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post #5701 of 5912
11/19/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by Duck05 View Post

Recently acquired a second Moxi on eBay. Unit was in excellent condition.
I have them in two separate rooms and when they are both on the network the recorded list of shows is depicted as one seamless list.
This week we were playing back a show recorded on the original unit and about 10 minutes into the show the screen went black; after 17 minutes of "nothing" the picture and audio came back. Next day when watching a different show recorded on the other unit, a 10 minute video only black section arose (but with audio) and then the picture and audio returned. Thinking it may have been the cable but not too sure...
Never had anything quite like this before.... Anyone have similar issues or seen this before?

Just to rule out something like HDMI sync loss, did you try stopping and restarting the recording or did you confirm that nothing was actually recorded in that spot. (it is always repeatable at the same spot in the recording)
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post #5702 of 5912
11/19/12 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Skid71 View Post

Operon,
I don't have a diagram now. I'll try to lay it out.
Downstairs:
Media Room (MR)
POE gets split
1 - connects to Moxi
2 - I believe connects to a coax outlet in Bedroom (BR)
BR
Cable from coax outlet (#2 above) gets split x4
3 - connects to MoCA adapter input, MoCA adapter output connects to Modem, Modem connects to wireless router by ethernet cable
4 - connects to WinXP MCE machine analog tuner card ((will be eliminated by the move))
5 - connects to input #1 on HD HomeRun ((will be eliminated by the move))
6 - connects to input #2 on HD HomeRun ((will be eliminated by the move))
Ethernet cable from router mentioned above then goes back to MR into an ethernet switch
1 - goes into Moxi ethernet port
2 - goes into GoogleTV
3 - goes into XBox 360
I believe the Moxi supports MoCA.
I would like to eliminate the POE split.
Proposed move:
POE coax connected to Moxi.
A. Ethernet cable from Moxi to ethernet switch (providing internet access to Google TV & XBox 360)
I don't know if (A) will work.
I would then move the MoCA adapter, modem, and wireless router listed above to a coax outlet upstairs. (UP)
Proposed connection (UP):
Coax cable into MoCA adapter input, MoCA output into modem, then ethernet cable connecting modem to wireless router.
This would give us better wireless connectivity upstairs.
This would eliminate the POE split
This would eliminate the 4-way split currently in the downstairs bedroom.
Hope this makes more sense.
Must leave know to take Excedrin for headache.
Thank you for your help (again) Operon.
Skid
Edit: I have found out that the Moxi cannot act as a MoCA bridge. Not a huge deal, I'll just add a MoCA adapter at the Moxi location.

I think you'll be able to make this work. And quite correctly you've recognize that the Moxi cannot act as a bridge. Good luck.
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post #5703 of 5912
11/19/12 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by Operon View Post

I think you'll be able to make this work. And quite correctly you've recognize that the Moxi cannot act as a bridge. Good luck.

Operon,
You are correct sir! I was able to de-commission the desktop computer, move all the home network hardware, and increase wifi coverage throughout the house immensely.

Had to use a MoCA adapter at the main Moxi location, but all is well.

Skid

ps... if anyone has a Mate they would like to sell, pm me
Edited by Skid71 - 11/20/12 at 7:05am
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post #5704 of 5912
11/22/12 at 8:53pm
Help! My moxi Mate power supply was damaged during hurricane Sandy frown.gif
Anyone know where I can find a replacement power supply. I know it's a 12volt 2.5 amp dc supply but I have no idea the jack size (mm). Anyone know the input jack size?

I also have lost my moxi 3 tuner dvr power cable. anyone know what type of cable it requires?

Thanks for any help I can get.

-EVANGELo2
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post #5705 of 5912
11/24/12 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Just to rule out something like HDMI sync loss, did you try stopping and restarting the recording or did you confirm that nothing was actually recorded in that spot. (it is always repeatable at the same spot in the recording)

Definitely the recording itself. Stopped and started both instances several times with consistent behaivor in the same exact area....
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post #5706 of 5912
11/29/12 at 12:08pm
Is anyone experiencing problems with the web portal scheduler? I can log in but can not get a list of scheduled programs. If I go to 'Online Scheduling" I can't see set programs.
Tee Jay
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post #5707 of 5912
11/29/12 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by TeeJay1952 View Post

Is anyone experiencing problems with the web portal scheduler? I can log in but can not get a list of scheduled programs. If I go to 'Online Scheduling" I can't see set programs.
Tee Jay

I use it every day, and except for a few times of having to repeat trying them, both scheduled to record and online scheduling have consistently worked, including just now
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post #5708 of 5912
11/29/12 at 12:44pm
Reboot all is well. Thanks for checking.
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post #5709 of 5912
11/30/12 at 8:06pm

Hi guys:

 

1.  Does the Moxi dvr have an equivalent "defrag" button or feature i could use? I've noticed the disk is getting noisy and sluggish and would like to 'clean' it up, if possible. I have a 3T version.

