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post #781 of 6201
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Originally Posted by convergent View Post

Of the features it lacks, I care little about the Tivo on the Go thing... more worried about the setting recordings for keywords. For example, I record all yankees games and one of my questions is to ask how that might be done with a Moxi? Yankees games come on MLB Extra Innings during the week, but on Fox, ESPN, or the networks on the weekends. Tivo seems to find them fine, but I'm concerned that it would be a nightmare with Moxi since MLB Extra Innings can be on any one of a dozen channels.

You can't. This is one of several advantages the TiVo has over Moxi.

TiVo allows you to automatically record all future programs matching a saved search (ex: all new sporting events with MLB Baseball in the title and Yankees in the description), but Moxi offers nothing similar. Moxi only allows you to create a season pass for all MLB Baseball games on a channel, which works ok if you have only one RSN that shows MLB games for one team, but doesn't help if your RSN shows games for multiple teams...or if your team's games are split across multiple channels, which also show other teams.

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Originally Posted by convergent View Post

That brings me to question number 2. Time Warner has pretty much hosed me with multi-room viewing because of their setting everything to copy once.

That's a key Moxi advantage. Moxi supports multi-room with "copy once" content, whereas TiVo does not.

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Originally Posted by convergent View Post

Moxi seems to solve that problem, but I don't know that 2 tuners will be enough to satisfy my household needs. Can a you do multi-room with 2 Moxis rather than 1 Moxi and 1 Mate. This would give me 4 tuners.

Considered the 3-tuner Moxi and 2 Mates?

Yes, Moxi also supports multi-room functionality with multiple DVRs. Keep in mind, however, that you'll need a CableCard for each DVR where you want to view encrypted cable channels.

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Originally Posted by convergent View Post

Then if I added a Mate, I assume the Mate could watch anything from either of the Moxis. So can both of those work (Moxi to Moxi, or Mate to 2 Moxis)?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by convergent View Post

So if I go with a Moxi, is there some way I could use the streaming ability to get my Yankees games from another source? Any change of using the Moxi to access MLB's subscription program?

The only other source of out-of-market games that I know of is MLB.tv.

Roku added support for MLB.tv. If DLNA PC streaming software exists with support for MLB.tv subscriptions (I don't know of any off-hand), then you should be able to view that content on the Moxi streamed from your computer. The Moxi would not be able to record those streams, but MLB.tv does allow you to rewind live games, and I believe they also allow you to watch completed games.
post #782 of 6201
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Originally Posted by convergent View Post

I'm thinking of giving a Moxi a try. Have a couple of questions.

My situation is that I've been using Tivos for several years... currently have 2 Series 2 that are ending contract next month, and one Tivo HD that is lifetime. I tried to buy a Tivo HD XL this past week and after trying 2 from Amazon, both had what appears to be a widespread problem with not being able to restart without a power cycle. I had bought lifetime on it, but ended up getting a refund and now thinking about a Moxi.

Of the features it lacks, I care little about the Tivo on the Go thing... more worried about the setting recordings for keywords. For example, I record all yankees games and one of my questions is to ask how that might be done with a Moxi? Yankees games come on MLB Extra Innings during the week, but on Fox, ESPN, or the networks on the weekends. Tivo seems to find them fine, but I'm concerned that it would be a nightmare with Moxi since MLB Extra Innings can be on any one of a dozen channels.

That brings me to question number 2. Time Warner has pretty much hosed me with multi-room viewing because of their setting everything to copy once. Moxi seems to solve that problem, but I don't know that 2 tuners will be enough to satisfy my household needs. Can a you do multi-room with 2 Moxis rather than 1 Moxi and 1 Mate. This would give me 4 tuners. Then if I added a Mate, I assume the Mate could watch anything from either of the Moxis. So can both of those work (Moxi to Moxi, or Mate to 2 Moxis)?

