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post #1471 of 5912
2/18/10 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Except it might have custom firmware. That's how Microsoft lock standard drives to the Xbox 360 and make it difficult to upgrade unless you buy one of their retail branded (and massively overpriced) drives.

Right.. it could or it could not be.. but we should still try.

examples of things that had been said to been impossible
copying music
copying DVD
Blue Ray encryption

all defeated....

and that crazy idea of going to the moon....
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post #1472 of 5912
2/18/10 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by acaoacao View Post

Right.. it could or it could not be.. but we should still try.

examples of things that are brok
GSM encryption
DVD encryption
Blue Ray encryption

all defeated....

I'm all for someone to try to watch the results, but right now 500GB will keep me going.

It usually takes me about a year before I start getting bored and feeling the need to start tinkering/breaking equipment.
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post #1473 of 5912
2/18/10 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

I'm all for someone to try to watch the results, but right now 500GB will keep me going.

It usually takes me about a year before I start getting bored and feeling the need to start tinkering/breaking equipment.

Agreed. 500GB is a lot and I added a 1.5TB external drive... so ~300 HD hrs is quite a bit for me as well.

I will probably also wait for the 1st year warranty to end first before I tinker as well...

But I posted that post since some people expressed extreme displeasure with The Moxi Guy's comment..

Also keep in mind he said

While this is a very interesting suggestion, due to content protection obligations, it isn't possible to provide user replaceable internal hard drive

So, it is content protection obligations... and not necessarily copy protection on the firmware or hardware....
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post #1474 of 5912
2/18/10 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

Just got my Moxi 3 tuner up and running (Moxi mates pending setup this weekend), and I had a couple questions:

Is the interface supposed to be pretty sluggish to respond? I'd say 1-2 button presses out of 5 on the remote don't even register, or register and don't take effect until the next time I press the button. This is worst navigating around the guide, but its bad everywhere (letter input for searching, for example). Is this normal? Could this be attributed to a problem with my setup?

After reading through this thread I got the impression that there was a native resolution output option. This doesn't appear to be the case. I called tech support and they weren't aware of one either. Is there one? This is a major turn off for me as even my Fios Home Media DVR box had this option.

Chris,

The IR receiver on the Moxi is sometimes very temperamental. I would aim directly at the IR receiver which is on the bottom left of the Moxi box. Move around and check for a sweet spot.

As for native resolution? I am not sure. Moxi had selectable resolutions of 480p, 480i, 1080p, 1080i, 720p in TV Setup... what other resolutions are you looking for?
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post #1475 of 5912
2/18/10 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by acaoacao View Post

Chris,

The IR receiver on the Moxi is sometimes very temperamental. I would aim directly at the IR receiver which is on the bottom left of the Moxi box. Move around and check for a sweet spot.

As for native resolution? I am not sure. Moxi had selectable resolutions of 480p, 480i, 1080p, 1080i, 720p in TV Setup... what other resolutions are you looking for?

select all of them except 1080p and moxi will pass through whatever it is given without signal processing...
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post #1476 of 5912
2/18/10 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by acaoacao View Post

Agreed. 500GB is a lot and I added a 1.5TB external drive... so ~300 HD hrs is quite a bit for me as well.

I will probably also wait for the 1st year warranty to end first before I tinker as well...

But I posted that post since some people expressed extreme displeasure with The Moxi Guy's comment..

Also keep in mind he said

While this is a very interesting suggestion, due to content protection obligations, it isn't possible to provide user replaceable internal hard drive

So, it is content protection obligations... and not necessarily copy protection on the firmware or hardware....

I am going to try to clone it when the WD green drive arrives in the mail. I suspect it will clone just fine, but may not run if the mb has the native drive info embedded. Also, as someone mentioned, if the partitions can not be recognized, then expanding the data partition will not be possible. I will try gparted on it. At worst, it won't work, at best maybe I get a backup drive.
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post #1477 of 5912
2/18/10 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by bellaireroad View Post

select all of them except 1080p and moxi will pass through whatever it is given without signal processing...

ahh! I didn't realize multiple options could be selected simultaneously, thanks!

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Originally Posted by acaoacao View Post

Chris,

The IR receiver on the Moxi is sometimes very temperamental. I would aim directly at the IR receiver which is on the bottom left of the Moxi box. Move around and check for a sweet spot.

