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post #211 of 2008
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Originally Posted by kwkshift View Post

It will work fine. If it's not listed in the Harmony database, you can simply teach the commands to the remote while it's plugged into your computer. I had to do that with my Nevo Q50. It should only take a couple of minutes since there aren't that many commands anyway.

Thanks. I actually had to program in a few commands for the Onkyo 9555 I'm using. A bit of a pain, but doable.

Actually just ordered my unit and will get it next week.

I know pricing, etc. isn't supposed to be mentioned in these thread, so won't mention anything specific, but I'll just say if anyone is considering buying a unit (or really anything at all for that matter), try Bing Shopping first.

They have a Bing Cashback program on there that you sign up for with a Hotmail address and there aresome pretty good deals (AT&T is 30% off!) and a few dealers had some cashback programs on the unit.

Anyway, I actually ended up calling one of those dealers with a question and when he wanted the order I'd asked if he'd match the cashback, and he actually made a much, much better offer so I bought it on the spot.

Looking forward to getting it and hopefully it won't disappoint.

One question for owners (and audiophiles in general): What do you recommend for better digital audio: coax or optical? I know the unit has a few of both, just not sure what cables I should buy for my components.
post #212 of 2008
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Originally Posted by tombonneau View Post

Thanks for posting this. Very good review. I'm assuming by your DJ user name you listen to lots of electronic music (which is what I listen to almost exclusively). The Nova handles electronic stuff as well as "organic" music? Better?

Good question. On the whole electronic music doesn't benefit as much from the Nova as jazz and rock. However, there are exceptions. The more experimental stuff I listen too, like Autechre, Monolake, Plastikman, and any well produced music like that sounds great, and the Nova brings out the space in the music very well. Pure house, techno, jungle, and the like sound good too, but you'll notice they are flat and lack a certain three-dimensional quality. I think that maybe it's just not as well produced, and producers don't think of soundstage when they make or record the music.
post #213 of 2008
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Originally Posted by tombonneau View Post

One question for owners (and audiophiles in general): What do you recommend for better digital audio: coax or optical? I know the unit has a few of both, just not sure what cables I should buy for my components.

Many opinions on what's better, but coax is usually preferred because it is supposed to be less prone to jitter. You can also buy a decent coax cable for much less than a decent glass toslink cable. I use the monoprice premium coax cable which is dirt cheap and uses rg6 coax.
post #214 of 2008
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Originally Posted by djmicromix View Post

Good question. On the whole electronic music doesn't benefit as much from the Nova as jazz and rock. However, there are exceptions. The more experimental stuff I listen too, like Autechre, Monolake, Plastikman, and any well produced music like that sounds great, and the Nova brings out the space in the music very well. Pure house, techno, jungle, and the like sound good too, but you'll notice they are flat and lack a certain three-dimensional quality. I think that maybe it's just not as well produced, and producers don't think of soundstage when they make or record the music.

Thanks. I'm def. noticing that a lot of electronic tracks (more dance floor oriented) don't blow me away, and as you said are flat and lack of a feeling of space, but when I listen to something like Aphex Twin, or BT's "This Binary Universe" (amazing recording in 5.1) or even the new Moby, the sound is much more impressive and "spacy." William Orbit is another good one.
post #215 of 2008
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Originally Posted by johsti View Post

Many opinions on what's better, but coax is usually preferred because it is supposed to be less prone to jitter. You can also buy a decent coax cable for much less than a decent glass toslink cable. I use the monoprice premium coax cable which is dirt cheap and uses rg6 coax.

Thanks. Planned on buying some stuff from Monoprice, bought my HDMI cables from them and am plenty happy. Looks like I'll go optical for my Airport Express (only option) and coax for any other digital components.
post #216 of 2008
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Originally Posted by tombonneau View Post

Thanks. Planned on buying some stuff from Monoprice, bought my HDMI cables from them and am plenty happy. Looks like I'll go optical for my Airport Express (only option) and coax for any other digital components.

I did find a good deal on a glass optical cable from this website.

http://www.uniqueproductsonline.com/gltodiopca.html

I'm using it with my PS3 and am very happy with it. The same seller also has an eb@y store under the same name. Should work well with your AE.
post #217 of 2008
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Originally Posted by johsti View Post

I did find a good deal on a glass optical cable from this website.

http://www.uniqueproductsonline.com/gltodiopca.html

I'm using it with my PS3 and am very happy with it. The same seller also has an eb@y store under the same name. Should work well with your AE.