For question number 3, I'm looking for ideas. Time Warner has inconveniently set the MLB Extra Innings channels to copy never. That means I can't even record them and watch them on the same DVR. You can record it, but if you don't finish watching it within 90 minutes of the time it started, then it deletes it (on a Tivo). Games last longer than that so its impractical. This is Time Warner being ridiculous, but so be it. The only way to date that I can see that working is to keep a Tivo Series 2 around and pay Tivo about $150/year to keep it active so I can record SD Yankees games, even though I've already paid Time Warner more than that to access them. So if I go with a Moxi, is there some way I could use the streaming ability to get my Yankees games from another source? Any change of using the Moxi to access MLB's subscription program?

I'll try to answer the questions for you

The moxi will reboot on its own, but I have found that if I don't reboot the main machine atleast once a week it starts to really slow down, and the mate I'll reboot every couple of days since it will have some troubles finding the recordings on the main moxi.

If you look for MLB Extra Innings it can find all channels that have the program but I don't know if you have to set up a recording for each channel or if it can distinguish what MLB games are Yankee games or if it would just record all MLB games

If you have 2 regular moxies they can link together via a wired/wireless network. You can have 2 regular moxis and 2 mates and link them all together, but the more you have programs jumping through the network the higher the probability that the signal will get degraded.

Question 3 I don't really have a clue on... you're probably best off contacting moxi directly and asking them.
post #783 of 6201
Did the Z-wave home automation functionality never make it to the Moxi?
post #784 of 6201
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Originally Posted by malvado View Post

Did the Z-wave home automation functionality never make it to the Moxi?

I did not recall reading anything about that in the user guides.
post #785 of 6201
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Originally Posted by DoubleDAZ View Post

Yeah, I just had a senior moment.

I'd pull the trigger now, but I've simply spent too much money this month, and not just on Christmas, that doesn't even count. I'd also like to see what comes out of CES next month before I make a final decision. I know there is always new and better stuff coming, but there is no pressing need right now to replace my cable DVR. I want to be very sure I'll be happy with the Moxi for the next 5 years.

Trust me, I seem to have enough senior moments to last a lifetime...

I also think your caution is on target. I read that the big "new box" TiVo rumor MAY be a new DirectTV specific box. I'm pretty convinced their price drops were 100% a reaction to Moxi dropping pricing.

Moxi was just acquired by Arris, so I'd guess it should be good for the next year or two. The way I would evaluate for me, I'd want it to be a real ... as I understand what that really means, I think if Moxi goes bust, as long as the box works, it CAN simply use the cable ops IPG, so you can still "stay in business" as a DVR user. Right now, if Moxi goes out, the box becomes a doorstop. Of course, I could be wrong, but that is who I understand these issues.

Not to mention that personal financial health also plays a big role. A decade ago I could spring for the money with nary a concern. NOW is a whole 'nother story!
post #786 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

Right now, if Moxi goes out, the box becomes a doorstop. Of course, I could be wrong, but that is who I understand these issues.

Not true. The guide data could still be provided by the provider of this information (e.g. Tribune) and they're not connected with Moxi.
post #787 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Not true. The guide data could still be provided by the provider of this information (e.g. Tribune) and they're not connected with Moxi.

Yeah, however this is dependent on Moxi opening up their software to allow the system to get the data from somewhere else. Furthermore.. the data may need to be reparsed to the right format. If Moxi does fail financially, it will probably be ugly. Hopefully they plan an end of life plan for us faithful users.
post #788 of 6201
Another thing about Moxi that bugs me is that you are only able to view public Flickr pictures. In other words if your picture is private to friends and family, you will be unable to put this stream them to the Moxi.
post #789 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Not true. The guide data could still be provided by the provider of this information (e.g. Tribune) and they're not connected with Moxi.

Moxi pays a recurring fee to Tribune for the guide data on every DVR. Like TiVo, they reformat Tribune's guide data into a format suitable for their DVRs. Tribune itself does not offer the guide data in a compatible format.

Arris purchased Moxi to incorporate its DVR software into a new home gateway product for cable companies, so it's entirely possible that solution will use the same Tribune guide data delivered by the same servers. If that turns out to be the case, then there would be less upkeep cost associated with the retail Moxis.

Note there is no source of free guide data for commercial cable products.

