Moxi HD DVR - Page 9

IMHO there still needs to be simple box that just streams from the primary for a low cost. I don't need two DVRs, I need something that my kids can watch in the other room.

It's not a PC, it's a TV.

Yes, I figured that might be the case, but if you had a PC the kids could use Slingbox SOLO is by far the cheapest option. Otherwise there may not be a suitably cheap option available now.

The SlingCatcher is used to provide Slingplayer output to a TV. The SlingCatcher is on clearance now for $130. Figure $155 for the Slingbox Solo and $130 for the Slingcatcher, and you've got remote viewing on another TV (and over the Internet) for $285.

If you already own (or wanted to buy) a Slingbox, then this is a reasonable option. If you have no prior interest in the Slingbox, then I think I might spend the extra $115 to get the Moxi Mate ($400).

Too much work to set up the slingcatcher/slingbox combo and there's no network by the other tv other than coax that feeds the verizon set top thats currently there. Sigh.

If you have Verizon FiOS with an Actiontec router, you already have a 100Mbps network to every coax outlet. You can setup a second Actiontec RevC/D router ($20-$30 on ebay) to act as a bridge, creating a 100Mbps connection between the two.

Instructions to do that are at DSLReports.

While I appreciate the knowledge and inventiveness being shown here , wouldn't it just be simpler to have a cheap set-top box that can receive streams from the Moxi HD DVR? Like, from, say, Moxi? Thanks for trying to figure a solution.


(Late thought -- can a Moxi stream to anything else? Is this a standard protocol? Or vendor specific?)

Does anyone know for sure how the Moxi will stream to the Moxi-Mate. Will it be able to use coax or will it require a networked connection?

Well, technically, the coax can be considered a network connection (MoCA protocol if I remember anything at all.)

The Moxi doesn't have built-in MoCA, so some form of network connection will be required. But if you can't run an ethernet cable between rooms, there are various alternatives including third-party Homeplug AV (powerline networking) and MoCA (coax networking) adapters. With these solutions, one adapter would connect to the ethernet port on the Moxi and a second adapter would connect to the router elsewhere in your home.

Here's an example of such a product.

I just ordered and recieved bot a Tivo HDXL and a Moxi HD.

The fios tech came out yesterday but when he saw my order he thought it was incorrect and decided to only bring one M-Card. so right now only the tivo is fully working ... however the moxi is working with the clear-QAM channels.

so far I like the Moxi a little more. the interface seems better easier to read than the tivo. Also it uses the full screen which is nice.

Moxi supports 1080p verses tivo 1080i... until I get the other mcard I will not be able to test side by side.

also I have already used the moxi to replace the xbox 360 for streaming video from my video server in the basement. I have not spen too much time with that yet though. for reference I use tversity for streaming. I have heard that moxi requires mpeg2 for streaming and will not play other content without conversion(tversity).

the tivo has a slight pause when flipping channels that the motorola does not so I will wait for the second m-card on sunday to see if the moxi is better or worse...

I do like the tivo ratings and other shows you may like recordings.

the Moxi rep confirmed that moxi does not have the size issue that tivo has... (moxi must be 64bit) They have support for the new lacie 4TB esata drive. i have read that tivo has a max of 2TB regardless of where the drives are... I wonder if the cable labs will add a recording lifetime flag to keep you from building a library of recorded stuff...

the (same) moxi rep also said you can stream recorded content from one moxi to another...

the moxi games are more fun than they seem at first... my wife loves the video poker and black jack.... great little time wasters...

I had a tivo 2 when they first came out but found the ir blaster too cumbersum ... also when they briefly stopped the lifetime subscriptions that prevented me from geting a series 3... and the esata issues are way too much for me... the process for adding storage to the tivo is rediculous in my opinion.

Well that is about it for now ... I will repost next week with an update after I start using the moxi more... so far the moxi is in the lead for me... an extra $200 for a second moxi (over a second tivohd with lifetime) is steep but not a big enough difference to live with the tivo's limitations.

Don't expect to get 1080p output from the Moxi, because you won't. Moxi only supports 1080p24 output (like the TiVo hardware) and there are no 1080p24 channels announced or expected.

If you haven't used TiVo in awhile, be sure to check out the Using TiVo section of the AVS TivoHD FAQ.

Why would they do this? Why support something that isn't there?

It allows them to tout "1080p" in their marketing materials. People see "1080p" and their eyes light up, even though there is no practical benefit.

