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From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread (where a lot more in-depth articles/analysis can be read):

TV Notes
For Jay Leno, Same Network, New Time Slot
By Bill Carter, The New York Times - December 9, 2008

NBC will keep Jay Leno five nights a week, but in prime time, competing not with David Letterman, but with shows like “CSI: Miami.”

The network will announce Tuesday that Mr. Leno’s new show will appear at 10 o’clock each weeknight in a format similar to “The Tonight Show,” which he has hosted since 1993.

Five years ago NBC announced that it would hand the job of host of that franchise show to Conan O’Brien in May 2009. Since then the network has maneuvered to try to keep Mr. Leno, who continues to be the late-night ratings leader, fearing that he could leave and start a new late-night show on a competitor. “The Tonight Show” is seen at 11:35 weeknights.

Mr. Leno, 58, was known to have suitors, including ABC, the Fox network and the Sony television studio. But he was apparently persuaded to stay at NBC after aggressive personal wooing by Jeff Zucker, the chief executive of NBC Universal, a unit of General Electric.

Retaining Mr. Leno will undoubtedly be seen as a coup for Mr. Zucker, who has faced some serious questions about the wisdom of guaranteeing “The Tonight Show” to Mr. O’Brien and possibly losing Mr. Leno to another network.

Details of Mr. Leno’s agreement and the new show were provided by NBC executives who were briefed on the matter and who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the project until the network made its announcement.

The new show, which will begin next fall, is expected to be set in Mr. Leno’s longtime studio in Burbank, Calif. Mr. Leno is expected to retain many of the most popular elements of his “Tonight Show,” including his monologue and bits like “Headlines” and “Jay Walking.”

Mr. O’Brien will move “The Tonight Show” to a new studio on the NBC Universal lot in Universal City, Calif., in May. Mr. Leno, who is known to want to work as much as possible, would then miss only three months on the air, and would use that time to prepare his new show.

An executive involved in the discussions with Mr. Leno said that Mr. Leno finally came around to the idea that the television business had changed and a show like his could be a success in prime time.

Running the same show in prime time five nights a week would be a novelty for a broadcast network. Such so-called stripped shows have been a staple of daytime broadcasting.

The offer of a weeknight prime-time show is one that Mr. Zucker has favored for some time. In 2002, when David Letterman, Mr. Leno’s competitor at CBS, was contemplating whether to renew his contract, Mr. Zucker offered him a show at 8 o’clock weeknights. He turned it down.

Executives involved in the decision said Monday that because ratings have decreased and cost factors are becoming more critical, NBC could reap an enormous financial benefit from this move.

Though Mr. Leno will command an enormous salary, probably more than $30 million a year, the cost of his show will be a fraction of what a network pays for dramas at 10 p.m. Those average about $3 million an episode. That adds up to $15 million a week to fill the 10 p.m. hour. Mr. Leno’s show is expected to cost less than $2 million a week.

In addition, NBC will get more weeks of original programming. Network dramas typically make 22 to 24 episodes a year. Under this deal, the executives involved in the discussions said, Mr. Leno will perform 46 weeks a year.

That differential in cost will probably be enough for NBC to absorb any decrease in ratings from its current slate of dramas. Mr. Leno has averaged about 4.8 million viewers for his show this year, with a rating of 1.3, or 1.7 million people, in the important category of viewers ages 18 to 49, which most advertisers favor.

But few shows now at 10 p.m. could be considered hits. They include “CSI: Miami,” and “CSI: New York” on CBS and “Law & Order SVU” and “E.R.” on NBC. “E.R.” is about the leave the air. “SVU” will probably move to 9 p.m. next fall.

There have been no new hits at 10 p.m. on any network in almost four years, and the ratings for shows in that time slot continue to fall.

That does not mean that neither the network nor Mr. Leno has no risk in the move. Mr. Leno’s shows tend to fare best in their first half hour; if they were to decline too much in the second half hour, NBC’s affiliated stations would see their news shows adversely affected. And there may be some question about whether Mr. Leno’s show at 10 might diminish the stature of Mr. O’Brien’s “Tonight Show” at 11:35.

But Peter Lassally, the longtime late-night producer of shows starring Johnny Carson, Mr. Letterman and now Craig Ferguson, said that NBC came to Mr. Carson in the late 1980s with a similar idea, but that Mr. Carson turned it down.

“It’s all different now,” Mr. Lassally said. “The economic factors have changed so much it makes complete sense for NBC to try this.”

