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post #61 of 194
1/7/09 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by John H View Post

I have been using tactile transducers for over 10 years.

I started out with an array of 8 RBH FX-80's. (ultra high performance Aura units)
I used these for about a year and replaced the array with a pair of Clark Synthesis TST 329 Gold models and then stepped up to their TST 429 Platinums. I used these for about a year as well.
For a brief period I installed four Crowsen Tech TES-100's when they were released.

When I moved on to the Original ButtKickers I started driving each pair with Carvin DCM-1000 amps bridged mono. This was before the release of the BK amplifier.
I couldn't handle the fan noise so I picked up a pair of convection cooled Crown K2's and have been using them to drive my BK's ever since.

At one point I have driven a single Buttkicker with a bridged K2 (2500 W bridged mono into 4 ohms) and they always stayed cool to the touch. I have never had one bottom out. I have also used subharmonic synthesizers on their signal.

The original ButtKickers outperform all the models I have used in the past and I have never had a problem with any unit.
I used the BK's in conjunction with a pair of Velodyne HGS18's. I now use a pair of Epik Conquests in my theater with the BK's.

I don't have experience with the ButtKicker LFE yet. I have had one for over six months and haven't hooked it up. I have some Berkline theater recliners on the way and will be testing it inside one with the BK conversion kit.

John

Original BK sitting next to the BK LFE.


Hey John is that just a piece of plywood your couch is sitting on? Do you have rubber isolation feet under that? That seems like a quick and painless application to couple individual recliners. Also what kind of subharmonic synthesizer?
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post #62 of 194
1/7/09 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

Hey John is that just a piece of plywood your couch is sitting on? Do you have rubber isolation feet under that? That seems like a quick and painless application to couple individual recliners. Also what kind of subharmonic synthesizer?

Yes that is a 3/4" piece of plywood. I have isolation feet attached. It is temporary. Right now I have the 4' x4' x 3/4" platform resting on two 4' strips of auralex platfoam rails.

John





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post #63 of 194
1/7/09 at 9:11pm
Thanks for the info. Just for clarification are the isolation feet temporary or the Auralex platform rails?
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post #64 of 194
1/7/09 at 9:19pm
That is such a good idea... too bad those pads cost as much as the buttkicker
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post #65 of 194
1/8/09 at 2:52am
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

Thanks for the info. Just for clarification are the isolation feet temporary or the Auralex platform rails?

I haven't decided what I will be using on the new platform.. I will be constructing a permanent platform for a row of 3 Berkline 45094 theater recliners. They should be delivered in a few days. I will be using 4 original BK's spaced out on top.

John
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post #66 of 194
1/8/09 at 5:37am
John..Are You saying Buttkickers are better performers than Crowsons TES100's ?
And Clark's too ??

How can this be ? Crowsons are faster, more accurate.. are they less powerful ? Impact ?
Can you elaborate please ?
If you have actually used these to compare you are the guy I'm wanting to ask.
Thanks.
I'm about to pull the trigger on 5 earthquakes10.0 or 7 Crowsons... and of course a amp.
BK1000 likely.
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post #67 of 194
1/8/09 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

John..Are You saying Buttkickers are better performers than Crowsons TES100's ?
And Clark's too ??

How can this be ? Crowsons are faster, more accurate.. are they less powerful ? Impact ?
Can you elaborate please ?
If you have actually used these to compare you are the guy I'm wanting to ask.
Thanks.
I'm about to pull the trigger on 5 earthquakes10.0 or 7 Crowsons... and of course a amp.
BK1000 likely.

He has the original Buttkickers, I'm sure there have been a lot of watered down revisions. I tried a Buttkicker Gamer which IMO sucked compared to Aura shakers or the BKA 300. Besides that, in the link he provided he said he was only using them from 20hz on down I would take displacement for the win.
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post #68 of 194
1/8/09 at 1:16pm
Gottcha..
Anyone try a I Beam from Sonic Immersion ?
or a Earthequale 10.0 ?
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post #69 of 194
1/8/09 at 3:41pm
I have a pair of LFE's @ 2 ohms on the BKA1000... They are a must have in any 5.1,6.1 and 7.1 system.

Steve
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post #70 of 194
1/8/09 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

I'm about to pull the trigger on 5 earthquakes10.0 or 7 Crowsons... and of course a amp.
BK1000 likely.

I assume you have found & read this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=841019
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post #71 of 194
1/8/09 at 7:34pm
Thanks.. good info.
I'm reading Earthquake MOST potent, then BK, then Crowson is not even in same league.
Some say earthquake gets hot and customer service iffy?
The I Beam looks a lot like a viable option.
the dealer who carries BK and I Beam (AV deals) says I Beam just Slightly, more powerful and responsive than BK, but at nealy double the money.
?
Boy.. I wish someone around here had a demo set up.
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post #72 of 194
1/9/09 at 4:20am
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

Boy.. I wish someone around here had a demo set up.

