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post #31 of 171
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Neat idea, using the sub as a table/armrest
post #32 of 171
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Neat idea, using the sub as a table/armrest


exactly and the idea came as 5 sofas cannot fit on the width of the room. This is why the End max table must be 24~25" wide
post #33 of 171
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Smoke90,
I was looking at this more and it occurred to me that you want to mount the plate amp on the back of the box, that won't work. The back of the box is part of the port you can't put an amp in there. The box will probably have better LF response facing the wall anyway. You will need to find a place for the amp. An EP2500 may fit under a section of the sofa, but you will need to take precaution against dust bunnies

http://www.afwonline.com/ic280frm.as...NE-BROWN/LINEN
post #34 of 171
Yes i undestand your point about the plat amp inside.
as far as the direction you mean I should have the speaker facing the wall?
How far?
post #35 of 171
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Well generally a sub gets more room gain when facing a wall or corner, and facing outward would put it >3' from one so generally speaking yes it will give you more low-end facing the wall. YMMV but I'd give it ~3" from the surround to the wall.
post #36 of 171
sorry but what means YMMV?
I may able to turn it 180 facing the wall but the max I can go will be 1'.
so it will face the room and be 22' from the next wall.
as far as the behringer can it be mounted vertically and hide behind the subs???
post #37 of 171
google is your friend.... for forum talk...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=YMMV
post #38 of 171
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Originally Posted by smoke90 View Post

sorry but what means YMMV?
I may able to turn it 180 facing the wall but the max I can go will be 1'.
so it will face the room and be 22' from the next wall.
as far as the behringer can it be mounted vertically and hide behind the subs???

YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary = Your Luck

The front and rear of the EP2500 need clearance for airflow.
I dunno how well it would do mounted this way as it was not designed for this.

Sorry, I meant 3" clearance minimum from the surround to the wall. Sorry for the confusion.
post #39 of 171
"Specs:
Port 3-2.5" x 7" total area >8" ID port "

I'm trying to understand how to calculate a the dimensions for a slotted port. Does this mean that the surface area of the slotted port is equivalent to the surface area of an ID 8" port (of what length)? Can someone please show a simple comparative example of a round port eg. 6 inch inner diameter x 10 in length port is equivalent to what dimensioned slotted port and how you come up with these dimensions. Thanks so much.

Darren
post #40 of 171
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this is very simple:
2.5" x 7" = 17.5²" x 3= 52.5²"

for round ports it's 2(Ï€ d) <<<<<<<[it is hard to find a font where the pi symbol stands out]

2 (3.1415926535897932384626433832795 x 8") = 50.265482457436691815402294132472"²


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Dan...

Area of a circle is pi*R^2 or pi*D^2/4; your formula is twice the circumference, 2*pi*D. You got the right answer only because 2*D = (D/2)^2 if D=8.

This may be a contributor to Dian's confusion...

Frank

Tanks Frank
post #41 of 171
I guess, I still am looking for more clarification. Dan, I don't quite follow. Perhaps I can learn by making a calculation below. Can someone please tell me if this is correct and if not please tell me how to do it correctly:

Bottom slot port inner area: 22.5 x 36 x 2.5=2025 cu in
Back slot port inner area: 22.5x 20 x 2.5=1125 cu in
Top slot port area22.5x24.5x2.5=1531.25 cu in
Total area with slat supports not subtracted=4681.25 cu in

Based on this slot port volume the equivalent volume in an 8 in diam port would give a port length of about 9.65 inches.

Therefore if I were building a cylindrical ported sub with the same volume as this sub, I would use an 8 in diam x 9.65 inch port and the tuning should be about the same.
post #42 of 171
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Um, no
an 8" x 9.65" cylinder has a volume of ~485.1"³

Note:
You can not successfully replicate the tuning of this box with a straight tubular port. The bends, their radius's, and port dividers all impart there own resistive properties that affect the final acoustical mass and it's dampening.


You are also getting the concept of area(²) and volume(³) mixed up BTW
post #43 of 171
"You can not successfully replicate the tuning of this box with a straight tubular port. The bends, their radius's, and port dividers all impart there own resistive properties that affect the final acoustical mass and it's dampening."

Sorry, I got it wrong the first time. I'm just trying to understand. 1. So, it is surface area that is calculated and totaled. 2. If one can not successfully replicate the tubular port to slot port tuning, how is it done? Is there a formula or a plug in calculator that one can use? The reason I ask is firstly to understand how to do it, secondly, to adapt your design to a different driver (AV15H), that I'm sure will necessitate some dimensional changes.