On Monday Mr. Zucker suggested at a news conference in New York that in the future networks might have to cut back the hours of prime-time programming. The program with Mr. Leno would effectively cut the number of hours NBC needed to fill each week from 22 to 17.

Mr. Leno had no comment. NBC executives also declined to comment.

The network is expected to announce the new deal with Mr. Leno in Los Angeles on Tuesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/bu...09leno.html?hp
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Jay Leno Taking Over 10 P.M. On NBC

Jeff Zucker keeps Leno and O'Brien with Leno strip

By Ben Grossman -- Broadcasting & Cable

In a surprise move, Jay Leno is taking over the 10 p.m. slot on weeknights on the network.

The move is a huge coup for NBC Universal chief Jeff Zucker, who has long said he wanted to keep both Leno and his replacement, Conan O’Brien, in the NBC family.

The move would be a cost-effective manner in which to essentially cut down the amount of hours it must program with fare from the entertainment division. Jeff Zucker foreshadowed the move at a UBS media conference Monday, saying that NBC has to look at options including programming less primetime hours.

It would be a much-needed victory for struggling NBC in the wake of a massive round of layoffs and a re-organization of the entire way the network and studio are structured as the network continues to languish in fourth place.

The move would also bring to an end a potentially messy transition in the coming year that had industry speculation centered on Leno potentially moving to ABC, which would set up a three-way brawl for the dwindling late-night dollars between Leno, O’Brien and CBS’s David Letterman.

Leno’s start date is undecided, but expected to be by next fall.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...a37d99bf187003

Just after NBC talked about changing their broadcast style. Leno's show rules out a two-hour network prime time. But I have to wonder about the "not a full seven day" week.
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I have no complaints with the HD broadcast quality of either show in the southern CA area. On some nights, the stitching on either man's suit is visible, and whenever a makeup artist is having an off evening it's readily apparent in guests or host. However, NBC claiming this is somehow a victory is a bit much, since what they're essentially doing is moving their programming one hour forward. Wow. Genius move...

I'm sure whoever figured all this out is considered a great mind, and I'm sure they're smart enough to know it's a sham so they're crying into a suitcase full of money... Leno used to be fabulous and he's always come across as a nice guy, and O'Brien can be very entertaining too, so I have no doubt they'll do well -- or at least as well as they're doing now. It's NBC's press on the matter (at least as reported here) that I find less than amusing - aren't the viewers assumed to be smarter than that?
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It's NBC's press on the matter (at least as reported here) that I find less than amusing - aren't the viewers assumed to be smarter than that?

No, as a matter of fact, the exact opposite.
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The biggest losers in all of this mess are Conan O'Brien (with Jimmy Fallon a distant recipient of the waves) and late night talk shows in general. Will there be an appetitie for three late night comedy shows ("Tonight," "Late Night" and "Last Call") now that a similar show will air 90 minutes earlier? And that's just one network, NBC. Conan was poised to become that network's signature star and now he'll play second fiddle to the network's newest (and well established) primetime star. Unless Leno reworks his format into a hybrid involving news, variety and God-knows-what (besides stand-up and skits) most people will tune out at 11:30PM or DVR it (along with "Stewart" and "Colbert"), driving Conan's ratings further down.

If I were Conan O'Brien I'd be seriously looking at my options. Better to be a big fish in a smaller pond (ABC, Fox, etc.) than second-fiddle to Leno. Letterman walked away from his burning desire to get "The Tonight Show" when he realized it wasn't Carson's show anymore but 'The Jay Leno' show he'd be inheriting. Now that Leno will be doing the national comedy hour at 10PM nationally (and 9PM Central!) the value of "Tonight" as a franchise is seriously diminished. All of this, of course, assuming Leno's primetime ratings are sustainable over an extended period of years. And then of course there's the 'what if?' when Leno wants to retire five, ten or more years from now. But that requires long-term thinking and planning, something Zucker and Silverman have proven to not be equipped to handle.
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So leno at 10. Conan at 1135 and Fallon at 1235, still followed by Carson?
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Yep, you got it. Daly is on so late that nobody at NBC even knows he's there. Ask him how he's going to like being the FOURTH back-to-back comedy talk show to air on the same network weeknights at 1:35AM.
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No, as a matter of fact, the exact opposite.

Flattering of them.