Thanks for the tip, I did notice that you're right - the IR receiver (or transmitter) seems to be slightly sub par. I sat on the floor directly in front of the Moxi and tried operating it for a little while, and it improved only marginally. It just seems to stutter and hang up quite a bit more than I was expecting. One example of this is when I pull up the grid guide by hitting the little square button twice - the screen freezes halfway through the little "zoom in" animation and a "now loading" or something similar pops up until the guide shows up. It does this every single time too, so its not just occasionally. Having used the Dish VIR722, the FIOS Motorola Home Media DVR box, and a Tivo HD, I have to say that so far this is by far the most sluggish/unresponsive of them all. I honestly wonder whether I have a defective box.

Has anyone used PS3 Media Center as a DLNA streaming program with the Moxi? I can't seem to get mine to work, even though it works fine on my PS3 that's on the same network. I know this software isn't officially supported, but I was just hoping.
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post #1478 of 5912
2/18/10 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

One example of this is when I pull up the grid guide by hitting the little square button twice - the screen freezes halfway through the little "zoom in" animation and a "now loading" or something similar pops up until the guide shows up. It does this every single time too, so its not just occasionally.

The grid guide is a slow loader, probably because it was added as an additional feature. It might be more responsive in a future update but I use it so rarely now that I can't say I'm particularly bothered.

Since the latest update I have noticed that some events seem to stutter when they worked fine before. When deleting a show it now takes a few seconds for the dialog prompt to click in place on screen.

But hitting the back button to get out of menus is now very fast so it was a trade off.
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post #1479 of 5912
2/19/10 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by bellaireroad View Post

I am going to try to clone it when the WD green drive arrives in the mail. I suspect it will clone just fine, but may not run if the mb has the native drive info embedded. Also, as someone mentioned, if the partitions can not be recognized, then expanding the data partition will not be possible. I will try gparted on it. At worst, it won't work, at best maybe I get a backup drive.

bellaireroad,

I would recommend doing it one step at a time.

As bfdtv said, with Tivo upgrades it was a two step process. For Tivo, they cloned it then expanded. I think the expansion was the harder part of the two.

So I would suggest this.
1. Clone with your new WD green drive. Do a direct clone using dd.
2. Then remove the newly created drive and put it Moxi and see if it works.. If it does then it proves that a backup drive can be created.

3. THEN try expanding it using gparted. If this works then it would be great.

Also.. can you print capture the /etc/fstab and post it as well as fdisk -l
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post #1480 of 5912
2/19/10 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Except it might have custom firmware. That's how Microsoft lock standard drives to the Xbox 360 and make it difficult to upgrade unless you buy one of their retail branded (and massively overpriced) drives.

Ha, way back when, Compaq used to do the exact same thing... the ONLY hard drives that would work were ones bought from them (at twice to thrice normal retail pricing).
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post #1481 of 5912
2/19/10 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by acaoacao View Post

The IR receiver on the Moxi is sometimes very temperamental. I would aim directly at the IR receiver which is on the bottom left of the Moxi box. Move around and check for a sweet spot.

FWIW, I had big issues with my remote... it "seemed" that it needed a 5-8 minute "warm-up" period before it would function. Drove me nuts... attributed it to typical totally crappy TWC equipment. BUT, I couldn't find anyone who had a similar issue.

Finally, I got a lone reply... saying it was my Samsung TV that apparently was known to seriously interfere with IR signals for the first 5-8 minutes of IT being powered on. I tested that theory and it sure seems it was on the money.

The point of which is that it may be very difficult to pin-point exactly where the issue lies... it may come from a completely unexpected direction.
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post #1482 of 5912
2/19/10 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Except it might have custom firmware. That's how Microsoft lock standard drives to the Xbox 360 and make it difficult to upgrade unless you buy one of their retail branded (and massively overpriced) drives.

I would be really surprised if the drive had custom firmware. Digeo/Arris doesn't have the resources to throw at issues like Microsoft does.

I wouldn't be surprised if the drive was password locked. If it is it might be possible to boot up the moxi to unlock the drive and then hot swap the sata cable over to a pc (without unplugging the drive power) to clone the drive.

Of course if the drive is password protected the cloned drive wouldn't be and the moxi probably wouldn't recognize it as valid. There may be utilities out there that can duplicate a drives security information.

There are other things they could do that others on the thread have mentioned. Cloning is probably possible but almost definitely not as straight forward as popping the drive out and running normal cloning software. I will be very pleasantly surprised if I am wrong.
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post #1483 of 5912
2/19/10 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by nenarek View Post

Cloning is probably possible but almost definitely not as straight forward as popping the drive out and running normal cloning software. I will be very pleasantly surprised if I am wrong.

I think right now we are all just guessing.

