Originally Posted by mdrew
I've decided to get rid of my cable provider boxes and buy a Tivo Premiere or one of these Moxi boxes (and possibly two mates). I like the idea of the lifetime subscription, so the price between the two becomes a somewhat, mute point. I have a whole slew of friends with Tivo and they all love them. I know no one with a Moxi. My question is to currently Moxi owners. Knowing what you know today, would you recommend that I buy a Moxi or would you buy a Tivo if you had to do this again? I am in all sincerity not trying to start a pissing contest, but looking for feedback from existing Moxi owners. So if you do decide to reply, please don't take my question as anything but an honest question. I have owned neither, so I really do not have a dog in this fight.
for a detailed comparison in the form of a table. UIs are different and which one you’ll like is subjective. You can get videos and screenshots that will allow you to compare, there are links in the table. Tivo gets a lot more info about your shows from the internet (pictures and such) at the expense of some speed and screen real estate. Personally, I did not like what I saw on the screenshots, it reminded me of internet pages with lots of ads. I’d prefer a more streamline DVR interface, but that is subjective.
Below are non-subjective things that caught my eye.
• wishlists - save complex user-defined search and auto-record all future matches; Moxi has complex searches (not quite as complex, no Boolean operators and multiple fields), but can’t save them.
• overlap protection - if there are small (less than 5 minutes) overlaps between shows that would cause 3 tuners to be required, the lowest priority show gets clipped (as opposed to not recorded at all).
• works with antenna, not just cable
• Undelete folder – i.e. deleted shows go there, and can be resurrected, unless you use out all the space
• has some VOD stuff – Netflix, Amazon
• Moxi apparently have issues with remote control sensitivity
• has manual (VCR-style) recordings
• You can copy from Tivo to computer and back, subject to copyright restrictions. While every provider marks premiums like HBO as no-copy, some (Time Warner in many areas) marks everything except broadcast cable as no-copy, so if you have one of those providers, can’t copy ESPN or TNT shows, either; some nicer providers (FIOS, according to some posts) mark only premiums as no-copy, so your mileage may vary. If you are allowed to copy, it is quite handy, both for longer term storage and also you can use software to automatically remove commercials, and than copy shows back to Tivo to watch without fast-forwarding.
• superior multi-room solution - can use cheap Moxi Mates and stream anything from DVR to Mate; there is no such thing like Tivo Mates, you must buy another full Tivo (i.e. expensive), and no streaming - copying only; note that copying between Tivos is subject to the same copyright restrictions as copying to a computer, so, for example, if you recorded an HBO show on one Tivo, you can not watch it on another. No such issue with Moxi streaming.
• better eSATA solution – on Tivo, every recording is “striped” – part on internal, part on external drive. Removing external drive ruins all of the recordings since the drive was installed. On Moxi, recordings are either completely on internal or completely on external drive, and you can disconnect external drive and hook up another one, then disconnect that one and re-connect the original one, and so on, without losing any recordings. Also, Moxi can use just about any external drive meant for DVRs, while Tivo forces you to use only one type.
• replacing internal drive (either for more storage or to fix the most common failure in DVRs) is much easier on Moxi - you can just drop in almost any drive in Moxi, force software download, and it will work fine. On Tivo, you have to install software first (by connecting the drive to your computer), and only then put the drive in, or buy a more expensive pre-made drive.
• No advertising on Moxi – Tivo has some ads on certain menus, including on pause. Also, Tivo has a big bar on top of HD menus with a lot of pictures that you can not turn off – this is not necessarily (or obviously) ads, but still looks like a waste of space. (sorry for throwing in a subjective thing)
• Can get a 3 tuner model (but if you have a Cisco TA, only two are usable)
• Allows specifying time of the day for series recording, useful for shows with poor descriptions that run several times a day. Tivo has some workarounds for that, but not for every show.
• When you look at Moxi program guide, shows scheduled to record are distinctive; on Tivo they are not
• Tivo Premiere is unfinished – some menus are still in SD (including the one that will most benefit from HD – program guide), and there were some reports of flakiness and extreme slowness with HD menus, a lot of which was eventually fixed. Note that you can opt to use old SD menus only, which are fast and not crash prone, but look ancient.