For the AE, there is a mini-out, so I think I need mini toslink optical I would use this from the site you recommended:

http://www.uniqueproductsonline.com/6fttodiauca.html

At least that's what it looks like to me?
post #218 of 2008
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Originally Posted by tombonneau View Post

For the AE, there is a mini-out, so I think I need mini toslink optical I would use this from the site you recommended:

http://www.uniqueproductsonline.com/6fttodiauca.html

At least that's what it looks like to me?

Just get a mini toslink adapter like this and use any cable you want.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...TOKEN=57994940
post #219 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Tme_2_Ride View Post

Are there going to be Nova & speaker package deals like I've seen for the Decco? ie. combining the Nova with the DS4.5's.

We're working on a pair of DS5.5 to go w/ the Nova. I should get the samples this week and if all goes well we should go into production before the end of the year.
As well, we should have the Decco2 before the end of year that will be paired w/ the DS4.5.
I'll let you know better when we get a little closer.
Best wishes,
David
post #220 of 2008
Has anyone tried the Nova driving D5's and, in parallel, a pair of passive subwoofers? Does the Nova have enough juice for this? Some passive SW makers claim that pairing their subs with monitors in parallel makes everything easier to drive for the amp by presenting a more consistent impedance. Any comments?
post #221 of 2008
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Originally Posted by rwinner View Post

Has anyone tried the Nova driving D5's and, in parallel, a pair of passive subwoofers? Does the Nova have enough juice for this? Some passive SW makers claim that pairing their subs with monitors in parallel makes everything easier to drive for the amp by presenting a more consistent impedance. Any comments?

Not sure who the sub manufacturer would be who said "everything would be easier to drive would be...
Depending on the impedance of the sub, this could be bad. The D5 starts out at about 6ohms...If the sub is stable @ 6 ohms, this would present the Nova w/ a 3ohm load in parallel.

I would suggest a powered sub which will present no extra work for the amplifier.
There are a lot of subs out there that will allow a high level (speaker level) input that will cut off when you have your headphones plugged in.

Hope this helps,
David Solomon
post #222 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Era Design View Post

Not sure who the sub manufacturer would be who said "everything would be easier to drive would be...
Depending on the impedance of the sub, this could be bad. The D5 starts out at about 6ohms...If the sub is stable @ 6 ohms, this would present the Nova w/ a 3ohm load in parallel.

I would suggest a powered sub which will present no extra work for the amplifier.
There are a lot of subs out there that will allow a high level (speaker level) input that will cut off when you have your headphones plugged in.

Hope this helps,
David Solomon

Ok thanks, David. I was skeptical of this claim. But it may be true that the sub has a lower impedance variance over its range than the main does over its range and thus provides less variance of the parallel sum (1/(1/r1+1/r2+...+1/rn)). However, the impedance has to be lower than that of the original main no matter what you add in parallel, and it is probably too low, as you point out. I think the claim is made by Voce Divina, a company in Utah, but I may have misunderstood.
post #223 of 2008
Nice little write up in the new Stereophile, with the Nova on the cover "NOT your father's integrated amp"
post #224 of 2008
Has anybody compared this unit to say, Sim Audio Moon i1, Naim Nait 5i or the new Creek Evo 2 (can be had new for under $900)? I am considering those options as well to pair w/ Dynaudio 220 II's Thanks...
post #225 of 2008
looking at peachtree also to hook up to my Mac to play audio files. Any opinions on the sound from ITunes.
post #226 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Era Design View Post

We're working on a pair of DS5.5 to go w/ the Nova. I should get the samples this week and if all goes well we should go into production before the end of the year.
As well, we should have the Decco2 before the end of year that will be paired w/ the DS4.5.
I'll let you know better when we get a little closer.
David

Thanks David, but man, that's a long time for me to be waiting You guys should put together a package with the Nova/DS4.5's.
post #227 of 2008
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Originally Posted by GPowered View Post

Has anybody compared this unit to say, Sim Audio Moon i1, Naim Nait 5i or the new Creek Evo 2 (can be had new for under $900)? I am considering those options as well to pair w/ Dynaudio 220 II's Thanks...