Not as useful or convenient as a showroom demo but if you want to make the trip to Stittsville I will gladly give you a demo of my Buttkicker setup. My home theater is anything but elaborate:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=edcwhite

but I do have a one couch BK installation with the LFE mounted inside the couch.
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post #73 of 194
1/9/09 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by edcwhite View Post

Not as useful or convenient as a showroom demo but if you want to make the trip to Stittsville I will gladly give you a demo of my Buttkicker setup. My home theater is anything but elaborate:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...light=edcwhite

but I do have a one couch BK installation with the LFE mounted inside the couch.

Thanks for the offer...decent entertainment area.
Maybe we can meet up sometime.. a few of my pic's here.
This before I began my HT improvements last month.

ttp://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

I'm really leaning towards I Beam, by Sonic Imersion.
Maybe you'd like to compare ?
I'm in Russell 20 minutes east of ottawa
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post #74 of 194
1/9/09 at 7:43am
Wow I am intreged is this a whole kit? Including the amp and wireless? Or what else need to be purchased?
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post #75 of 194
1/9/09 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by programmergeek View Post

Wow I am intreged is this a whole kit? Including the amp and wireless? Or what else need to be purchased?

It is a complete kit including the amp, RF transmitter and receiver, remote control, BK and all other remaining associated items for set up.
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post #76 of 194
1/9/09 at 9:10am
Hey John, I read that you will be switching to another pre/pro. How do you plan on low passing your BKs now? 20hz offers some challenges from what I've seen from the usual offerings.
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post #77 of 194
1/9/09 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

It is a complete kit including the amp, RF transmitter and receiver, remote control, BK and all other remaining associated items for set up.


There is a Remote control in the kit ?
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post #78 of 194
1/9/09 at 7:06pm
I have no money left but I want them SO bad... I would go with the wired one.... just seems safer thats it will be more accurate
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post #79 of 194
1/9/09 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

There is a Remote control in the kit ?

LOL yeah a little generic one but it serves its purpose. It's not something you wanna turn up and down on the regular anyways because what will feel good during a low portion of the movie will be over the top during the peaks.
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post #80 of 194
1/10/09 at 8:20am
hmm.. wonder if my harmony1000 wll control them then ?
That would be a big bonus, I was lookingh at more expensive amps for IR control.
Crowson etc..
No feedback on a I Beam ?? Anyone ?
I want to know if they are Quick start stop.
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post #81 of 194
1/11/09 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

hmm.. wonder if my harmony1000 wll control them then ?
That would be a big bonus, I was lookingh at more expensive amps for IR control.
Crowson etc..
No feedback on a I Beam ?? Anyone ?
I want to know if they are Quick start stop.

Yes, My Harmony 1000 controls the BK Amplifier great. I had to manually add it and point the BK remote to the receiver at the bottom of the 1000 for original set up. But 100% of the BK remote functions are now in the Harmony 1000.

I dunno anout the Crowson or the I-Beam. For the price I didn't care.
Amp fires up in a second or less. Rumbling is immediate upon Amp start up if there are LFE effects present.
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post #82 of 194
1/21/09 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

You can get the kit for 320 direct from BK with shipping... I can't afford them now but am scared the coupon code will run out

Mind sharing the coupon code?
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post #83 of 194
1/24/09 at 8:02pm
http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

IBeam is very sensitive at low listening volume has little, accurate feeling, musical rythm.. but drops of at 25hz fast.
My second row of two seats has One Buttkicker LFE and it is dead at low volume, doeasn't move until.. 70hz or so.. then goes deep and heavy feeling, more movement of the 2 seat unit with one BK LFE than the three seater with 3 IBeams.
But.. VERY different feel from each.
I like both.. and would not hesitate to try to incorporate both into a seat.. espeacialy if you could power them from separate Amps.
They would compliment each other.. for someone wanting the absolute ultimate tactile sensation.

Of course on the same day, I installed 2 Hsu MBM's into my set up. that helped.
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post #84 of 194
1/25/09 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

IBeam is very sensitive at low listening volume has little, accurate feeling, musical rythm.. but drops of at 25hz fast.
My second row of two seats has One Buttkicker LFE and it is dead at low volume, doeasn't move until.. 70hz or so.. then goes deep and heavy feeling, more movement of the 2 seat unit with one BK LFE than the three seater with 3 IBeams.
But.. VERY different feel from each.
I like both.. and would not hesitate to try to incorporate both into a seat.. espeacialy if you could power them from separate Amps.
They would compliment each other.. for someone wanting the absolute ultimate tactile sensation.