In any case, nothing is DVR-proof and nothing is remote-zapping-proof. Both viewing styles are here to stay. I hope Leno's show is funny and entertaining, and I'm sure he'll do his best. I'll be happy if O'Brien keeps his current "setup" and the elements of his current show, simply because they work IMO and it'd be one less hour people that do want to watch him in (semi-)real time would have to wait.
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Yep, you got it. Daly is on so late that nobody at NBC even knows he's there. Ask him how he's going to like being the FOURTH back-to-back comedy talk show to air on the same network weeknights at 1:35AM.

I personally feel bad for carson. I think he is very talented. They pass him up for meet the press and conans old show, and TRL goes off the air. Besides the once a year New years show, he has nothing. I dont think many, if any watch carson at 135.
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The biggest losers in all of this mess are Conan O'Brien (with Jimmy Fallon a distant recipient of the waves) and late night talk shows in general. Will there be an appetitie for three late night comedy shows ("Tonight," "Late Night" and "Last Call") now that a similar show will air 90 minutes earlier? And that's just one network, NBC. Conan was poised to become that network's signature star and now he'll play second fiddle to the network's newest (and well established) primetime star. Unless Leno reworks his format into a hybrid involving news, variety and God-knows-what (besides stand-up and skits) most people will tune out at 11:30PM or DVR it (along with "Stewart" and "Colbert"), driving Conan's ratings further down.

If I were Conan O'Brien I'd be seriously looking at my options. Better to be a big fish in a smaller pond (ABC, Fox, etc.) than second-fiddle to Leno. Letterman walked away from his burning desire to get "The Tonight Show" when he realized it wasn't Carson's show anymore but 'The Jay Leno' show he'd be inheriting. Now that Leno will be doing the national comedy hour at 10PM nationally (and 9PM Central!) the value of "Tonight" as a franchise is seriously diminished. All of this, of course, assuming Leno's primetime ratings are sustainable over an extended period of years. And then of course there's the 'what if?' when Leno wants to retire five, ten or more years from now. But that requires long-term thinking and planning, something Zucker and Silverman have proven to not be equipped to handle.

Eh, I think you're overreaching here. NBC wanted to launch a primetime variety show. Now they've got one, and they're going to test it five nights a week. But if you thought Leno was dry and boring at 11:30, he'll be even more so after he tones down yet again for the 10pm hour. What'll be interesting is whether they now use Jay to boost all of their holiday specials (Rockefeller tree lighting, Macy's Parade, Fourth of July) and other similar events.

The reality is there used to be a lot more talk during the day, and it's been replaced by local news and courtroom nonsense. What is there, really, besides the late night crew? Ellen and Oprah, and Oprah's days are winding down. Everything else is off the radar or more in the self-help genre (Dr. Phil).

Conan will be fine, and Leno's show will probably help him keep his comparative "edginess" more in tact. NBC affiliates will be praying that Leno pulls down the ratings at 10pm he did in late night, as that could be a huge boon to many of the affiliates who are crumbling now that NBC's 10pm prowess has evaporated.

I really don't think this affects Carson Daly at all. His show certainly doesn't appeal to the same audience and doesn't even really carry the same form. The only person getting screwed here is Jimmy Fallon, and probably because NBC realizes they made a horrible choice to fill the Late Night slot.

Personally, I think Carson Daly has grown pretty well into his Last Call show in the last year. He's a bit funnier, and he seems to do better with the Kimmel model (playing a bunch of Youtube clips in lieu of writing comedy), and that's probably sustainable in the 12:30 slot. If Jimmy Fallon doesn't work out (and he won't), NBC should consider bumping him up to 12:35.

BTW, Jimmy Kimmel is jumping for joy right now.
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I forgot another big winner out of this NBC decision: ABC's "Nightline." The show was considered all but dead when it became obvious ABC was making a big play for Jay's post-"Tonight" services. Leno and Kimmel became frequent guests on each other's show over the past year (wonder if this will continue now) and the writing seemed to be on the wall for "Nightline's" demise. Not so anymore, so let's start broadcasting "Nightline" in 100% high-def ABC. No more excuses (or funny-looking wings)!

