Originally Posted by zinfamous
I don't think the majority of these plans were meant to be taken so literally. I can't fathom Gordon willingly pretending to be shot, or the Joker willingly devise this elaborate scheme to get himself caught. It's silly....and unforgivable.
What's perfectly acceptable, is understanding that these characters are formidable opponents of one another. I see no reason why one can't accept that having been shot, Gordon then develops this strategy to go after the Joker. Dent wasn't a part of it at all, as seems clear. His putting himself in that position was a spur of the moment announcement at the press conference. I think Gordon uses this behind the scenes as the opportunity they're looking for.
Likewise, the Joker has contingencies. yeah, Gordon comes to some realization that this was his scheme all along, but it's just as logical to think that the Joker has his escape planned before he gets captured--in case he's captured. The other kidnappings don't rely on his being in jail to work to their full effect. He could just as easily phone in the plot. ...But that's not cinematic. The story works better when he's in jail. It's not forced; but it's no less logical to accept that these people are working with what they get than it is to assume these elaborate plots were conceived and initiated successfully, concurrently with opposing schemes, and completely dependent on each individual aspect working out perfectly. Remember, both Gordon/Dent's scheme to capture the Joker would depend completely on the Joker's scheme to be caught and escape not only working, but, well, existing. This would assume each party knew of the other's plot....now, really...isn't that a bit ridiculous?
I have no idea at what point the faked death of Gordon was planned. They knew it was likely that an attempt would be made against the Mayor's life, and Gordon was right up there with him. Maybe it was planned at that point, or maybe after he was carted off. But, why make him the driver of the transport vehicle later? Is Gordon the most skilled driver on the Gotham police force? Maybe he was the only one that could be trusted? But, with his identity disguised, wouldn't some of the other officers be suspicious? How would the "mystery driver" be explained to those guys?
Or was it just to make the audience think that the driver could be one of the Joker's henchmen?
That whole sequence doesn't make any sense to me. We figure that both sides had a plan to trap the other, but I can't imagine what those plans might have been. That includes the guy that the Joker planted the bomb inside of. Was he actually the contingency plan? That would depend on so many things going right - the guy had to live, be taken to the station with him, not kept in the same cell with him, not taken to the hospital when he complained of a stomach ache, nobody noticing the scars until it was too late, being able to make the phone call at just the right time, etc.
Going back to the beginning of the film, the Joker has planned out another complex set of events to rob a bank. It almost looks like he will meet his end, when by surprise, a bus crashed through the wall at the exact time and place required to eliminate his would-be killer. This is how contrived most of the film's plotting came off to me.
Take all the Joker's plans and the dependencies required to make them work, and it leads one to believe that the Joker is either: A) A total mastermind that has virtually every eventuality planned for and can adapt those complex plans almost instantly; or B) He's just really, really lucky. Neither one make for a very believable or interesting villain or storyline.