I'm not sure how you could compare the Nova to your typical solid state integrated amp since it has a built in DAC and a tubed line stage. To add either of those to the amps you listed would add a substantial cost increase.

Are most of your sources digital? If so, it is worth checking out if you are interested in a one box solution.
post #228 of 2008
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Originally Posted by johsti View Post

I'm not sure how you could compare the Nova to your typical solid state integrated amp since it has a built in DAC and a tubed line stage. To add either of those to the amps you listed would add a substantial cost increase.

Are most of your sources digital? If so, it is worth checking out if you are interested in a one box solution.

They are, but I don't want to do it at the expense of the amp, which means I may have to go w/ one of the integrated amps listed above and a seperate DAC w/ output stage. David said he eventually going to release a larger version but it won't be until next year.

I was just trying to gauge how close the Peachtree comes to the amps listed above. I guess it's not really apples to apples to do price point - not that one is better than the other but rather a different philosophy of getting it done. For me, I'm in a mid to large size room pushing Dane 220 II's and I don't want to lose the ability to crank the volume so it's prob not the best solution.
post #229 of 2008
1. I have isolated the issues I was having with the Nova as fed 24/96 via S/PDIF coax...it was my sound card. A very rare issue with an extra long EDI cable (Cat5) that connect a breakout box to PCI card.

2. STEREOPHILE review was pretty bad; they teased about the blue LED under the tube and made no mention that it notifies the user of the activated tube stage as there is no other way of knowing (other than close attention to sonics). "This lily did not need gilding". They also failed to note the USB tops out at 48kHz, and kept calling the NOVA a usb dac which I found annoying. They mentioned the Sabre ESS dac once and never mentioned that the chip is capable of 192kHz but SP chose to implement a max of 96kHz (which is fine by me), and you can push that via any of (4) digital inputs.

3. removed

4. I feed the NOVA native and upsampled material from a PC using J. River Media Center (if you use Windows don't use anything else, maybe Foobar or Media Monkey). It seems to deal with 96kHz input well and sounds wonderful feeding my Sophia tube amp and Omega speakers in tube preamp mode/variable output. (the Amperex 7308 PQ USA white label helps!).

5. I can't seem to program my Gyration remote with any of the IR commands found on the Nova remote. will keep trying.

6. Planning on connecting outdoor Klipsch speakers direct to Nova which should be perfect as they call for 70-80w.

7. Only gripe is volume knob. I turned it down the other day and the zero point shifted down to about 6pm ...almost 5:30 really.

Great unit overall, the DAC is nice. Would like to see better usb (handle of higher resolutions) but just feed it high res. over S/PDIF for now. I think a DAC/passive pre would suit the audiophile community well. Push the upsample to 192 (although all I want is 96kHz) and have I2S input as well. The Nova is a winner especially since I can use it to power my outdoor speakers and kick the ESS DAC to my hi-fi.

best,
Jon aka Dr. Cilantro
post #230 of 2008
So just got my Nova last night and hooked it all up. Big issue right now is with my Airport Express. Unfortunately, after doing some research, there is a known issue with iTunes 8.x and running optical audio out of the AE: it simply is unlistenable. Tons of jitter & drops.

Anyone else experience this? It sounds normal when running mini-to-RCA, so I can still use the AE just not get the digital sound.

My real question though is this:

I have an Apple Dock, which runs the ipod connector to a USB (A). If I buy a USB A-B converter piece and plug it into the Nova, will the DAC read & play the music from my iPhone?

I know that custom car stereo systems read audio via the USB connection, but is there something else going on in the electronics of that outside of the DAC?

Would be nice to hear a "No" before I go out and buy the adapter; instead I'll just get a decent mini-to-RCA plug.

Also, I know it came up earlier in the thread, but the Harmony One does not have the Nova listed; however, with so few buttons, it's easy enough to program it in.

Oh, and I know I've read that it takes a bit for the Nova to break-in, anyone have the exact number of hours? My first bit of CD playing was a tad underwhelming, but I chalked it up to warmup.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with my purchase, and if nothing else, the unit looks gorgeous.
post #231 of 2008
Strange about the Airport. Is it a B/G version or the newer N version?