It just dawned on me that a large amount of Leno's guests on his current NBC show are actors/guest stars plugging their latest projects/appearances airing on 10PM network shows. Will 'The Jay Leno Show' (TM), for example, feature an interview with "Eleventh Hour" star Rufus Sewell on the same day/night both shows are airing at the same time? Will "Numb3rs" star Rob Morrow show up to plug his show on NBC while being opposite it? Even if the guests are scheduled to not compete against their own shows, they'd still be appearing on an NBC show that's essentially trying to take viewers away from their own show. It's different sitting on Jay's couch when he's on at 11:30PM, but at 10:00PM? He's the competition now! How freaking awkward this dynamic of a talk show fueled by star appearances competing against some of those stars' 10PM TV shows will be! Regardless, 10PM shows like "Without A Trace" and "CSI: New York" will benefit from having NBC's "Law & Order" shows (particularly "SVU," a demo magnet that bitch-slaps "WAT" in the golden 18-49 ratings) suddenly replaced by a talk/comedy show that will be considered a hit if it averages 6+ million viewers (versus the 8-11 million the "L&O" were pulling).
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I think the real question is will "Eleventh Hour" still be on in the fall of 2009?

But seriously...What about NBC's displaced programming? Sure ER is going away and Monday and Friday's programming future is up in the air, but what about Law & Order and SVU? First off, would SVU make it a 9pm(8 central) with its subject matter?
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With a smaller programming slate, I'm betting NBC has the freedom to axe the original L&O, especially if they continue to re-air CI eps from USA.

And the sad reality is, NBC isn't displacing much of anything. If you take NBC's current schedule:

Monday: Chuck, Heroes
Tuesday: Biggest Loser, SVU
Wednesday: Knight Rider (probably cancelled), Life, L&O (probably cancelled)
Thursday: Earl, Kath & Kim (probably cancelled), Office, 30 Rock
Friday: Totally Barren
Saturday: Totally Barren
Sunday: Totally Barren January - July

And what's in waiting? Medium, new series Kings, America's Got Talent, Deal or No Deal, The Apprentice, Last Comic Standing, and Dateline. A lot of their reality shows are overly bloated at two hours. Just imagine how poor the ratings are going to be for two-hour Apprentice this February. Putting Jay on five nights a week would allow them to drop them down to more manageable one-hour episodes, perhaps allowing NBC to squeeze even more episodes out of them.

And just imagine, with another talk show, NBC can promote two more of its shows and stars as guests on Jay's show, in prime time no less, every day. And, Jay's show doesn't go on summer hiatus. From a profit standpoint (and probably even from the ratings standpoint of a fourth place network), this is win-win-win for NBC.
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With a smaller programming slate, I'm betting NBC has the freedom to axe the original L&O, especially if they continue to re-air CI eps from USA.

And the sad reality is, NBC isn't displacing much of anything. If you take NBC's current schedule:

Monday: Chuck, Heroes
Tuesday: Biggest Loser, SVU
Wednesday: Knight Rider (probably cancelled), Life, L&O (probably cancelled)
Thursday: Earl, Kath & Kim (probably cancelled), Office, 30 Rock
Friday: Totally Barren
Saturday: Totally Barren
Sunday: Totally Barren January - July


And what's in waiting? Medium, new series Kings, America's Got Talent, Deal or No Deal, The Apprentice, Last Comic Standing, and Dateline. A lot of their reality shows are overly bloated at two hours. Just imagine how poor the ratings are going to be for two-hour Apprentice this February. Putting Jay on five nights a week would allow them to drop them down to more manageable one-hour episodes, perhaps allowing NBC to squeeze even more episodes out of them.

And just imagine, with another talk show, NBC can promote two more of its shows and stars as guests on Jay's show, in prime time no less, every day. And, Jay's show doesn't go on summer hiatus. From a profit standpoint (and probably even from the ratings standpoint of a fourth place network), this is win-win-win for NBC.

Monday: Chuck(if it makes it 1 more season), Heroes
Tuesday: Biggest Loser, SVU
Wednesday: Deal Or No Deal, Medium
Thursday: Earl, Office, Office spin-off(TBA), 30 Rock
Friday: Deal or no Deal, Dateline
Saturday: the day NBC goes off air if they adopt a 6-day program schedule
Sunday: NFL, Jan-August: some crummy movie or repeats.

As for the "totally barren", when you look at actual shows, NBC has three(maybe even four or more if others are canned) nights with nothing. Wow, even the CW is in better shape than this. Say hello to new #5, NBC!!!
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With a smaller programming slate, I'm betting NBC has the freedom to axe the original L&O, especially if they continue to re-air CI eps from USA.