 

 

2.  Is there a competent replacement for the Moxi dvr on the market?

 

 

3.  PM me if you need to buy Moxi Mate. Box is open just to see what the it looked like but otherwise unused. I placed it back in its shipping box and has been there ever since.

 

Thanks,

David

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post #5710 of 5912
11/30/12 at 8:16pm
dmusoke,

1. Doubtful. It sounds like your hard drive might be failing. How old is your moxi?
2. TiVo and HTPC if you like to tinker. There is the announced Ceton q, but who knows when it will ship.
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post #5711 of 5912
11/30/12 at 9:54pm
Hey All...

I have a 2 tuner Moxi and it's been good to me for a few years now, recently I was having HD issues and replaced it with a new 1.5T seagate. All is well, mostly. Sometimes shows that should record don't show up in the cue, but when you request that they be recorded it says that it already is.

Also, and more importantly, some of my HD channels are now playing in Spanish!!!! Yes... channels I've been watching for years... and this is probably unrelated to the HD replacement, are now in Spanish!

Time Warner seems to think it's an SAP issue, but I don't know how to access the SAP settings. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

Help please... mue Spanish no es bueno!

Thanks!

Josh
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post #5712 of 5912
11/30/12 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by Shay View Post

dmusoke,
1. Doubtful. It sounds like your hard drive might be failing. How old is your moxi?
2. TiVo and HTPC if you like to tinker. There is the announced Ceton q, but who knows when it will ship.

Ceton killed the Q. Well, technically, Microsoft killed the embedded version of MCE that the Q was based on first, then Ceton cancelled it.
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post #5713 of 5912
12/1/12 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Hi guys:

1.  Does the Moxi dvr have an equivalent "defrag" button or feature i could use? I've noticed the disk is getting noisy and sluggish and would like to 'clean' it up, if possible. I have a 3T version.


2.  Is there a competent replacement for the Moxi dvr on the market?


3.  PM me if you need to buy Moxi Mate. Box is open just to see what the it looked like but otherwise unused. I placed it back in its shipping box and has been there ever since.

Thanks,
David

1. The Moxi is based on embedded Linux and uses an encrypted ext3 file system that doesn't suffer from fragmentation problems that occur with FAT or NTFS formatted disks. Check to see if your disk limit is being approached as I've seen the unit act dodgy when it runs up against 99% capacity. More likely is that the disk is beginning to suffer and could die shortly. Have you had the Moxi reboot unexpectedly? Another sign that the disk is giving up the ghost. I'd replace it keeping in mind that you will loose all pre-recorded media once you install a new drive.

2. As far as replacements, the only viable thing out there is Tivo's Premier XL and the companion Ethernet based Mini IP who's availability should be announced within the next few months. Ceton's Q is all but dead following MS's lack of commitment to a new version of embedded Media Center though Media Center is available for the latest iteration of MS's OS, Windows 8. Furthermore, reading about Ceton's Echo unit in this forum has been a bit of a nightmare inasmuch as the unit appears to have been misunderstood as well as being plagued by QC problems. I guess they're trying to recoup their investment by marketing the Echo as a streaming device and not a companion to its dead parent, the Q.

Gateway displayed a similar Moxi device at the 2010 CES but its been crickets since.
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post #5714 of 5912
12/2/12 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by Operon View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Hi guys:

1.  Does the Moxi dvr have an equivalent "defrag" button or feature i could use? I've noticed the disk is getting noisy and sluggish and would like to 'clean' it up, if possible. I have a 3T version.


2.  Is there a competent replacement for the Moxi dvr on the market?


3.  PM me if you need to buy Moxi Mate. Box is open just to see what the it looked like but otherwise unused. I placed it back in its shipping box and has been there ever since.

Thanks,
David

1. The Moxi is based on embedded Linux and uses an encrypted ext3 file system that doesn't suffer from fragmentation problems that occur with FAT or NTFS formatted disks. Check to see if your disk limit is being approached as I've seen the unit act dodgy when it runs up against 99% capacity. More likely is that the disk is beginning to suffer and could die shortly. Have you had the Moxi reboot unexpectedly? Another sign that the disk is giving up the ghost. I'd replace it keeping in mind that you will loose all pre-recorded media once you install a new drive.