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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

I read that the big "new box" TiVo rumor MAY be a new DirectTV specific box. I'm pretty convinced their price drops were 100% a reaction to Moxi dropping pricing.

I don't doubt that the TiVo price drop is related to the Moxi drop. That said, the TiVo DVR being rolled out for Best Buy (and RCN) in early 2010 is entirely separate from the new DirecTiVo being prepared for DirecTV.

TiVo's CEO recently mentioned that new user interface features and a new remote with an integrated keyboard were in the works. TiVo also alluded to a design that would reduce the cost of upgrading Series2 owners to HD. They have not said anything about extenders or extra tuners.

If you are looking at Moxi for its true HD UI or its multi-room streaming to other DVRs, then I'm not sure those will remain Moxi exclusives for much longer. If you are looking at Moxi because of the HD extenders, or its better liveTV experience, then I don't see TiVo matching that anytime soon. Disclaimer: This is all speculation on my part.
post #790 of 6201
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

don't doubt that the TiVo price drop is related to the Moxi drop. That said, the TiVo DVR being rolled out for Best Buy (and RCN) in early 2010 is entirely separate from the new DirecTiVo being prepared for DirecTV.

TiVo's CEO recently mentioned new user interface features and a new remote with an integrated keyboard were in the works. TiVo also alluded to a design that would reduce the cost of upgrading Series2 owners to HD. They have not said anything about extenders or extra tuners.

If you are looking at Moxi for its true HD UI or its multi-room streaming to other DVRs, then I'm not sure those will remain Moxi exclusives for much longer. If you are looking at Moxi because of the HD extenders, or its better liveTV experience, then I don't see TiVo matching that anytime soon. Disclaimer: This is all speculation on my part.

Thanks for the info...
post #791 of 6201
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

As soon as you plug in the TA, the Moxi deactivates the third tuner (except in hardware diagnostic reporting) and acts as if it only has two. There is no way to access the third tuner.

As a reminder, the two-tuner limitation is specific to the Cisco STA1520 tuning adapter.

Whenever you connect a tuning adapter for SDV, Moxi checks to see how many tuners it supports. When it supports two, Moxi disables the third-tuner as per the SDV TA spec. When it supports at least three, as in the case of the Motorola MTR700 tuning adapter, then the Moxi can use all of its tuners.
post #792 of 6201
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

I don't doubt that the TiVo price drop is related to the Moxi drop. That said, the TiVo DVR being rolled out for Best Buy (and RCN) in early 2010 is entirely separate from the new DirecTiVo being prepared for DirecTV.

TiVo's CEO recently mentioned that new user interface features and a new remote with an integrated keyboard were in the works. TiVo also alluded to a design that would reduce the cost of upgrading Series2 owners to HD. They have not said anything about extenders or extra tuners.

That is exactly the info I've heard too. I also heard the the cable Tivo will be tru2way and backward compatible so everyone can use it even if tru2way is not implemented yet.

AFAIK, Tivo remains close to the vest financially and that concern rolls over onto Moxi. If Arris doesn't successfully integrate Moxi into it's product line, then Moxi will be in a bit of a bind too. I guess it's all a crap-shoot because there is always the potential for someone to offer a better product.
post #793 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Not true. The guide data could still be provided by the provider of this information (e.g. Tribune) and they're not connected with Moxi.

I doubt it... I'd guess Moxi buys it from Tribune and provides the method for it to get distributed. Do you think Tribune wants to fund and create a bunch of data centers to distribute this info?

Look, I am ONLY speculating in some worst case scenarios... none of which MAY ever happen. BUT we all SHOULD be aware of any possible consequences... after all, many of us are not near as cash flush as we were 5 years ago!
post #794 of 6201
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

...That said, the TiVo DVR being rolled out for Best Buy (and RCN) in early 2010 is entirely separate from the new DirecTiVo being prepared for DirecTV.

Ah, so the BB retail one is separate (haven't caught anything about such an animal). Is it supposed to be a newly designed box, or is it simple a new sales outlet?
post #795 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

Ah, so the BB retail one is separate (haven't caught anything about such an animal). Is it supposed to be a newly designed box, or is it simple a new sales outlet?

