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post #1801 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post

Thanks for the response in regards to the splitter, I had read that splitters could add their own artifacts but wasn't sure that was correct..
In terms of headphone amps, I really have to disagree with you and let me put it this way - "in my opinion," while I really enjoy peachtree as a system, the headphone amp is leaves much to be desired. In addition, while tubes can add coloration in any amplification setting the type of tubes you use determine the amount of coloration (my WA6SE with my tubes is as neutral as I've heard it with a dead quiet in the noise floor).. I have used several other amps in the past from Alo Audio and Schiit both solid state and hybrid and there is no denying a dedicated headphone amplifier especially well built one will produce a much audio experience.
Also, IMO the peachtree doesn't produce enough juice to drive demanding headphones like the Beyerdynamic T1 or HD800 to their full potential and I have experienced noticeable upward scaling with more power and better amps. To be clear I dont enjoy coloration and I do agree that the HDP is a cold/treble heavy sounding headphone amplifier/dac (I did not like it very much) but the clarity, soundstage, and instrument separation that Woo, Schiit, Alo, and Eddie Current amps produce are leaps and bounds beyond what I hear from the peachtree headphone amp on my decco2 - some may have colorations but the point is that a high end dedicated headphone amp will do everything better (treble is more accurate, mids are more natural, bass is more controlled and soundstage is expanded horizontally and vertically). That said, for someone that doesnt listen to headphones that much or doesn't care and is more focused on speakers its a great setup; the exact reason I am considering purchasing another one - its just a really great package. I just prefer to have a better headphone experience so I purchased a separate amp for that.
Finally in response to your coloration comment - I would not consider the headphone amp section in the peachtree neutral; it sways towards the warmer side with a slight emphasis on bass and thus is colored - its not a reference grade headphone amp and to be fair peachtree never claimed that, but since you didn't state that you have any actual experience with Woo Audio headphone amps there is lacking justification for your comment on my personal preferences and equipment. No hard feelings, just wanted to clear that up and thank you for the input.

No hard feelings. We just have a difference of opinion. smile.gif

I have some experience with the WA6 + Senn HD 600 and i find it a terrific, fun, dynamic combination. Not neutral by any means, but very lively and enjoyable.

My experience with the Schiit Asgard and Peachtree Nova found the two virtually indistiguishable with the same HD600's as well as my D7000's.

Lots of explanations for why this could be, but I'll chalk it up to personal bias, expectations, taste, biology, diet, sleep, etc biggrin.gif

Good luck and have fun with whatever you decide on next! Enjoy!
post #1802 of 2008
If you think the headphone amp in the Nova isn't good enough for you, then you need a better DAC. In my testing, the headphone amp in the Nova was the best part of it the unit. The DAC's ok, but there's better out there. With cans like the Fostex TH900, it makes little sense to me to hang on to the Nova which is going to be a weak link in your chain.

If you don't need USB, you'd be significantly better off with the Cary Xciter DAC, maybe pairing it with an Xciter headphone amp . If you are using USB, you might want to wait until April for the next iteration of Cary's DACs. Or you could check out Wyred4Sound. Either should be better than Schiit or Peachtree. Comparing my original Nova to the Xciter DAC on USB, there's no question that the Cary has the edge. I have to say that I loved the number of digital and analog inputs on the Nova although that's history now.
post #1803 of 2008
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Originally Posted by intermediatic View Post

If you think the headphone amp in the Nova isn't good enough for you, then you need a better DAC. In my testing, the headphone amp in the Nova was the best part of it the unit. The DAC's ok, but there's better out there. With cans like the Fostex TH900, it makes little sense to me to hang on to the Nova which is going to be a weak link in your chain.
If you don't need USB, you'd be significantly better off with the Cary Xciter DAC, maybe pairing it with an Xciter headphone amp . If you are using USB, you might want to wait until April for the next iteration of Cary's DACs. Or you could check out Wyred4Sound. Either should be better than Schiit or Peachtree. Comparing my original Nova to the Xciter DAC on USB, there's no question that the Cary has the edge. I have to say that I loved the number of digital and analog inputs on the Nova although that's history now.

