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Ambrosio's Unaplex II: Room within a Room Build

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If you don't want to read all my rants, here's the money shots:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post20006659

Updated 2/14/2011
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Here begins the tale of Ambrosio's Unaplex II...

Yes, this is my second theater build. My first build was in a single level ranch with the biggest room becoming my dedicated theater. Unfortunately, when the HT wasn't being used, the house became very small. Also at the time of my build, my budget did not allow for any real sound isolation. At first my wife could tolerate my movie parties but when I added two large 18" DIY subs behind the AT screen, I must admit, it was pretty loud and rattled the entire house. My neighbor said I actually rattled a picture frame off HER wall.

So, we sold the house and now I have a full basement. My wife has given up rights to the right half (and portion of the left) of the basement for my "man cave". The only stipulation was that she had to have unfettered access to the laundry room and storage rooms in the back of the basement. You see, in the last house, I killed the pantry, hall closet and the family room. So her request was not unreasonable to me. The basement was completely finished before I got my grubby paws on it.

Here is my current vision:
**Note**: This layout is not current. Look below for a more current layout or click here.




Note that the red walls and hot water heater are to be removed. The blue walls, hot water heater, and separate HVAC are to be added. The yellow circles are my lolicolumns.

If that's too much color, here's the same layout with just the finished "blue" items: Ambrosio's Unaplex 2 layout

I have made initial contact with BPape and he will be on board to hopefully stop me from making any major snafus. I am planning a room within a room with the theater's new ceiling joists nestled in between the current joists. I am going with 3 layers of 5/8" DW with GG. I plan on building an IB chamber ala Cathan and the walls will be finished with fabric frames ala GPowers. I already have my dricore but I cannot put it down until I convert my finished basement into an unfinished basement.

Here's what the room looked like prior to me picking up a hammer and pry bar:
The walls with X's on them is the bedroom wall that will be removed. The IB chamber and AT screen will be back here. The room does look a bit long in the layout and can be adjusted somewhat by making the IB chamber bigger if necessary.

The door by the CO detector is the only entrance to the back rooms and I will be sealing it off as it is on the left wall of the theater not far from where the screen will be.

To make this happen, the water heater in the laundry/sump room was moved near the mechanical room and a new door is to go directly from the lobby/arcade to the laundry room and other back rooms.

To my surprise, here's what I found when I removed the paneling to make way for the new door:


Looks like I'm not the only one who thought a door should go there...

One more before shot:


This is the future lobby/arcade. The back closets will be removed and note the "blue" doorway by the popcorn machine. That is roughly where the new entrance will go. That 200amp electrical panel you see on the closet wall is now gone...thanks Dad! It's not the original panel either. The house was built in '65 and had 100A service. The original box is in the room under the stairs which is just a couple of feet to the left of the panel. It is currently just a junction box and was fed by the new 200A panel. Why they didn't put the new panel in the room under the stairs is beyond me. There was plenty of room to do so. Fortunately, when they removed the old 100A aerial service to the house and installed 200A underground service they spent a few extra bucks and installed a 200A breaker below the power company's meter so we could disconnect the house from the grid and move the 200A panel back under the stairs. This allows me to take the rest of that closet wall out and the driving Xbox 360 cabinet that is mostly finished can be located closer to the wall. The driving cabinet is a blast and will provide stress relief to me when I get burnt out from theater planning/building. If you look close, my previous theater's HTPC is sticking out the front of the cabinet...and do you see the cat6 cable going to it? Yep, that driving cabinet is also a personal hi-def (.mkv files stored on a Unraid server) theater... Yes, I have my own "Drive In Theater" complete with DD/DTS 5.1 surround. A little sub sits behind the 2005 Neon seat.



