Originally Posted by Ian_Currie Yes, but it's not like there's anything better.
Originally Posted by slowbiscuit The overwhelming response to the Tivo Father's Day offer (getting a Tivo HD w/lifetime for $300 less than the Moxi) would seem to belie your statement.
Not at all. HDTiVo is normally slightly cheaper with far less storage than Moxi, and during the Father's Day Special was significantly cheaper.
Digeo would sell a lot more of these boxes if they dropped the price a couple of hundred, but it looks like they can't make any money on them if they do that.
Right now they're not cost-competitive with Tivo, and feature-wise it's a wash because each box has its own strengths and weaknesses.
We don't know TiVo's profit margin and/or to what degree their Father's Day Special was profitable. Since the Father's Day Special was in-house with no dealer mark-up TiVo retained all profit earned. Moxi utilizes the no dealer mark-up strategy all the time of course.
Considering Moxi's advantage over TiVo by not requiring one officially authorized, somewhat more expensive, outboard HDD to increase storage plus Moxi's ability to use any number of external HDD's, one at a time, for unlimited storage Moxi's cost is in reality a wash.
When a user fiddles with TiVo and thus voids its warranty TiVo's storage gets cheap. TiVo's potential performance is enhanced from such fiddling as its outboard storage system is clunky and runs an incresased risk of losing everything. It's twice as likely to fail over time as just replacing the internal HDD. If Moxi's outboard storage suffers an HDD failure the user doesn't lose everything.
In the final analysis TiVo nor Moxi are neither cheap nor expensive. It all depends on a user's perspective. I wouldn't buy either because of price.
I prefer to watch a great deal of TV 'live' and like Moxi's approach a lot more than compromising with TiVo. But many TiVo users brag about almost never watching TV 'live'. Moxi isn't as good as TiVo for watching almost everything timeshifted.
Things I like about Moxi:
Its unlimited external storage capability.
Its unusually large recording buffers.
Its ability in a pinch to record three programs at the same time, one from its analog tuning dongle.
Its ability to manually map unscrambled QAM without a CableCARD.
Its ability to manually record Premium channels in standard-def from a cheap cable STB using the tuning dongle, without having to pay an 'Additional Outlet Fee' for a CableCARD device.
TiVo is better than Moxi for:
Its mini-Google search engine for TV programming, probably TiVo's signature and most powerful feature.
Its 'more than DVR' capabilities.
(offered facetiously) Ordering pizza!
TiVo currently has MRV (Multi-room-viewing) capability while Moxi only promises a different copy-guard free streaming version of it, perhaps later this year. TiVo's MRV is greatly limited in my location due to Comcast's copy-guard flagging which blocks all Premium channel transfers.
TiVo provides the capability to record anamorphic DVDs from its aspect ratio settings; Moxi doesn't. However anamorphic DVD's recorded on an outboard DVD recorder aren't flagged as such, unlike commercial DVDs, so they're not compatible with other DVD players. Moxi requires that DVD's recorded from it be 'zoomed', thus losing resolution. TiVo can be set to do the same if appropriate.
As posted earlier, I don't like either Moxi's hi-def or TiVo's standard-def EPGs as much as ReplayTV's standard-def version.