I think we should do the easiest things first which is drive cloning and cross other bridges when we get there

If I only had a spare 500GB SATA drive...
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post #1484 of 5912
2/19/10 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

ahh! I didn't realize multiple options could be selected simultaneously, thanks!



Thanks for the tip, I did notice that you're right - the IR receiver (or transmitter) seems to be slightly sub par. I sat on the floor directly in front of the Moxi and tried operating it for a little while, and it improved only marginally. It just seems to stutter and hang up quite a bit more than I was expecting. One example of this is when I pull up the grid guide by hitting the little square button twice - the screen freezes halfway through the little "zoom in" animation and a "now loading" or something similar pops up until the guide shows up. It does this every single time too, so its not just occasionally. Having used the Dish VIR722, the FIOS Motorola Home Media DVR box, and a Tivo HD, I have to say that so far this is by far the most sluggish/unresponsive of them all. I honestly wonder whether I have a defective box.

Has anyone used PS3 Media Center as a DLNA streaming program with the Moxi? I can't seem to get mine to work, even though it works fine on my PS3 that's on the same network. I know this software isn't officially supported, but I was just hoping.

Chris I just got my Moxi 3 tuner system this week to replace a failed TivoHD. I'm also have TWC's 8300HD DVR. I have also notices that with the last firmware the Moxi seems less responsive then either of the other boxes. Generally I like to see the program grid since that is similiar to the other systems. But I find it is slower using it then on the other system. I will have to try just using thier default system for a while.

I am also use to just changing channels directly without going to the guide. On the Moxi this is also noticibly slower then on the other systems.

I haven't decided if I will keep the Moxi or return it and get another TivoHD. While the Moxi seems slower it does have other features that I do like.
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post #1485 of 5912
2/19/10 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Nitemage View Post

Chris I just got my Moxi 3 tuner system this week to replace a failed TivoHD. I'm also have TWC's 8300HD DVR. I have also notices that with the last firmware the Moxi seems less responsive then either of the other boxes. Generally I like to see the program grid since that is similiar to the other systems. But I find it is slower using it then on the other system. I will have to try just using thier default system for a while.

I am also use to just changing channels directly without going to the guide. On the Moxi this is also noticibly slower then on the other systems.

I just got a 3 tuner system this week myself. What I have noticed is that the interface on the Mates seems way more responsive. It takes a little longer for a channel stream to start on the Mates but user interface navigation is much more responsive.

It is almost enough to make me swap the location of the Moxi with a Mate but I need to preserve the ability to delete and schedule on the TV that the Moxi is on now.
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post #1486 of 5912
2/19/10 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by Nitemage View Post

Chris I just got my Moxi 3 tuner system this week to replace a failed TivoHD. I'm also have TWC's 8300HD DVR. I have also notices that with the last firmware the Moxi seems less responsive then either of the other boxes. Generally I like to see the program grid since that is similiar to the other systems. But I find it is slower using it then on the other system. I will have to try just using thier default system for a while.

I am also use to just changing channels directly without going to the guide. On the Moxi this is also noticibly slower then on the other systems.

I haven't decided if I will keep the Moxi or return it and get another TivoHD. While the Moxi seems slower it does have other features that I do like.

Wow, that's a little worrisome. If this is truly the responsiveness - and I think my Harmony remote is only going to make that worse - I'm not sure if I can live with it. Problem is, I'm not sure what option I really have - the Tivo solution is just too expensive (for three HD boxes and memberships for each) and the Fios Home Media DVR is nice, but the space is WAY too limited and its not even expandable. Hmm

Quick question too - does the Moxi just stay on all the time? When I hit the power button on the remote nothing seems to happen. I hit it several times too, so I know its not just my IR receiver. Eventually I just powered down my TV and AVR and left it on.
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post #1487 of 5912
2/19/10 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

Wow, that's a little worrisome. If this is truly the responsiveness - and I think my Harmony remote is only going to make that worse - I'm not sure if I can live with it. Problem is, I'm not sure what option I really have - the Tivo solution is just too expensive (for three HD boxes and memberships for each) and the Fios Home Media DVR is nice, but the space is WAY too limited and its not even expandable. Hmm

Quick question too - does the Moxi just stay on all the time? When I hit the power button on the remote nothing seems to happen. I hit it several times too, so I know its not just my IR receiver. Eventually I just powered down my TV and AVR and left it on.

Chris,

I too have the 3 tuner unit. I find it to be just fine in terms of responsiveness. However, what I consider responsive might be different from you. Have you applied the live streaming update? If not, I would apply that since there was an improvement after that update. I also think you should call Moxi Support and express your concerns with the responsiveness.