And here is the room as of now looking toward the IB chamber:

You can see my old sub boxes standing upright behind the 2x4 wall. I killed myself getting these things down the basement (no walkout) and now I am just going to pitch them in favor of an IB chamber...it's Cathan's fault! If anyone near Evansville IN wants them, they're yours...
post #2 of 224
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Here's a rough diagram of my current HVAC trunks and runs. The runs are all metal and will need to be converted to flex. I am thinking of installing a totally separate unit for the theater to help with sound isolation...and comfort.



-Tom A.
post #3 of 224
Great pics, explanation, and drawings! Looks like fun. Can't wait to see more!
post #4 of 224
What was our society thinking when we decided to apply fake wood panelling to all our basements?

Looks like a good project. Have you considered your seating yet? 12'4" will limit you some with recliner seating. My room is about the same width and could only fit 3 across with about 2.5 foot walkway. Good luck.
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What was our society thinking when we decided to apply fake wood panelling to all our basements?

Actually ours is real birch or at least that is what is stamped on the back. My 72 yr old father in law was horrified that I was going to "throw away all that beautiful paneling".

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Originally Posted by mbgonzomd View Post

Looks like a good project. Have you considered your seating yet? 12'4" will limit you some with recliner seating. My room is about the same width and could only fit 3 across with about 2.5 foot walkway. Good luck.

Well, I was considering 3 rows of 3 real theater rockers but I think the compromises are about to begin. We all know that when you start a project you have a "perfect vision" of what things should be like. In my other house the HT room was wide enough but not as deep as I would have liked. With this house I have half of a full basement to work with so in my sick little mind I had an infinite amount of space to work with so I wanted 3 rows of seats. Unfortunately, width and height may come into play. Several folks mentioned that my room's excessive length may give me some sound issues and that's why I am here...to learn. I also am working with Bryan Pape and he shot me a brief email saying we need to talk about seating and length so I'm sure you will see a revised plan in a couple of days. I am trying to get the basics nailed down, while gutting the "flat birch trees" off the walls and get the dricore down before Jan 9th because my dad will be coming from out of state to help me get the walls up and hopefully some drywall. It sure would be nice to know exactly where the walls will be going.

-Tom A.
post #6 of 224
Damn.

I could have put my shiny new FUBAR to use in your place.
post #7 of 224
Bpape is a good place to start. He gave me some good advice with my build.
post #8 of 224
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Originally Posted by mbgonzomd View Post

Bpape is a good place to start. He gave me some good advice with my build.

Yes, I spent an hour on the phone with him tonite and he gave me some good ideas. It's now official, I have an "acoustic guy".

Now let me use it in a sentence....My "acoustic guy" has convinced me that my original plan for a 26' room with 3 rows of seats was not going to work well with my width limited room. There will be changes coming...

MB, do you have a link to your build?

-Tom A.
post #9 of 224
Yep, click on the link in my signature.
post #10 of 224
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Yep, click on the link in my signature.

Wow...I knew I was tired last nite after bpape through all that information at me over the phone but I still don't know how I didn't see your link in your sig.

When it's all said and done, my room size will probably be similar to yours. I am tagging your thread as one that I want to read.

-Tom A.
post #11 of 224
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Well this weekend was not a very good week for room deconstruction. I was loading up the Redneck Ranger (see post below) Friday nite and I was getting very, very weak so I went to bed early. I woke up in the night with the shivers and my wife said I was burning up. So, the room was put on hold and I pretty much slept all weekend. I did manage to make it to the dump but that was it.

-Tom A.
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Some people track how much money they spend on their room. Some track trips to HD/Lowes. I'm gonna track pounds taken to the dump....er Sanitary Landfill...

To kick things off, I am starting a contest. Below you will find a picture of "The Redneck Ranger" all loaded up to go to the dump. Since my "Sanitary Landfill" uses a scale to determine how much to charge, I know exactly how much was dumped each time I go.

One and only one "Major Award" will be given to the poster who comes closest to the weight loaded up on the Redneck Ranger in the photo below. The Major Award will be given on Dec. 22nd (just in time for Christmas) and may be delivered to you personally in the back of the Redneck Ranger...