And the sad reality is, NBC isn't displacing much of anything. If you take NBC's current schedule:

Monday: Chuck, Heroes
Tuesday: Biggest Loser, SVU
Wednesday: Knight Rider (probably cancelled), Life, L&O (probably cancelled)
Thursday: Earl, Kath & Kim (probably cancelled), Office, 30 Rock
Friday: Totally Barren
Saturday: Totally Barren
Sunday: Totally Barren January - July

I haven't heard about that last one before. Is it one of the new reality shows? What's the premise? Is it about elderly women trying to conceive, or something similar to that? Just curious.

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My hunch is this portends the end of network TV. Ratings keep falling, cable shows are prospering and grabbing all the gold, 90% of new networks shows fail, the writing is on the wall.

NBC really has noting to loose. At this point they have one. perhaps two viable 10 PM shows. This Leno crap will cost next to nothing to produce, and even if it garners mediocre ratings it will still be a success.
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From Multichannel News

Mary McNamara, TV Crush

Quote:


The NBC Universal mess inspires poetry:

POPE AND WEINBERG ARE GONE.
BUT THE JEFF & BEN SHOW GOES ON?
FOR THIS WRECK OF A TRAIN,
I SHOUT THIS REFRAIN:
“PUT A FORK IN THE PEACOCK, IT’S DONE!”

Comment by Poetknowit — December 7, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

(Found in the comment section of Nikki Finke's blog, Deadline Hollywood Daily.)
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I never cared for Jay though I assume this move will make it easier for NBC to renew Heroes.

Although earlier shows this season were just OK this show is kicking butt again.
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"Running the same show in prime time five nights a week would be a novelty for a broadcast network."

My Network TV tried it. With two shows at once.

I don't know if the primetime audience wants to watch the same show every night. It will be interesting to see if Leno's ratings are consistent since the competition will vary from night to night.
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My Network TV tried it. With two shows at once.

I don't know if the primetime audience wants to watch the same show every night. It will be interesting to see if Leno's ratings are consistent since the competition will vary from night to night.

I for one think this is a necessary, but brilliant move by NBC. After sampling yet another recycled network attempt at the crime drama genre, the 10 o'clock viewer has somewhere to default to when he/she loses interest in a predictably lame who dunnit.
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as long as they keep chuck, Life and Law and Order; ill be fine.
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A certain group of media outlets are losing their shirts. It would be a good thing, if it would force them to stop being the way that led to their problems. But they are likely in denial about the reasons for their struggles.
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Does anyone think they will put Jay Leno back at 11:30 if Conan "bombs"? I would be very nervous if I were Conan.
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I haven't heard about that last one before. Is it one of the new reality shows? What's the premise? Is it about elderly women trying to conceive, or something similar to that? Just curious.

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you laugh, but didn't nbc or cbs put on a show about fertility doctors? i think it was called Inconceivable.

I watch chuch, office, and medium on nbc. I think they're safe. maybe.

sad. I remember when nbc was #1 and could do no wrong. now they've resigned to being a netlet. basically, they're saying we know network TV is dying; why not help it along?
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I didn't like his show at 11:30, Why should I like it now?

Give me some quality, not dumbed down/cheap out reality/talk TV.
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I didn't like his show at 11:30, Why should I like it now?

Give me some quality, not dumbed down/cheap out reality/talk TV.

Heh, heh, heh ... well at least this frees up another 45 minutes of prime-time ... My DVR would like to thank NBC for the vacation.
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I think one problem the networks face is reflected by my memories of last night's Leno show: I enjoyed the monologue and watched a great deal of the show. I have no idea who advertised and cannot name a single "Tonight Show" sponsor. I have no clue. If DVRing doesn't do the trick, zapping does.

Kimmel's approach, in which sponsors are mentioned by the host specifically during the programme, does have an air of nostalgia to it (very "1950s B&W TV" style, I almost expect him to pull out some Chesterfields etc.) but it's also very kitsch and ultimately it didn't work either -- although I initially remembered what kitsch product was showcased in the built-in ad, I now also have no idea etc.

I don't fault NBC on a financial basis. They have to feed the monkey and saving millions per episode by not paying for a series production (keep in mind, guests on talk shows are paid scale and that economy really ads up over time) makes sense. Good luck to everyone, I'll keep an eye out for the show.
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I've never been a Leno watcher. I appreciate what he's done professionally, and can't argue with what he's built, and understand why NBC wants to rely on him (he's kept the Tonight Show top-rated even as he was basically being pushed out the door).

The deal makes $-sense for NBC, if not programming sense, but they've screwed that network up so badly they have little choice - particularly in the face of the Economic Downturn.

That said...at times I get the idea NBC couldn't run a two-car parade if someone else got the cars in position and started.
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