I could understand the previous iteration of the Nova having a now dated dac but are you referring to the new Nova125 as having a weak dac as well? From my readings The ESS Sabre 9023 is supposed to be an excellent offering, 6moons also said great things about the Dac in the previous Nova (which was the same as the one in my decco2), that was a few years ago and times gone forward but I figured Peachtree was doing a good job in keeping the dac and speaker amp up to date. I have not heard of the Cary but I would need a USB.

I could go ahead and get a bunch of separate components but I really do like the way peachtree puts everything in one tidy good looking and well made box. Eventually I may upgrade to a grand prix but for now I was looking at the Nova 125, just had that pre-out issue.
post #1804 of 2008
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

No hard feelings. We just have a difference of opinion. smile.gif
I have some experience with the WA6 + Senn HD 600 and i find it a terrific, fun, dynamic combination. Not neutral by any means, but very lively and enjoyable.
My experience with the Schiit Asgard and Peachtree Nova found the two virtually indistiguishable with the same HD600's as well as my D7000's.
Lots of explanations for why this could be, but I'll chalk it up to personal bias, expectations, taste, biology, diet, sleep, etc biggrin.gif
Good luck and have fun with whatever you decide on next! Enjoy!

-cheers wink.gif
post #1805 of 2008
I have an Oppo BDP-95, which has a Sabre 9018. According to some sources the 9018 is better than the 9023. There's little question to me that the Cary is superior to the 9018 which is superior to the 9006 in the Nova. And the Cary is just one of a number of options out there.

The Nova is cute, but if someone is spending $2k on headphones, they should think twice.

If you're thinking of using the Nova as an amp, forget it unless your speakers have really low demands. I had the Nova going to my B&W 601's and found it underpowered. A cheap and effective solution was to use the Nova as a preamp, replacing the amp stage with one, or better yet, two Adcom 545s. That opened up the sound, giving it much more dynamic range. Even my wife agreed it sounded way better. Talk about a tweak. $150 for night and day.

It's nice to have everything in one box, but it's nicer to have it all sound great.
post #1806 of 2008
Wow.. can't believe the 9023 can be made into such a small cheap package.. saw this on head-fi

http://www.head-fi.org/t/626632/tiny-dac-big-sound-impression-of-stoner-acoustics-ud100-vs-odac

I may look towards the 9018, the Cary just wouldn't work for me - unfortunately.
post #1807 of 2008
I really don't get the whole DAC thing.

For me, a DAC is a component that doesn't shine, it simply does no harm. If the ESS 9006 (with quality implementation) sounds great, then the 9023 shouldn't sound any better. After my last headphone meet, I met up with a guy in town who has a recording studio and works in the recording industry. We set up double-blind listening test with my Squeezebox Touch, a Cambridge Audio DacMagic, Violectric V800, and a Benchmark DAC1 (along with a variety of head amps and integrated (speaker) amps). Headphones used were Denon D7000, D2000, Sennheiser HD 600, and two pairs of HiFiMAN HE-500's.

Bottom line? Nobody could tell the high end DACs apart from the $200 Squeezebox analog output.

There are so many parts of the chain where changes can bring significant change/improvement to sound quality. IMO, the DAC is not one of them.
post #1808 of 2008
Full agreement palmfish, but I just think some people are in too far deep with their conception of what is important in this hobby to turn back now. Too much time, too much investment, both financial and intellectual, that no amount of evidence or quality of argument will work for them. The only chance might be to do as you had done. Compare them directly, properly controlled and discover how easily "very obvious" differences can dissipate when assorted non-audio specific cues are removed and volume levels are *precisely* matched. Of course, some will then blame the nature of the test itself because they cannot accept the wide gulf between the two results, before (clear difference) and after (little-to-no difference). Psychics also blame the inadequacy of such testing too when they fail at them. Is that really the company that audiophiles want to keep? tongue.gif
post #1809 of 2008
yeah, um...sounds real scientific... love all these impromptu "double blind" tests (which are never double blind). it's also interesting that bias only affects those who do hear differences in gear, while those who believe all electronics sound the same are immune from such psychosomatic afflictions.
post #1810 of 2008
A/B testing is a very difficult thing - grading top tier audio equipment is also difficult... there is always that saying the higher up you go the less you get back. the Fostex TH900s vs the D7000s is a great example. I loved the D7000s but the Fostex are much better headphones, they are not $1300+ better but they are noticeably better. So then it goes down to how much you're willing to pay.