Good Luck!



There are no tricks here. There are not 3 tons of lead hidden under the wood you can see. The contents of the Redneck Ranger are typical of basement remodels including wood paneling (using the most exquisite exotic veneers possible), drywall and 2x4s. Nothing more, nothing less.

On a side note, I bought the Redneck Ranger a few years back while living in my previous house with the intention of using it to haul sand and gravel for a large brick patio I built and sell it after I was done. It ran so good (much better than it looks!) I decided to keep it. Glad I did!

-Tom A.
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722 lbs!
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657 lbs
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535 pounds
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I'll take a guess 578.

Gotta love those small pickups for things just like this.
post #17 of 224
723 pounds
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723 pounds



lol
post #19 of 224
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I'd like to tell you who is in the lead but that would not be fair, so you guys will just have to wait.

-Tom A.
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Originally Posted by In2Photos View Post



lol

...this isn't the Price Is Right. You can go over the "retail" amount and not be disqualified. The winning bid will be the closest to the actual weight, whether it is higher or lower than the actual weight.

-Tom A.
post #21 of 224
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It's official...the compromises have begun...

Here's the new smaller room:



It would have been nice to have the longer room to have 3 rows of 3 chairs but due to width and height constraints I will go with 2 rows of 3 instead.

In addition to the smaller theater area you will notice the IB chamber got bigger :devil: as well as the soundlock area. The soundlock area will be a bit funny shaped due to the fact that I want to enclose that lollicolumn (yellow circle) within the wall structure. I think the funky nook may be a good place to put my equipment rack, no?

Also, bpape suggested that I move the communicating doors to the soundlock entrance instead of by the theater entrance which at first seemed counter intuitive but actually does make sense so that's what I will do. Also, since I was planning on temporarily removing the bathroom vanity and closet to add 2 more layers of drywall to the existing layer, I will now put the closet on the other side of the vanity and seal off the current bathroom door and replace it with a new door that connects directly to the lobby/arcade area. This will keep the laundry/sump pump room off limits to guests. The vanity drain pipe currently runs through the wall where the new door will go so that will have to be relocated to the wall where the current door is. This will create a bit of extra work but I think it will be worth it in the end. I plan on having a bathroom sign on the new door and a "Employees Only" sign for the door that leads to the laundry room.

Yesterday I removed several 6" flex lines that supplied the half of the basement that the theater will occupy. I capped the ends and now I need to start working on removing all the metal 6" lines that feed the main floor and replace them with flex. Bpape suggested that no tin should be above the theater area even though there will be 3 layers of drywall.

-Tom A.
post #22 of 224
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Well folks, it's time to announce the winner of the "Major Award" for guessing the weight in the back of the Redneck Ranger.

First off, I want to thank everyone for participating. Having said that, I want you guys to know that you hurt the Redneck Ranger's feelings because he can carry much more than you guys think. I guess he'll get over it.

And the winner(s) are: SteveMo and In2Photos. Technically SteveMo won but in the holiday spirit I feel 2 winners are in order since their weights were only 1 pound apart. The actual retail weight in the back of the Redneck Ranger was 1100 pounds...

And as promised, the Redneck Ranger will deliver this Major Award to both SteveMo and In2Photos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mjru...eature=related

Thanks for participating and Merry Christmas!

-Tom A.
post #23 of 224
Tom, Remind me again what ceiling attachment you're doing? New floating joists or clips?

Is the Sound Lock room isolated as well? Xtra drywall, etc?

Are you treating the outside foundation walls?
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Tom, Remind me again what ceiling attachment you're doing? New floating joists or clips?

New floating joists....2x8's 16OC. New walls will be 2x4's 24"OC

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Is the Sound Lock room isolated as well? Xtra drywall, etc?

Yes, basically a long new room will be built with new walls and ceiling and then I will subdivide the soundlock room as well as the IB chamber from the theater room.

