sees the input as 1080P/24 but outputs to the projector at 1080i60 8 bit color using auto settings (it is supposed to pick the best format for your display device). I can force it to 1080P/24, but then it uses that setting for everything, unless you change it...which is a pain. I have called their tech support and are looking into it, but I was wondering if anyone else experienced the same thing or if it came through the EDGE to the projector correctly at 1080P/24 12 bit color?

Thanks in advance!

PS: I did download the latest firmware.
post #250 of 2036
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Originally Posted by bowlbyd View Post

Little help from anyone would be appreciated. I recently purchased the DVDO Edge device and if I plug my HDMI cable directly from the PS3 into the RS10, the RS10 picks it up as 1080P/24 and 12 bit true color. When I go through the EDGE device, it sees the input as 1080P/24 but outputs to the projector at 1080i60 8 bit color using auto settings (it is supposed to pick the best format for your display device). I can force it to 1080P/24, but then it uses that setting for everything, unless you change it...which is a pain. I have called their tech support and are looking into it, but I was wondering if anyone else experienced the same thing or if it came through the EDGE to the projector correctly at 1080P/24 12 bit color?

Thanks in advance!

PS: I did download the latest firmware.

Bowlbyd sorry to hear your having problems with the EDGE, but I don't think it's the EDGE that's giving you problems but the RS10. The EDGE uses your HDMI's EDID information to detect your displays resolution and refresh rate and then matches it automatically. RS20 owners have been having HDMI handshaking problems and what sounds like wrong EDID information being transmitted. It now sounds like the RS10 is have these same problems. The RS20 firmware fix request thread can be found here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1100236, the HDMI problem is #7 on the list.

I'm curious, why not manually set the EDGE to output 1080p 60 for everything?

If you output in different resolutions then the RS10 would be doing the scaling and not the EDGE.
post #251 of 2036
Many thanks for the quick reply. As you state the 1080P choice for everything is not a bad idea at all, I just thought that 1080P/24 was supposed to look better if the disc was mastered that way, but to be honest I can't say I can really tell the difference. Unfortunately I still have the other problem of it not sending the 12bit color. One thing that does make me wonder though is that the PS3 also "handshakes" with the projector to determine optimal output and it sends 1080P/24 to the projector thinking it is "optimal".

Also, I have never owned a JVC projector before, does it even have the ability to update it's firmware?

Thanks again, I will see what EDGE says and
post #252 of 2036
For anyone that is interested, I was not pleased with the EDGE device and will be sending it back. 1080i connections from my DISH satellite receiver were "soft" at 1080P and 1080i but I was able to get it to send 1080P/24 finally through my PS3 correctly (Need to turn on 1 to 1 frame rate), but it still would not resolve 12 bit color. I tried another route, which was to put it through a new receiver with built in HDMI switching and it looks exceptional, so I am sticking with that solution...more expensive, but now I have a receiver with the latest greatest sound formats. Receiver is a Yamaha RXV 1900.
post #253 of 2036
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Originally Posted by bowlbyd View Post

For anyone that is interested, I was not pleased with the EDGE device and will be sending it back. 1080i connections from my DISH satellite receiver were "soft" at 1080P and 1080i but I was able to get it to send 1080P/24 finally through my PS3 correctly (Need to turn on 1 to 1 frame rate), but it still would not resolve 12 bit color. I tried another route, which was to put it through a new receiver with built in HDMI switching and it looks exceptional, so I am sticking with that solution...more expensive, but now I have a receiver with the latest greatest sound formats. Receiver is a Yamaha RXV 1900.

Bowlbyd, did you try playing with the sharpness and edge enhancement setting for the input your satellite box was on? One of the selling factors to me is that each input on the EDGE can have a different calibration. If your cable/satellite was too soft I would think you could adjust for that on the EDGE.

Glad you you got the 60hz/24 worked out, but I have no clue why your only getting 8bit? Best thing I would say is to call DVDO and ask them. If it's a known problem they may have a bata firmware you can try.
post #254 of 2036
Since this thread has slowed down a little I'm hoping someone can take the time to answer my question.

Has anyone upgraded from a Sony projector such as the VW100 or VW60 to the RS10? Although I've already ordered my RS10 and expecting delivery by the weekend. I'm trying to set my expectations. Any feedback is appreciated.
post #255 of 2036
Any body has on/off contrast ratio of this projector? The only numbers I saw were for a pre-production unit on Cine4home.
post #256 of 2036
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

Any body has on/off contrast ratio of this projector? The only numbers I saw were for a pre-production unit on Cine4home.