Yes. Best Buy is not a new sales outlet for TiVo. It's a new product. We don't know anything beyond what I mentioned and linked above. Presumably, we'll learn more at CES.

Further discussion of TiVo that doesn't involve some sort of Moxi comparison is probably better left to another thread.
post #796 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

I doubt it... I'd guess Moxi buys it from Tribune and provides the method for it to get distributed. Do you think Tribune wants to fund and create a bunch of data centers to distribute this info?

Look, I am ONLY speculating in some worst case scenarios... none of which MAY ever happen. BUT we all SHOULD be aware of any possible consequences... after all, many of us are not near as cash flush as we were 5 years ago!

While you can't say anything for sure, there is a precedent: ReplayTV boxes still get their guide updates.
post #797 of 6201
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Originally Posted by PedjaR View Post

While you can't say anything for sure, there is a precedent: ReplayTV boxes still get their guide updates.

Wow, I did not know that. How can that be?

I ask only because it would be interesting to see if Moxi can fall into the same thing; it COULD obviate my "become a doorstop" possibility.

Wonder what installed base numbers may be for Replay & Moxi AND TiVo?
post #798 of 6201
Perhaps even more surprising is that the early ReplayTV boxes that require a dial-up connection still work.
post #799 of 6201
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Originally Posted by Riverside_Guy View Post

Wow, I did not know that. How can that be?

I ask only because it would be interesting to see if Moxi can fall into the same thing; it COULD obviate my "become a doorstop" possibility.

The majority of ReplayTV subscribers pay monthly or yearly subscription fees. That made them valuable, and that is why they were sold. At a cost of around $2.00/mo to license and supply the guide data, a subscription fee of $12.99/mo is profitable for a company with few other expenses.

The company that took over the subscription service continues to provide guide service to ReplayTV users with lifetime subscriptions. They couldn't shutoff existing lifetime subs and then expect to sell new lifetime subs.

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Originally Posted by phousley View Post

Perhaps even more surprising is that the early ReplayTV boxes that require a dial-up connection still work.

TiVo and ReplayTV's provider both pay dial-up ISPs to allow their boxes to make those connections.

Moxi does not pay for dial-up ISPs, so given an equivalent number of users, it should cost them somewhat less to deliver guide data.
post #800 of 6201
Does everyone on FiOS have the HD .tv channels show up as Local Origination programming in the guide?
post #801 of 6201
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Originally Posted by malvado View Post

Does everyone on FiOS have the HD .tv channels show up as Local Origination programming in the guide?

Yes. Only Verizon's boxes offer information on the six .TV channels. That said, Verizon offers very limited information for those six channels; Verizon lists the same programs over and over with the same generic descriptions. See for yourself (must login to Verizon.com).
post #802 of 6201
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The majority of ReplayTV subscribers pay monthly or yearly subscription fees. That made them valuable, and that is why they were sold. At a cost of around $2.00/mo to license and supply the guide data, a subscription fee of $12.99/mo is profitable for a company with few other expenses.

The company that took over the subscription service continues to provide guide service to ReplayTV users with lifetime subscriptions. They couldn't shutoff existing lifetime subs and then expect to sell new lifetime subs.

TiVo and ReplayTV's provider both pay dial-up ISPs to allow their boxes to make those connections.

Moxi does not pay for dial-up ISPs, so given an equivalent number of users, it should cost them somewhat less to deliver guide data.

Have you ever seen break-out numbers for ReplayTV sub fees? From the earliest RTV2001 through the Pansonic ReplayTVs all the way to RTV4000s, ReplayTV's service fee was part of the purchase price. RTV4500, 5000, and 5500 pricing changed to TiVo's model of separate service fees but Lifetime Service remains an option even today for all ReplayTVs.
http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/sup..._downloads.asp
http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/sup...activation.asp

DNNA still provides service and support for ReplayTV even now after the patents were sold to DirecTV.
http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/about/replaytv/
http://www.dm-holdings.com/eng/newsr...71213_245.html

And yes, there are parallels between ReplayTV and Moxi. Both are credible alternatives, offering DVR service with a different focus than TiVo, one in standard-def, the other in high-def. Neither works as well as TiVo, which still remains the Gold Standard of stability and reliability, but a given user may consider the trade-off a worthwhile compromise.