All 3 "rooms" will get 3 layers of 5/8" drywall with GG. The drywall is being unloaded as we speak.

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Are you treating the outside foundation walls?

The foundation walls currently have blue foam and I planned on leaving that up. The IB chamber walls currently have R13 and I planned on leaving that up.

-Tom A.
post #25 of 224
Thanks for that, Tom,

Floating ceiling is best possible route.

So the outer walls next to the foundation will be framed also and drywalled?

If the doors on either side of the Sound Lock are heavy solid core and sealed tight, you could eliminate the communicating door pair next to the Lobby / Arcade. Just go with 1 door there.

The very large air cavity of that Sound Lock will absorb quite a bit. It's a great thing, indeed.
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So the outer walls next to the foundation will be framed also and drywalled?

Not drywalled. Part of the foundation blocks have 2x2's affixed to the block with blue board in between. I planned on leaving that up. Part of the block wall (mostly where the IB will be) has 2x4 walls with R13 insulation (old bedroom). I plan on leaving the back and one side wall alone but the one side I plan on taking down to recapture 2 inches of space (match up with existing 2x2 wall). I could either put blue board on that wall (directly on blocks) I take down or perhaps liquid nail the R13 back to the block. Would this be good or bad? The interior walls (not block) will all be double walled. My thinking was the block was one wall so I could add just one wall next to the block walls with the non-block walls getting two separate walls.

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If the doors on either side of the Sound Lock are heavy solid core and sealed tight, you could eliminate the communicating door pair next to the Lobby / Arcade. Just go with 1 door there.

They are solid core and I plan on adding mdf to beef them up more. I am going to use (5) 4" hinges per door to support the added weight. I already have the door slabs so I may as well use the communicating doors. I can always take one down later if it seems to do nothing.

-Tom A.
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Does / will the ceiling drywall run all the way to the foundation? I'm wondering how you're going to put a complete lid on this room. How does the ceiling drywall end near the foundation?
post #28 of 224
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Here's a picture of the custom door slabs I ordered from Lowes. I had them only route one side of each door because I will be adding mdf to the slab to beef the door up more. I plan on using (5) 4" spring loaded hinges on each slab. I also had Lowes not cut a hole for a door knob as I will be using a push plate/pull handle on each door. The idea is that the doors cannot accidentally be left open. You will go through the door and it will close itself. If the spring loaded hinges are not enough to do the job, I will buy commercial swing arms or whatever they are called. Lowes was supposed to make the doors 1 7/8" thick but they made them the standard 1 3/8" thick. No real problem since I will be adding mdf anyway.

While I like 4 or 6 panel interior doors for the rest of the house, I was pleased with this design as it just says "theater" to me:



-Tom A.
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Does / will the ceiling drywall run all the way to the foundation? I'm wondering how you're going to put a complete lid on this room. How does the ceiling drywall end near the foundation?

It will be a room within a room so the 3 layers of ceiling drywall will be attached to the new 2x8 ceiling joists that will be nestled in between the current basement joists (resting on the new walls). The new walls will be about 1" away from the current walls (whether they be block or stick) and therefore the new ceiling will not go quite to the foundation.

-Tom A.
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Here's a before and now picture of the future theater space:

BEFORE:



What makes this funny, is that my wife saw this and said it looked like a scene from the bridge of Star Trek when the Enterprise was about to be destroyed. She is right on! The hanging 6" flex has been removed and the supply lines capped as the theater will have all new flex.

It's hard to see in this photo but in the ceiling joists there were 4 all metal 6" supply lines to the house above. All these lines were going to be above the new ceiling but I decided to replace them with flex. I didn't want to use the old flex so I bought new shiny flex...look in the "now" picture below. You can also see 1 stack (of 3) of dricore - at the bottom right of the photo with the pliers on top - that still needs to go down.

NOW:



Both of these photos were taken from the sound lock wall looking toward the IB chamber at the far end of the basement.

-Tom A.
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