Jason measured the RS10 in Mode 1 with 16,000:1 and 968 Lumens, & in mode 3 33,000:1 contrast with just under 400 Lumens. I don't recall where I read it but someone said they measured 22,000:1 contrast in mode 2.
post #257 of 2036
Thanks for those numbers. Very impressive. With that in mind, I think it's pretty funny how used RS2's are still trying to be sold for $4k. You can get a brand new RS-10 from AVS for less, and get more performance as well.

I think people loose track of what money can buy in the next generation of products.
post #258 of 2036
Hi, what settings do you guys have on your JVC 350?

Contrast?
Brightness?
Color?
Mode?
Gamma?
post #259 of 2036
adidino..replaced my vpl-100 w an rs20...big improvement in everything...do it!!
post #260 of 2036
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Originally Posted by samalmoe View Post

adidino..replaced my vpl-100 w an rs20...big improvement in everything...do it!!

RS20 though eh? I went with the RS10.. what do you think?
post #261 of 2036
i think they're pretty much the same, no?
post #262 of 2036
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Originally Posted by samalmoe View Post

i think they're pretty much the same, no?

More or less I guess... slightly better contrast on the RS20.. HS10 is brighter. The RS20's biggest advantage is the color management system which the HS10 lacks.
post #263 of 2036
While it does have the color system, I don't think it helps with the over saturation problem...which is more than acceptable given all the other strengths of the projector.
post #264 of 2036
The color management system on the RS20 will let you dial down the saturation. But, you need calibration equipment or an ISF tech with the proper equipment to do the calibration right. The RS20 does also have a THX mode that is very good and much closer to looking natural, but some feel it's on the yellow side a little.

The RS20 does have a higher contrast rating 50,000:1 compared to the RS10's 33:000:1. To really see the contrast difference of the RS20 you really need a fully light controlled room, if your room has white walls and ceiling that you can't paint a dark color you may want to consider the RS10 because your not going to see all the performance the RS20 is capable of. IMO the RS20 is the better projector of the two but the RS10 is the better value.
post #265 of 2036
I don't think I have seen that particular scenario commented on here but could have missed it. I moved from a good RS1 to an equally good or even better converged & sharply focussed RS2 for the reported increase from most reports of enhanced 3D appearance and sharpness of images from the RS2. And I agree, it was worth the move. I do miss the extra brightness once past the 1st 100 or so hours of the RS1.

Now with the much increased brightness of the RS10 and similar contrast performance to the RS2, PLUS reports of the new lens being considerably more sharp, I'm again contemplating a similar move. Some of the reported bugs have me nervous, but I so much want additional lumens, and even sharper imaging if that comes as well, I may take the risk.

Can anyone that has owned both the RS2 and seen or now owns an RS10 comment if the image on the RS10 at mid iris (necessary for me to have the increased lumens) has the same or more quality of depth to the image? I run my RS2 on high lamp and it is set up probably a little past midway toward the wide angle side of the lens throw. My room has blackout capability but the imaging is typically run with low, directed ambient light away from a Hi Power screen. The overall effect in this particular space is much better for what I want than total blackout. Additional lumens and sharpness would ROCK for me. My RS2 though, has excellent edge to edge focus and very good but not perfect convergence. 3D effect is very good for me at the moment, especially on a brand new lamp.

Thanks very much
post #266 of 2036
I seem to be having vertical lens shift problem as well. Horizontal moves just fine, but no movement on vertical.
Just to confirm - this is a "typical" problem that requires a replacement, rather than a setting or lock-switch or something like that?
Thanks.


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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

Wow, it seems like another unit with broken vertical lens shift. I have seen a few posts over at the AV forum with the same issue. Also my dealer when he did the QC for my first unit ran into the same issue. He ended up getting a replacement unit from JVC. I would let your dealer handle the exchange. My dealer has been extremely well to work with (Thanks Russell!). He also seems to be well connected to the JVC folks.
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Axel
post #267 of 2036
Can anyone point me to who is selling RS10 in avsforum?
post #268 of 2036
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Originally Posted by rjyap View Post

Can anyone point me to who is selling RS10 in avsforum?

http://www.avscience.com/
post #269 of 2036
post #270 of 2036
Could someone please send me a pm about street price for this unit. Im in Canada as well, seems weird, but its proving difficult to find anything on this in Canada. A local dealer will contact me today about how much it will cost to order one in for me, I would like to know current street price to give me some kind of reference.
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