2. As far as replacements, the only viable thing out there is Tivo's Premier XL and the companion Ethernet based Mini IP who's availability should be announced within the next few months. Ceton's Q is all but dead following MS's lack of commitment to a new version of embedded Media Center though Media Center is available for the latest iteration of MS's OS, Windows 8. Furthermore, reading about Ceton's Echo unit in this forum has been a bit of a nightmare inasmuch as the unit appears to have been misunderstood as well as being plagued by QC problems. I guess they're trying to recoup their investment by marketing the Echo as a streaming device and not a companion to its dead parent, the Q.

Gateway displayed a similar Moxi device at the 2010 CES but its been crickets since.

 

Thanks Operon...Yes, my box reboots, it seems, for the heck of it or just for fun of ot. Is this a sign of impending disk failure? I've never had disk usage over 50% and this would only happen when i leave for long on vacations and such and don't return to watch programs for about 2 weeks or so. Typical is well under 30%.

 

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Originally Posted by Shay View Post

dmusoke,

1. Doubtful. It sounds like your hard drive might be failing. How old is your moxi?
2. TiVo and HTPC if you like to tinker. There is the announced Ceton q, but who knows when it will ship.

    Moxi is about 3 years old.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Shay View Post

dmusoke,
1. Doubtful. It sounds like your hard drive might be failing. How old is your moxi?
2. TiVo and HTPC if you like to tinker. There is the announced Ceton q, but who knows when it will ship.

Ceton killed the Q. Well, technically, Microsoft killed the embedded version of MCE that the Q was based on first, then Ceton cancelled it.

 

Thanks LongRufus!

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post #5715 of 5912
12/2/12 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Thanks Operon...Yes, my box reboots, it seems, for the heck of it or just for fun of ot. Is this a sign of impending disk failure? I've never had disk usage over 50% and this would only happen when i leave for long on vacations and such and don't return to watch programs for about 2 weeks or so. Typical is well under 30%.

    Moxi is about 3 years old.



Thanks LongRufus!

Sure sounds like a failing drive. If you want to extend your unit's life, I'd pick up one of the recommended drives listed on the Moxi Disk Replacement forum. Then you could wait until the drive finally give's up the ghost and when it does, just slap in the new drive. If you're happy with the current Moxi's drive size -- (and it seems that you are.)-- you might buying a replacement 500 GB drive ASAP, clone the old drive to the new one; return the cloned drive into the unit and you you should be good to go without losing any previously recorded media or performing a FFP reformatting.. AFIK, no one has successfully cloned an original drive to a larger sized drive. Good luck.
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post #5716 of 5912
12/3/12 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Operon View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Thanks Operon...Yes, my box reboots, it seems, for the heck of it or just for fun of ot. Is this a sign of impending disk failure? I've never had disk usage over 50% and this would only happen when i leave for long on vacations and such and don't return to watch programs for about 2 weeks or so. Typical is well under 30%.

    Moxi is about 3 years old.



Thanks LongRufus!

Sure sounds like a failing drive. If you want to extend your unit's life, I'd pick up one of the recommended drives listed on the Moxi Disk Replacement forum. Then you could wait until the drive finally give's up the ghost and when it does, just slap in the new drive. If you're happy with the current Moxi's drive size -- (and it seems that you are.)-- you might buying a replacement 500 GB drive ASAP, clone the old drive to the new one; return the cloned drive into the unit and you you should be good to go without losing any previously recorded media or performing a FFP reformatting.. AFIK, no one has successfully cloned an original drive to a larger sized drive. Good luck.

Good call Operon, thanks!

 

1.   How does one clone a Moxi drive? What tools or software is used for that?

 

2.   If i go for a bigger drive, will i loose the scheduled programming data as well? It took me a long time to program it right from the Moxi sheduler website. I know i'll lose the stored programs on the 500G drive.

 

3.  I've noticed that some of the commercials are muted. They show video but no audio. Not that i'm complaining or anything but is that normal? Once the commercials are over, then i get back the normal audio & video of my programmingsmile.gif.

 

4.  Is the HD the only thing that can fail in the Moxi? I figure it voids the warranty of you replace the drive yourself. If the drive is the only thing that fails then the loss of support from moxi isn;t that bad of deal.

 

5.   Does the 4FP still work even for the latter Moxi units?

 

Thx again!

David


Edited by dmusoke - 12/3/12 at 8:32pm
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post #5717 of 5912
12/7/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Good call Operon, thanks!

1.   How does one clone a Moxi drive? What tools or software is used for that?

2.   If i go for a bigger drive, will i loose the scheduled programming data as well? It took me a long time to program it right from the Moxi sheduler website. I know i'll lose the stored programs on the 500G drive.