Thanks for the help.
post #44 of 171
This May be a stupid question but does anyone have a litst of drivers that would work well with this enclosure. I love the look of a slotted port. I have heard awesome things about the Mal-X. Would this be a good driver? Anyone started this project and have some pics?
post #45 of 171
After not getting a clear answer or at least not understanding the answers because of my lack of knowledge, I kept looking around for some sort of clearer explanation/info on the subject. I believe I found something. For those interested, I think this web page answers the question I tried asking in different ways. Basically how to calculate the slot port dimension.

http://www.diysubwoofers.org/misc/portcal.htm

Thanks for trying to help me.
post #46 of 171
has the tuning been verified yet? great job with the design dan
post #47 of 171
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Not yet
post #48 of 171
Dan,

I found a way to pull speakers wire without tearing the brand new wall down.
so I will be able to use the ep2500 and the Mael-X
I am planning to have the top covered with a granit.
Any thing against it? In this case I will glue the granit with silicone to be sure it won't vibrate.
In this case I can make the top corner square?
as far as the MIC 2200 do I really need it?
what about the use of the LFE bass out and choose the cross over at 60,80hz,90 or even 100hz
post #49 of 171
Quote:
Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

this is very simple:
2.5" x 7" = 17.5²" x 3= 52.5²"

for round ports it's 2(pi d) <<<<<<<[it is hard to find a font where the pi symbol stands out]

2 (3.1415926535897932384626433832795 x 8") = 50.265482457436691815402294132472"²

Dan...

Area of a circle is pi*R^2 or pi*D^2/4; your formula is twice the circumference, 2*pi*D. You got the right answer only because 2*D = (D/2)^2 if D=8.

This may be a contributor to Dian's confusion...

Frank
post #50 of 171
Thread Starter 
Thanks Frank
post #51 of 171
Dan,

I found different dimension:

the Back should be 26" 1/2 not 27 " 1/2
the IB1 should be 21" 3/4 x 22" 1/2 and not 23" 3/4
P1 should be 22" 1/2 x 33"1/2 and not 21" 1/2
am I correct?

also as I will do a granit on top I will not do round over for the outside but just for the inside and the port as requested.
then the BOTTOM, BACK, FRONT, and TOP will be 24" wide. I will still do a small round over like 1/4"

I am planning to go and buy the MFD tomorow
post #52 of 171
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Smoke,
you win a cookie. Thanks for letting me know. It's sad that I missed it, but at over 2300 views someone else should have caught this by now. I'll update the cut sheet drawing.
post #53 of 171
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OK it's fixed, anyone care to double check?

I also adjusted the driver cutout center to reflect the drawing

Don't forget to do a to update the pics
post #54 of 171
Dan,

You still have P1 at 21 1/2 it should be 22 1/2
and The back and front are shown 27 1/2 it should be 26 1/2

about the round over of the port can I do it with a 3/4"
my router won't take a so big bit.
post #55 of 171
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Um,
I already answered those questions
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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

OK it's fixed,... Don't forget to do a to update the pics

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Originally Posted by NEO Dan View Post

Smoke,
I would not do this without the 1.25" round over.

What router do you have?
post #56 of 171
you should have been kidding me.
I went close it and re-opened it and one was fixed but not the other one. And now they are all fixed!!! I think you just don't want to give me a second cookie

For the router it is a porter cable 690 1 1/2 HP.
I will check tomorow morning but I don't think it will accept 1 1/2" bit

BTW the MDF is home. I read somewhere that people use wood glue. I was thinking to use liquid nail and screw, which in my opinion should handle the vibration much better
post #57 of 171
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Yea yea, I am stingy with the cookies. That shift+refresh will get you every time. Better luck next time

Well I have a porter 890 IIRC, so if the base plate holes are the same I'll lend you the bit and the plate. Otherwise you could order a plate from Rockler, the plexi plates are not too expensive.


Looks like you may be in luck, I found this on Rockler:
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2) Submitted by Mark Noll, from Clearwater, FL on 5/4/2008

Customer Rating:
I recently purchased a Porter Cable 892 router. The base has a large diameter opening, so if you have one and want to use template bushings, you'll need one of these. The hole pattern is the same as the 690, so it is a perfect fit.

As for the glue, basically the cleaner/ straighter your cuts are the less likely you are to need a construction adhesive. PVA wood glue is OK, I use gorilla or ultimate glue because it will expand to fill gaps and it can cure QUICK if you wipe the joints with a wet sponge before you apply the glue.
post #58 of 171
as far as the behringer ep 2500 will the ep 1500 be fine.
I am not planning to run two subs and will only have one with the Mael-X

the ep 1500 is still 1400W RMS on one channel
post #59 of 171
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Originally Posted by smoke90 View Post

as far as the behringer ep 2500 will the ep 1500 be fine.
I am not planning to run two subs and will only have one with the Mael-X

the ep 1500 is still 1400W RMS on one channel

Um..... NO
the EP1500 is not going to cut it, it is not 1400 watts.
post #60 of 171
Hi Dan,
I have a question in regards to amp placement.
With your detailed cut sheets, i am confused if you had planed to mount the amp in this box or if secondary placement is advised.
I have been following your series (very awesome i may say), and you don't hear it enough, YOUR THE MAN!
Thanks for all the help through these posts!

p.s. you and the other builders should post completed pics of there subs! I bet they look fantastic!

Thanks,
John
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