As far as Dacs go, every setup I have heard and owned has been coupled with an amp, I've never tried changing the amp to see how the dac performs, so I liked palmfish's post, whether or not its scientific or 100% accurate its a account of someone who actually tried a few dacs and didn't see much of a difference - all opinions welcome biggrin.gif.
post #1811 of 2008
each dac chip has different attributes that makes each one ideal for different situations. Someone with a noisy computer and usb might want a 9018 because of its ability to drop jitter. It's also good for a cd player because of jitter. If someone was to be pulling music from a squeezebox touch which has no fan and music is pulled via ethernet or flash drives and sending it to the dac via coax then jitter is not something to worry about. Some dac's like the benchmarc have a very high frequency range. Dac's like the NAD M51 resample the signal to 35bit 844khz signal and keep the signal in a digital domain all the way to the output so that there is a lot of headroom for dsp-volume control with a very high signal to noise ratio . A good processor is need too. There's a lot of information to calculate and having a fast processor is needed so nothing gets missed.
post #1812 of 2008
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Originally Posted by speavler View Post

yeah, um...sounds real scientific... love all these impromptu "double blind" tests (which are never double blind). it's also interesting that bias only affects those who do hear differences in gear, while those who believe all electronics sound the same are immune from such psychosomatic afflictions.

Consider the following:

(1) The concept that many electronic components are sonically indistinguishable came as an unexpected and unhappy surprise to many of the original folks who started out doing very rigorous audio DBTs back in the 1970s.

(2) Many DBTs with "Sounds the same"outcomes have been done over the years using "Everything sounds different true believers" as the listeners, using their systems, using their favorite recordings.

(3) DBTs of DACs are among the easiest of all audio component comparisons to do correctly.

(4) If you look at the specs of modern DAC chips, even relatively low cost chips that feature 8 discrete outputs for < $3 have specs that scream "I am sonically transparent" to anybody who is knowledgeable about psychoacoustics.
post #1813 of 2008
i was randomly thinking about my post a few minutes ago while getting out of my car and thought to myself, (even though i am not an engineer)" i can't believe how much something so simple in terms of computer engineering could cost so much." like i said, i'm not an engineer but seriously, the cost for what it is mechanically is pretty ridiculous.
i mean if this hobby didn't draw in the money it did and hi definition audio conversion was part of every computer, they could probably create a badass dac and throw it in for next to nothing
post #1814 of 2008
I am strongly considering getting a Peachtree Dac-it, and wondered if the Peachtree Audio X1, Musical Fidelity V-link, Wyred4sound ulink, ect., would be of any benefit with it, or is it just fine as-is?
post #1815 of 2008
I get the same sound out of my dac*it with usb as i do with opt of coax out as long as i'm using kernel streaming.
No need to buy a usb to opt adapter
post #1816 of 2008
I am looking for the best solution for iPod/iPhone hookup to the nova 125. The aux input will be used for a TT. I suppose a good option is going optical using a Pure I-20, for the price, it looks good. However, I have an Apple TV on another floor, good wifi in the home. Would it be advantageous to get another apple tv or express?- instead of the pure?
post #1817 of 2008
Peachtree answers my question. http://www.peachtreeaudio.com/computer-audio/airplay.html/

Cheers all
post #1818 of 2008
edit update.

Knowing that I needed a good integrated to make music with with a very thirsty speaker, I was contemplating a full week or more on various options.
Finally, "jackfish" recommended that I strongly consider going with a Peachtree b/c of my list of requirements.
After chatting with Anthony at Hifi House, I made the decision that jackfish was right. So I ordered a Nova 125. He will be ordering it from PTA on Monday.
Edited by RyanA3 - 2/18/13 at 3:59pm
post #1819 of 2008
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Originally Posted by RyanA3 View Post

I have a set of B&W 686 bookshelf size speakers on the way. I auditioned them in a decent room, tried other speakers, felt these were great for the money. That was when my budget for this "office setup" was around $1000 total.