3.  I've noticed that some of the commercials are muted. They show video but no audio. Not that i'm complaining or anything but is that normal? Once the commercials are over, then i get back the normal audio & video of my programming:) .

4.  Is the HD the only thing that can fail in the Moxi? I figure it voids the warranty of you replace the drive yourself. If the drive is the only thing that fails then the loss of support from moxi isn;t that bad of deal.

5.   Does the 4FP still work even for the latter Moxi units?

Thx again!
David

1. g4l can get the job done. do a search on this thread and ive mentioned it a few times.

2 .i think so. not 100% though.

3. this is not normal. check audio/sap settings.

4. hdd is the most likely thing to go out. there could be other things but it seems unlikely. however, my moms sd tivo video output is hit or miss after 5yrs but hopefully that won't happen in our case.

5. yes.
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post #5718 of 5912
12/8/12 at 7:26pm
how did u figure it out that moxi uses ext3 encrypted file system?
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post #5719 of 5912
12/8/12 at 11:28pm
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Originally Posted by contisalin View Post

how did u figure it out that moxi uses ext3 encrypted file system?
I cannot recall the exact sequence of conversations amongst forum members but embedded Linux was the first shoe to fall. That naturally limited the available file systems. There were members here who had tried a variety of drive cloning strategies to expand original drive onto a larger sized disk. The inability to read the disk's data implied that the data was encrypted. There are some other more nerdy tidbits that were deduced but I'll refrain from boring you but much of it also came from publicized Diego documents, patent filings and conversations with former Diego employees.
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post #5720 of 5912
12/9/12 at 6:37am
yap it has to be encrypted. both windows and regular Linux systems see the drive as raw with no partitions or file system on it whatsoever and ask you if you want to format it. gparted and other programs I've tried same results all see just a raw emty hdd.
NOW, when you open it with an hex editor (I used diskinternals Linux reader- a free program that allows you to read Linux file systems in windows and I used hex preview option this program has) u can actually see that is something Linux related there. also tried clonezilla to clone the hdd but failed so I'll go with g4l.
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post #5721 of 5912
12/10/12 at 6:02am
All commercial DVR drives should be encrypted to satisfy copy protection rules.
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post #5722 of 5912
12/10/12 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Good call Operon, thanks!

1.   How does one clone a Moxi drive? What tools or software is used for that?

2.   If i go for a bigger drive, will i loose the scheduled programming data as well? It took me a long time to program it right from the Moxi sheduler website. I know i'll lose the stored programs on the 500G drive.

3.  I've noticed that some of the commercials are muted. They show video but no audio. Not that i'm complaining or anything but is that normal? Once the commercials are over, then i get back the normal audio & video of my programming:) .

4.  Is the HD the only thing that can fail in the Moxi? I figure it voids the warranty of you replace the drive yourself. If the drive is the only thing that fails then the loss of support from moxi isn;t that bad of deal.

5.   Does the 4FP still work even for the latter Moxi units?

Thx again!
David

1. g4l can get the job done. do a search on this thread and ive mentioned it a few times.

2 .i think so. not 100% though.

3. this is not normal. check audio/sap settings.

4. hdd is the most likely thing to go out. there could be other things but it seems unlikely. however, my moms sd tivo video output is hit or miss after 5yrs but hopefully that won't happen in our case.

5. yes.

 

Thank you very much dz2k ... Now, is there a way to run a disk repair program on the moxi drive to isolate and/or repair bad/damaged sectors? If so, this could improve the HD lifetimes and possible eliminate the drive as a cause of unit failure.

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post #5723 of 5912
12/11/12 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Thank you very much dz2k ... Now, is there a way to run a disk repair program on the moxi drive to isolate and/or repair bad/damaged sectors? If so, this could improve the HD lifetimes and possible eliminate the drive as a cause of unit failure.

Once a drive starts to develop physical errors, it is time to replace.
The impending crash is inevitable. This is true for any hardrive.
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post #5724 of 5912
12/11/12 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by contisalin View Post

yap it has to be encrypted. both windows and regular Linux systems see the drive as raw with no partitions or file system on it whatsoever and ask you if you want to format it. gparted and other programs I've tried same results all see just a raw emty hdd.
NOW, when you open it with an hex editor (I used diskinternals Linux reader- a free program that allows you to read Linux file systems in windows and I used hex preview option this program has) u can actually see that is something Linux related there. also tried clonezilla to clone the hdd but failed so I'll go with g4l.
Thank you for your confirming contribution.