In the future, Moxi could support some [future] pay Internet service that supports 1080p24 streaming or downloads, such as Blockbuster or Amazon Unbox. That's about the only place you'll see 1080p24 used, aside from [future] cable company VOD which the Moxi doesn't support.

Tacky.

That's no different than the tv's advertising 1080p.

Agreed. I just thought it meant you could stream 1080p from your computer.

Not true; but practically speaking I don't know what difference it makes. There are selectable sub-options under 1080 for 1080p/24 or 1080p/30 in the Moxi Menu.

'The Moxi HD DVR supports 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p 24hz/30hz.'
http://moxi.com/us/support/MC4R/MoxiHDDVR_FAQ.pdf (page 3)

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It's true a lotta' Moxi's pitch refers to TiVo and borders on hype!
http://moxi.com/us/home.html

Regarding TiVo vs. Moxi, TiVo's performance comes closest to, but doesn't achieve perfection. Moxi's performance is within the same order of magnitude, but isn't equal to TiVo's. By 'performance' I mean the ability to flawlessly accomplish what the device is designed to do; the design goals are a separate issue.

As I've stated previously TiVo vs. Moxi is reminiscent of TiVo vs. ReplayTV in the old days.

TiVo worked marginally better than ReplayTV but ReplayTV was designed much closer than TiVo for accomplishing what I wanted from a HDD recording machine. Understand that I found ReplayTV's signature automatic Commercial Advance flawed enough so it stayed turned off and its streaming version of MRV didn't work as well as TiVo's file transfer version when using an ethernet LAN, and in general was too glitchy to make a copy from.

ReplayTV's main features that drew me to it were its potentially disc sized recording buffer and superb EPG, as well as the 4XXX series Bypass option which eliminated delay and signal degradation when watching live. In practice ReplayTV's buffer would routinely get to 16+ hours if left alone before the daily data download would restart it. For emergency recording to another recorder it's even possible to 'stall' ReplayTV's buffer dump. The neatest trick of all is ReplayTV's unique capability to send its buffer output in a loop to its input and record to itself! (However it's much simpler to send a buffer segment to an outboard recorder.)

In similiar fashion I use Moxi's dongle to record from a standard def cable STB in an unending stream. Moxi's buffer is usually good for up to 3+ hours and is never less than 1½ hours.

In short, TiVo is better than Moxi for watching (almost) everything timeshifted, while Moxi is better than TiVo for routinely watching a mix of live and timeshifted programming, as I do.

'And that's the way it is!'

That was a typo. But 1080p30 might as well not exist, because you won't find that content anywhere outside a small number of Blu-ray titles.


I don't think it's quite the same.

Televisions can deinterlace 1080i content in 1080p60 for display. There is plenty of 1080p24 content available on disk (Blu-ray) that televisions can display at 1080p60.

We will see 1080p DVRs that can deinterlace 1080i into 1080p, it just won't be in 2009. Broadcom's next-generation DVR CPU (i.e. successor to the chip in the Moxi) is expected in products next year, and it will be the first to offer that capability.


That you can do, provided you have a 1080p24 source in MPEG-2 at under 30Mbps. Over time, Moxi should add better support for other formats.

When an image is created at a given resolution/quality level does anyone really believe that it looks better by upscaling it to a higher quality level without subjecting it to a long, drawn-out-in-realtime, selective enhancement project using a variety of sources, which breaks it down pixel-by-pixel and reformulates it?

http://wipednews.com/2009/07/17/nasa...d-enhancement/

I have Insight cable in Louisville, KY, and just got a Moxi HD DVR this week. Wondering if anyone has some suggestions for a problem they seem to be having getting the CableCARD to work correctly. I only get the "CCfree" / non-subscription digital channels. Doesn't matter if it's the non-HD or the HD channels. Any channel that is in a subscription pack will not come in.

On the Conditional access screen, I'm getting a Val: ? with Auth: MP or CAD. They've gotten Val: to show V, but always in combination with Auth: MP, never with Auth: S. The Moxi reps seem to all suggest sending a "Refresh" signal to the card, but Insight say they can only send "Initialize" and "Addressable Hit". I've had the Moxi rep talk to the Insight tech, to the 800# customer service, and to "Insight Dispatch", none of which knew what a "Refresh" signal was, and all said they had no more signals to send.