The Moxi does stay on all the time. The power button on the remote is programmable to turn on your TV or AV receiver. It does not control the Moxi.
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post #1488 of 5912
2/19/10 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

Wow, that's a little worrisome. If this is truly the responsiveness - and I think my Harmony remote is only going to make that worse - I'm not sure if I can live with it. Problem is, I'm not sure what option I really have - the Tivo solution is just too expensive (for three HD boxes and memberships for each) and the Fios Home Media DVR is nice, but the space is WAY too limited and its not even expandable. Hmm

Quick question too - does the Moxi just stay on all the time? When I hit the power button on the remote nothing seems to happen. I hit it several times too, so I know its not just my IR receiver. Eventually I just powered down my TV and AVR and left it on.

Actually, I'm using a harmony one remote and see no difference between it and the orignal remote. I'm assuming that when you setup your Moxi it downloaded the latest firmware. If not you may want to restart it and make sure it has the latest version.
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post #1489 of 5912
2/19/10 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by bellaireroad View Post

I had this problem with the pronto, but pronto has an option of shortening the learn time, I forget which box it is, that needs to be checked. This worked for me. Also, the hex codes were posted on here a while back, you may want to check those.

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Originally Posted by sticks2971 View Post

I have the MX-850 and have the same issues. I used the learning function to tranfer all the commands from the moxi remote to the mx-850. Maybe I need to understand how to use the hex codes to correct this problem. It would be nice if the Moxi remote had a button to cycle through the TV inputs.

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Originally Posted by Lawbreaker View Post

URC MX users...
Look in the IR database under DVR/Moxi. You will find a brand new code set there that works the Moxi HD DVRs.
Use IR from the remote first and make sure response is correct. It should be. Then set your system to RF and hold your wired IR emitter over the area on the left side and test the up/down functions and number entry. Once you find the sweet spot where everything works, stick the emitter and you should be good.

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Originally Posted by flyer57 View Post

I ended up mapping the moxi. Using the IR repeater's emitter and using the remote to find the location of the Moxi emitter as I couldn't see it even with a flashlight either! Works great and I now have all my devices closed up in the Media cenyter cabinet. Makes the wife happy!

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Originally Posted by jonnyb View Post

Can you clarify what equipment you used to get the Moxi to respond with an IR emitter? I thought that the IR jack in the back of the Moxi Mate was an IR input, but it sounds like it is an output (?). I wanted to install the Moxi mate in bedroom where I want the box to be hidden. I thought I could simply install an IR eye on my wall mounted TV and fish the cable through the wall to the back of the Moxi Mate. I guess it is more complicated than that.

Thanks...

With the IR emitter installed, the Moxi remote seems to work a little sluggishly sometimes, while the MX-850 works too well. I really think the Moxi remote sends very weak IR signals, while the MX-850 sends strong ones.

Perhaps the method of holding the IR emitter over the unit while playing with the buttons would do the trick. I suspect that due to the strong IR signals of the MX-850, the emitter may need to be offset (not directly on "target") to compensate for this.

I am not sure what benefit the hex codes would bring over manual programming?

I think I will try the codes on the URC site...worth a shot.

Mark
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post #1490 of 5912
2/19/10 at 1:26pm
All,

There is a newly released update.

I believe this update addresses an issue some of us had with external drives having random 10 second freezes on shows on the record drive. Not sure if it does anything else.

To force this update, go to Options, the Diagnostics, then Service Status.... select Update Moxi.
It should say New software is available..

Select Update Software..

This will require a reboot.
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post #1491 of 5912
2/19/10 at 3:57pm
For anyone that isn't using a Cablecard and mapping channels in the Moxi. I found some reviews stating channel mapping was very time consuming. The hardest part is figuring out what channel is what. Here are a couple of websites for anyone needing assistance with channel mapping. There are probably others, but these have worked well for me.

First go to this website. Enter your zip code and select your cable provider from the drop down menu. This should get you the channel name for each channel you receive via clear-QAM.

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

Now go this this website. Enter your zip code and select your cable provider. This will help you get the cable assigned channel number to map in your Moxi.

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZBLocalize.do
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post #1492 of 5912
2/19/10 at 4:03pm
I wish there was a channel mapping feature when using a CableCard. I've got a lot of Moxi logos in my channel view that need replacing with network bugs. My local CW and PBS HD feeds aren't correctly identified for example.
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post #1493 of 5912
2/19/10 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

I wish there was a channel mapping feature when using a CableCard. I've got a lot of Moxi logos in my channel view that need replacing with network bugs. My local CW and PBS HD feeds aren't correctly identified for example.