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All commercial DVR drives should be encrypted to satisfy copy protection rules.
Although as I recall when the Moxi first came out Tivo owners were claiming that they could take their drive and drop it into a PC to read the video files and were angry at Diego for designing the Moxi differently. Furthermore, (and I could be totally wrong here), but I think that the encryption key is written to the Moxi's ROM after the initial disk formatting since, as I recall, someone had tried to place a cloned drive into another Moxi and the previously recorded media wasn't available.

It really is too bad the Diego couldn't make a go of the Moxi. Let's not kid ourselves the Moxi does has issues much of which would've certainly been corrected with updates to the Moxi and the Mate had development been allowed to continue. That said, there was so much Diego got right about the Moxi. Given that Ceton's media extender, the Echo just received an abysmal review in Engadget today with its deficient 1080i playback and Tivo has yet to announce when their Ethernet-based Mini extender is coming to marker just shows how ahead of the curve the Moxi was some 3 years ago.
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post #5725 of 5912
12/11/12 at 7:06pm
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Thank you very much dz2k ... Now, is there a way to run a disk repair program on the moxi drive to isolate and/or repair bad/damaged sectors? If so, this could improve the HD lifetimes and possible eliminate the drive as a cause of unit failure.

Once a drive starts to develop physical errors, it is time to replace.
The impending crash is inevitable. This is true for any hardrive.

Back in the day, disk crashes were caused by the head scrapping the surface of the disk itself and one had to issue the 'park' command to help prevent that form happening. But modern disk drives don't do that anymore, so if a drive is going bad, apply appropriate disk repair programs such as the old Norton Disk Doctor set of utilities to isolate the bad sectors and extend the life time of the drives.

 

So Moxi has no such utilities?

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post #5726 of 5912
12/11/12 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Back in the day, disk crashes were caused by the head scrapping the surface of the disk itself and one had to issue the 'park' command to help prevent that form happening. But modern disk drives don't do that anymore, so if a drive is going bad, apply appropriate disk repair programs such as the old Norton Disk Doctor set of utilities to isolate the bad sectors and extend the life time of the drives.

So Moxi has no such utilities?
All that such tools do is manipulate the drive's bad-sector tables. The problem is, once a modern drive manifests bad sectors, it's usually due to the media surface failing - and if that happens, you'll get neighboring sectors start to fail before long as well. Mapping out the bad sectors is only a short-term fix. The only real fix is to replace the failing drive.

Google's actually done studies that have indicated that even one bad sector manifested on a drive reduces the functional lifetime of the drive to 6 months-1 year in the vast majority of cases.
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post #5727 of 5912
12/11/12 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Back in the day, disk crashes were caused by the head scrapping the surface of the disk itself and one had to issue the 'park' command to help prevent that form happening. But modern disk drives don't do that anymore, so if a drive is going bad, apply appropriate disk repair programs such as the old Norton Disk Doctor set of utilities to isolate the bad sectors and extend the life time of the drives.

So Moxi has no such utilities?

Not any that we have direct access to.
It is Linux based so who knows for sure if something is built into the code.
I have some contacts at Arris. I should pose the question...
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post #5728 of 5912
12/11/12 at 9:14pm
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Back in the day, disk crashes were caused by the head scrapping the surface of the disk itself and one had to issue the 'park' command to help prevent that form happening. But modern disk drives don't do that anymore, so if a drive is going bad, apply appropriate disk repair programs such as the old Norton Disk Doctor set of utilities to isolate the bad sectors and extend the life time of the drives.

So Moxi has no such utilities?
All that such tools do is manipulate the drive's bad-sector tables. The problem is, once a modern drive manifests bad sectors, it's usually due to the media surface failing - and if that happens, you'll get neighboring sectors start to fail before long as well. Mapping out the bad sectors is only a short-term fix. The only real fix is to replace the failing drive.

Google's actually done studies that have indicated that even one bad sector manifested on a drive reduces the functional lifetime of the drive to 6 months-1 year in the vast majority of cases.

Good to know ... thanks!

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post #5729 of 5912
12/11/12 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Back in the day, disk crashes were caused by the head scrapping the surface of the disk itself and one had to issue the 'park' command to help prevent that form happening. But modern disk drives don't do that anymore, so if a drive is going bad, apply appropriate disk repair programs such as the old Norton Disk Doctor set of utilities to isolate the bad sectors and extend the life time of the drives.

So Moxi has no such utilities?

Not any that we have direct access to.
It is Linux based so who knows for sure if something is built into the code.
I have some contacts at Arris. I should pose the question...

Cool ... please do!

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post #5730 of 5912
12/12/12 at 5:54am
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Cool ... please do!

Anyone wants to pose specific technical questions to the Arris group?
No non technical questions like "are they going to reopen the consumer market."
This will be an engineer I'll be communicating with.
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