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I use both TiVo and Moxi as 'headends' supplying signal paths to DVD recorders with long recording buffers similiar to a DVR without an EPG and then on to a ReplayTV4500 which can be switched to either source. ReplayTV still offers the most functional and legible EPG which, at the end of the signal chain, doesn't interfere with any ongoing recording. The 4500 has a Bypass mode which eliminates any delay when using the EPG. Its 12 hour+ recording buffer is the final backup.

For my purposes TiVo is more useful than Moxi when used to head a signal chain but as a standalone recorder Moxi would be a better compromise. Now that Comcast has scrambled all digital channels above Limited Basic, Moxi's QAM channel mapping when used without a cableCARD is only useful to provide hi-def EPG data for OTA simulcasts. I got an 'M' CableCARD for TiVo which accesses everything I sub to from Comcast.
post #803 of 6201
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Yes. Only Verizon's boxes offer information on the six .TV channels. That said, Verizon offers very limited information for those six channels; Verizon lists the same programs over and over with the same generic descriptions. See for yourself (must login to Verizon.com).

I agree that the listings are worthless for those channels. but i'd at least like to see what channel each is so i can tune to them if i like.

I don't suppose there's a way to edit the channel entries.
post #804 of 6201
Read some interesting speculation... Motorola seems to be shopping it's STB unit and apparently, Arris has expressed interest.
post #805 of 6201
What is the proper way to wire a SDV tuning adapter AND analog adapter (hauppaugel) with the moxi? If I hook up each one by themself, they work great, but not together.

I've tried several combinations, with brief success and then nothing.

I have a 2-tuner moxi. I noticed that if I record an analog channel, the moxi also lets me record 2 digital channels. Three recordings at once! However, while recording the single analog channel, I can not even watch another analog channel.
post #806 of 6201
Did anyone get a Moxi for Christmas?
post #807 of 6201
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Originally Posted by acaoacao View Post

Did anyone get a Moxi for Christmas?

My wife did.

Course I set it up. initial comments are:
1.Better with cable card then without.
2.Remote use is good but I continuely mix up the top controls with the record controls at bottom. Two trips to comcast to get a good card!
3. not sure ya need ethernet connectivity unless you really want the online stuff.
4. recording is easy and interface is very intuitive.
5. very quite operation, unit is in bedroom, but I can hear very slight running of hard drive after shut off and going to sleep, not distracting.
6. LED shut off is good feature, allows dark room to stay dark, no distracting lights.
More later
Mike
post #808 of 6201
Now don't you need a Internet connection to get the TV guide data and updates from Moxi? I'm going to order one Monday and really don't want to mess with a router if I don't have to.
post #809 of 6201
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Originally Posted by ozark View Post

Now don't you need a Internet connection to get the TV guide data and updates from Moxi? I'm going to order one Monday and really don't want to mess with a router if I don't have to.

Yes you do. No guide info without the network and you'll need it as soon as you power up the box to download the latest software update too.
post #810 of 6201
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Originally Posted by sticks2971 View Post

What is the proper way to wire a SDV tuning adapter AND analog adapter (hauppaugel) with the moxi? If I hook up each one by themself, they work great, but not together.

As far as I know, you can't. You lose all analog channels and analog support when the SDV tuning adapter is installed. Digital versions of channels 1-100 should replace the analog versions.

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Originally Posted by sticks2971 View Post

I have a 2-tuner moxi. I noticed that if I record an analog channel, the moxi also lets me record 2 digital channels. Three recordings at once! However, while recording the single analog channel, I can not even watch another analog channel.

That's because the Hauppauge analog "dongle" only has one analog tuner, not two. Moxi will never record more than one analog channel at a time with the current dongle.
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