- 84 db sensitivity - dome tweeter - 25w to 100w @ 8ohm on unclipped
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/600_Series/686.html

Knowing that I needed a good integrated to make music with them, I was contemplating a full week.
Finally, "jackfish" recommended that I strongly consider going with a Peachtree b/c of my list of requirements.
After chatting with Anthony at Hifi House, I made the decision that jackfish was right. So I ordered a Nova 125. He will be ordering it from PTA on Monday.

My question now is this, normally you audition and purchase speakers first, then the power.
In my case, I did that, but didn't receive them yet, and I will have 30 days with the 686, money back.
Should I consider the D5 now? The 685 is probably too big for my office. The CM1 would do, double the price of the 686, yet, it's only money.
I do not want to upgrade in 3 months. I'd rather handle this during my trial period.
I need good low end b/c right now, I'm going to try to do this without a sub.

Sources: I listen to mostly vinyl. VPI Traveler with a blue 2M. I have a Cambridge 651P preamp. I also listen to my iPod, often, for convenience.
Music: Indie rock the most. Some classic rock. And jazz.
Room: This setup is for a room that is 14x12 and carpeted. I have a 3.1 and 5.1 in other rooms.
Full photo tour in my sig link.

Thx for reading and for any insight. Cheers

Of those speaker options I would have gone with the 685s. They are quite large for a desk setup however. Have you considered the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1s? They have decent low-end for a book shelf speaker and are great for near-field use. A piano black pair will only set you back $798.
post #1820 of 2008
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Of those speaker options I would have gone with the 685s. They are quite large for a desk setup however. Have you considered the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1s? They have decent low-end for a book shelf speaker and are great for near-field use. A piano black pair will only set you back $798.

They are huge for a 5 1/4 wow, look amazing thx. The hunt continues!
post #1821 of 2008
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

great for near-field use

such a great comment, I need to keep that in mind.

on my list at the moment:

B&W CDM-1NT
B&W 685, (may be too big though)
Sonus Faber Toy BL Mini Bookshelf
Paradigm studio 10 v5
kef XQ-20
kef LS-50

the 686 is ported to the back, so I don't think I will be considering these any more.
the toys prolly are as well.
Edited by RyanA3 - 2/18/13 at 11:14am
post #1822 of 2008
As long as you have 2-3 in behind the speaker rear ported should be fine. Also, the Sierra-1s can be purchased with Q-plugs (two types, one lowers the port tune frequency by 10 Hz, the other modifies the bass alignment). I believe B&W speakers come with port plugs as well. They're perfect for situations in which you will have little space behind the speaker.
post #1823 of 2008
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Sierra-1s can be purchased with Q-plugs

thx I am reading more about these now. some very strong reviews.
I am leaning towards the studio 10s. Will audition them this week at a local store.
will be tough to find the Sierra, to audition.
that is why I was so strong on the b&w originally, easy for me to audition.
I strongly believe in getting personal with speakers before buying, not just the www research!
thx for all of your replies!!
post #1824 of 2008
No problem. Of course you want to audition speakers before purchasing. wink.gif If you could find an owner of the Sierras in your area that would be one option. Another would be to audition them at home and take advantage of the 30-day satisfaction guarantee. Good luck with your search.
post #1825 of 2008
Today was a fun day
post #1826 of 2008
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post #1827 of 2008
love those big audition days! What did you think of the Kef''s and are those Signature paradigms or studios? What did you think of them compared to the kef's?
post #1828 of 2008
Studios. The Kef LS50 is ridiculous!!!!! Wow what an amazingly, full sound from a mini!
post #1829 of 2008
Lol, that's what i hear. I'm partial to the R300 myself but have never heard the ls50
post #1830 of 2008
From the pic, that looks like a "kid in a candy store" kind of experience. wink.gif
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