Of course on the same day, I installed 2 Hsu MBM's into my set up. that helped.

Very nice looking setup you have there... looks like you are also an LFE Man....

Steve
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post #85 of 194
1/25/09 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

IBeam is very sensitive at low listening volume has little, accurate feeling, musical rythm.. but drops of at 25hz fast.
My second row of two seats has One Buttkicker LFE and it is dead at low volume, doeasn't move until.. 70hz or so.. then goes deep and heavy feeling, more movement of the 2 seat unit with one BK LFE than the three seater with 3 IBeams.
But.. VERY different feel from each.
I like both.. and would not hesitate to try to incorporate both into a seat.. espeacialy if you could power them from separate Amps.
They would compliment each other.. for someone wanting the absolute ultimate tactile sensation.

Of course on the same day, I installed 2 Hsu MBM's into my set up. that helped.

I have 2 BK LFEs coming for my first row of seats. The BKA 300 handles the the back couch resting on the platform. I noticed similar as you did (with the BKA 300 not the LFEs) that there is not a whole lot going on until something low and heavy hitting comes along. It feels good when it does, would just like it more often as in my set up it doesn't detract.
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post #86 of 194
1/25/09 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

I have 2 BK LFEs coming for my first row of seats. The BKA 300 handles the the back couch resting on the platform. I noticed similar as you did (with the BKA 300 not the LFEs) that there is not a whole lot going on until something low and heavy hitting comes along. It feels good when it does, would just like it more often as in my set up it doesn't detract.

IBeam is VERY VERY sensitive.. at low volume it picks up Every little thing from musical background noise, and the Low LFE feels like Different sounds.
Like in war of the World when the Big stomps happend it is a Huge Rumble with the BK LFE, but with the IBeam it is a tighter more mid bass type impact the feels/sounds..like, low ,high, back to med bass..like going up and down a freq range very quickly and more realistic feeling.
the BK LFE is more a one tone shake.
BUT>> in the really Low One tone shake it (BBK LFE) does have more Shake.. side to side shake the couch shake.
I really think..I'm going to get a another BK1000 and run BK LFE and IBeams in each chair and crossover them separately.
I'll have Pic's and feedback within' a week.
getting my gear from Ken at AVoutlet.

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre
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post #87 of 194
1/25/09 at 10:09am
On another note.. Anybody recommend a good calibration tool/disc, to help me calibrate 2 Hsu MBM's , with 1 SVS PB12Plusx2, with my 2 mains, and 2 presence, all up front . (test tone CD) ?
Thanks.
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post #88 of 194
1/25/09 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

I'm going to get a another BK1000 and run BK LFE and IBeams in each chair and crossover them separately.
I'll have Pic's and feedback within' a week.
getting my gear from Ken at AVoutlet.

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

Would it be overkill... by doing this?

I have a pair of BK's running in at 2ohms on the BK1000. The LFE's are mounted inside my couch and love seat and it seems like they just want to fall apart. You could set the X-over on your BK1000 at a higher range so it will cut on sooner than later.. BK LFE and IBEAM in each chair WOW... seems alittle too much for me though GO FOR IT.

Steve
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post #89 of 194
1/25/09 at 4:47pm
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Would it be overkill... by doing this?

I have a pair of BK's running in at 2ohms on the BK1000. The LFE's are mounted inside my couch and love seat and it seems like they just want to fall apart. You could set the X-over on your BK1000 at a higher range so it will cut on sooner than later.. BK LFE and IBEAM in each chair WOW... seems alittle too much for me though GO FOR IT.

Steve

You'd have to try an IBeam, it is Such a different feel.
and I tried setting the crossover to 200hz..but BK LFE won't kick in til 70hz and I like 100+hz.
However I like the strong movement down low of the BK LFE , so I'd have some tweeking to do for sure.
Output, and crossover playing for hours I'm sure.
I'm not trying to get MORE output, but rather get a Full response in Low freq. and accurate response above 50hz.
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post #90 of 194
1/25/09 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by stevegamble66 View Post

You'd have to try an IBeam, it is Such a different feel.
and I tried setting the crossover to 200hz..but BK LFE won't kick in til 70hz and I like 100+hz.
However I like the strong movement down low of the BK LFE , so I'd have some tweeking to do for sure.
Output, and crossover playing for hours I'm sure.
I'm not trying to get MORE output, but rather get a Full response in Low freq. and accurate response above 50hz.

The higher you run shakers/tactile tranducers up in frequency, the more prone you are to feel vibration from voices which tends to be annoying IMO. I was thinking similar to your idea about a mixture of two different types. BK lfe from 40hz on down and somethin else (very responsive)from say 40-80. The I Beams sound interesting I wonder how they compare with the likes of Clark Synthesis?
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