Have you contacted Moxi support about that? Maybe they can add the channel logos.
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post #1494 of 5912
2/19/10 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

With the IR emitter installed, the Moxi remote seems to work a little sluggishly sometimes, while the MX-850 works too well. I really think the Moxi remote sends very weak IR signals, while the MX-850 sends strong ones.

Perhaps the method of holding the IR emitter over the unit while playing with the buttons would do the trick. I suspect that due to the strong IR signals of the MX-850, the emitter may need to be offset (not directly on "target") to compensate for this.

I am not sure what benefit the hex codes would bring over manual programming?

I think I will try the codes on the URC site...worth a shot.

Mark

I was unable to update the MX-850 Editor software with new IR codes, so I used the hex codes to program the directional buttons. It still exhibits the same behavior (one button press = advancing by two icons or cards).

So, it would appear that learned code from the remote and the hex code exhibit the same behavior in my setup.

I will try offsetting the IR emitter next to reduce the signal level getting to the Moxi's "eye".

Mark
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post #1495 of 5912
2/19/10 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

I wish there was a channel mapping feature when using a CableCard. I've got a lot of Moxi logos in my channel view that need replacing with network bugs. My local CW and PBS HD feeds aren't correctly identified for example.

I had the same problem as you and all I did was to send a support email what logo's I was missing and a couple of days later they had all my logo's missing up and running. Give them a couple of days after you start a support ticket
(they have to research your cable provider line up) then check your Moxi website account channel line up to see if they got it done and then you might have to do a program guide update in the Moxi DVR for the the missing logo's to show up.
Top notch support from Moxi, I was very pleased with them.
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post #1496 of 5912
2/20/10 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Evangelo2 View Post

I emailed moxi support and they sent me a file with hex remote codes for the Moxi. Adding a link here to help everyone out. Enjoy!

-Evangelo2

MOXI Remote Hex Codes

Since I am a stickler for remote programming accuracy, I decided to finish programming in the hex codes into my MX-850. I discovered the Enter and * (Asterisk) commands do not work. I tried several times to eliminate the possibility of error on my part.

I did not attempt to program the Power Toggle, Mute, Volume Up and Volume Down commands, as I do not use them.

I will just use the learn function to program the Enter and * (Asterisk) commands from the Moxi remote.

It still have to play around with the IR emitter placement to fix the directional arrow and consecutive number entry issues noted above.

If anyone would like the .mxd file for the Moxi device, PM me your email address.

Mark
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post #1497 of 5912
2/20/10 at 5:50am
Moxi shut off for no reason?

Was watching TV and it just shut off. Started back up a few minutes later and did the drive check. I sent logs to Moxi.
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post #1498 of 5912
2/20/10 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I was unable to update the MX-850 Editor software with new IR codes, so I used the hex codes to program the directional buttons. It still exhibits the same behavior (one button press = advancing by two icons or cards).

So, it would appear that learned code from the remote and the hex code exhibit the same behavior in my setup.

I will try offsetting the IR emitter next to reduce the signal level getting to the Moxi's "eye".

Mark

I just tried "mapping" the IR emitter with the assistance of my wife. I had her operate the MX-850 remotes channel up/down buttons (programmed from the hex codes posted here).

I was at the equipment rack in the basement trying locations for the IR emitter on the front of the Moxi. We were communicating via the intercom function on cordless phone units, so I could instantly learn the results of moving the emitter around.

I tried multiple locations on the front of the plexiglass cover on the Moxi. I even tried positions on the top and bottom of the plexiglass cover in an attempt to get it to work

The bottom line is that with the MX-850's very strong IR signals, the up/down buttons either jump two at a time or don't work when the emitter gets far enough away from the "eye".

I guess there is no solution for this issue, unless some kind of tint film placed between the plexiglass and the IR emitter would reduce the power of the IR signals?

Mark
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post #1499 of 5912
2/20/10 at 10:15am
Weird question here.... I have a moxi and a mate but I have 3 tv's. I'll buy another regular moxi as soon as I can buy the 3-tuner without any extra mates, but for the time being I am just moving the mate between the 2nd and 3rd tv as they never get used at the same time. I have duplicates of all the cables except for the moxi mate's AC adapter. My goal is to be able to just unplug all cables and move just the box to the other room. Unfortunately Moxi doesn't give me an option to get an additional cable and they are telling me that using a different one would kill the warranty.

So does anyone know of a way to get an additional ac adapter?
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post #1500 of 5912
2/20/10 at 10:36am
I noticed that the date is not shown on the main UI. It's available in info view and in the gird guide though.

Can you add today's date below the onscreen clock?
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