Anyone have any ideas at all on this? Apparently another (the 3rd one so far) tech is going to bring some kind of testing equipment out to make sure the Moxi HD DVR is "compatible" with their system, as they claim to have never set one of these boxes up on their system before. They say they have setup TiVos which work with both the S- and M-cards.

Another problem they seemed to have was when they paired the card, the Data # on the pairing screen would change. They would put it back in several times in a row and it would keep changing.

Have you tried calling moxi and having them work talk to the cable company?... they seem pretty willing to do this in there documentation.

After getting the cable card installed in the moxi and using it for a day.... I have to say I am very impressed.

so far in my personal moxi vs tivo... here is the tally

moxi pros vs tivo
better program guide (refering to the design, this is just preference on my part)

better support for storage ( depending on how much hd I record this could be a huge deal).

better support for streaming to the box. I am already used to using tversity to stream video to the xbox360 so this was super easy to configure.

better guide functionality. I am able to remap my hd chanels to make watching them easier.

Tivo pros vs MOXi
better stability (I already have a ticket in with moxi due to losing the video signal when my hdmi switch moves from device to device)

better online program guide search and selection ( I like the only show hd shows)

I like the helper features I like to see shows that I may like.. I like the ratings even if my 2year old like to push the remote buttons and mess it all up

more community support... I am more comfortable that tivo will not just close up shop on me.


Motorola qip3216 pros vs moxi/tivo
better speed at everything... when I change a chanel it is instant... no 1 sec delay that I get with both moxi and tivo.

That's exactly what he did.

My mistake I guess glanced through that part...

Well this is a new product although Diego has made cablebox's for while now.

it was a pretty quick install for me plug in card, have tech call company with all the numbers needed to pair and it worked. are you still within your 30days to send it back?

what where the reasons you picked moxi over tivo?

Does your cable company support tivohd's?

from my testing there are not a ton of difference between them and I would take either of them over my motorola...

A more detailed list of pros/cons can be found here. If you want to narrow it down, then it would be:

Moxis buffer is 1.5 hours per tuner minimum and can exceed 3 hours per tuner.


Moxi's Recording Options, can be set to shorten a recording's length up to 5 mins. or lengthen it up to 90 mins. when scheduling a recording (or afterward.)


When a recording is over Moxi displays the last still frame of the recording and no longer buffers that channel.


These 'subjective' posts can be phrased in reverse and be just as truthful. My take on them is that:

TiVo's interface IS more intuitive than Moxi, but Moxi is amazing at how it automatically makes order out of seeming chaos; just by repeatedly pressing the Moxi button you're back where you started no matter where you've been!

TiVo's autocorrection is a real drag to use; it's so exaggerated at faster speeds it's annoying. Moxi's is undercorrected a small amount and isn't nearly as annoying.

When changing from FF to RW or vice versa Moxi is much more intuitive to me than TiVo's using the reverse direction button to slow down the speed in the original direction.



I have both Moxi and S3 TiVo and use both without CableCARDS as well as another S3 used with CC's.

Thanks everyone for your posting. in a few days I'm going to have all 3 major DVRs(The DirecTV HD DVR(HR23-700), The HD Tivo, And the Moxi) with me.

I like many of the advantages Moxi, but one I do have a question about one.

In bkdtvs post # 17 You can edit / delete recordings online.

What editing can you do online?

Lots of good info posted here, thanks to all of you!

The Moxi looks very interesting to me. I am a little concerned about getting the CableCARD functioning though. We have Comcast in our area and they HATE the CCs. They have problems getting them to work and they always blame the technology and/or the device (television) for the problem. Case in point, my in-laws have had Crapcast techs at their home 3 separate times to get a CC working and finally gave up.

I use a CC in my TV and love that I can fully utilize my dual TV system the way it was designed.

All this being said, here's what I want in a DVR: Simplicity of use, expansion capability, AND NO MONTHLY PAYMENTS! I don't care if the device costs $2,000, I am tired of monthly payments! I hate the STB that Comcast provides mostly because of the terrible Standard Definition quality and definitely because of monthly payments. At least with a set price for my device (even at the outrageous price of $799 for the Moxi), I can decide whether or not I should or can purchase. I like the old fashioned way of "buying" my toys. Take time to save your money, purchase what you want, and use it until you tire of it or it breaks.

Whether or not I purchase the Moxi or the Tivo, I would definitely get the lifetime subscription so that comparison is a must. GUI elegance and some other comparisons mentioned in this thread are subjective and not really important to me.

Again, thanks for the good info.