We used to have (3) airports feeding "lesser" systems around the house. My wife used iTunes, but I used J. River Media Center in conjunction with a $20 application named Airfoil which allows one to hijack audio from any source application on a PC or Mac and push it to one, or multiple, airports of your choice; you can also sync all the airports.

The newest version ran well for me and when in need of remote video I would use VLC to get around the firmware established 7 second delay in the Airport; VLC has a de-sync feature which allows you to adjust audio to be about 3200ms behind video to compensate for that inherent delay.

I used the Airports with Airfoil via digital and analog with no major issues. Maybe it's worth a try, especially if you are using a PC, you could then get turned on to J. River (they just added loading playback into memory for the really anal audiophiles!).

I also have not observed any dropouts in the first few seconds of songs, but did catch whether users were experiencing this over usb or digital inputs.

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I have an Apple Dock, which runs the ipod connector to a USB (A). If I buy a USB A-B converter piece and plug it into the Nova, will the DAC read & play the music from my iPhone?

IIRC, the iPhone just has line out on the dock end although Wadia taps into the digital out there. You can't plug your iPhone into the NOVA and hit play, to put it bluntly. It is not a Windows Mass Storage Device, well it does show up, but you can use it like a thumb drive via Windows Explorer.

DC
post #232 of 2008
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Originally Posted by doctorcilantro View Post

Strange about the Airport. Is it a B/G version or the newer N version?

We used to have (3) airports feeding "lesser" systems around the house. My wife used iTunes, but I used J. River Media Center in conjunction with a $20 application named Airfoil which allows one to hijack audio from any source application on a PC or Mac and push it to one, or multiple, airports of your choice; you can also sync all the airports.

The newest version ran well for me and when in need of remote video I would use VLC to get around the firmware established 7 second delay in the Airport; VLC has a de-sync feature which allows you to adjust audio to be about 3200ms behind video to compensate for that inherent delay.

I used the Airports with Airfoil via digital and analog with no major issues. Maybe it's worth a try, especially if you are using a PC, you could then get turned on to J. River (they just added loading playback into memory for the really anal audiophiles!).

I also have not observed any dropouts in the first few seconds of songs, but did catch whether users were experiencing this over usb or digital inputs.



IIRC, the iPhone just has line out on the dock end although Wadia taps into the digital out there. You can't plug your iPhone into the NOVA and hit play, to put it bluntly. It is not a Windows Mass Storage Device, well it does show up, but you can use it like a thumb drive via Windows Explorer.

DC

I'm running the newer AE with on n. I've tried dropping the network down to b/g, but that's not the issue. Def. an iTunes software issue. (Also, I'm on a Mac.)

I've heard about Airfoil but am not familiar with it. I'll check it out. Maybe it's a viable alternative.

Re: the USB, that's kind of what I figured. I think those car systems pay Apple licensing to "talk" to the iPod via USB, just wasn't sure.
post #233 of 2008
I think Airfoil works on a MAC, and the trial should let you know if it's working properly; it just sticks some white noise in every now and then.

DC
post #234 of 2008
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Originally Posted by tombonneau View Post

I'm running the newer AE with on n. I've tried dropping the network down to b/g, but that's not the issue. Def. an iTunes software issue. (Also, I'm on a Mac.)

I've heard about Airfoil but am not familiar with it. I'll check it out. Maybe it's a viable alternative.

Re: the USB, that's kind of what I figured. I think those car systems pay Apple licensing to "talk" to the iPod via USB, just wasn't sure.

Hi Guys,
Thanks to you all looking for into this and trying to fix yourself. We have uncovered the problem w/AE (N) version... The Nova works fine w/ AE (G).
Apparently, the new AE, N has more jitter than the ESS DAC allows at its highest performance level so it takes about a quarter note for the DAC to kick in and sometimes even drops out during the song.

We have a free software mod that allows for more jitter into the 2nd set of digital inputs.
This will solve the problem, but the 2nd input will not sound quite as good as digital input 1 fro both coax and toslink. Don't get me wrong, it will still sound very good, but if you have a unit w/less jitter, use input 1.
If you would like to have this mod done, you can write drichardson@signalpathint.com and he will give you an RA#, do the mod and get it back to you asap.
Hope this helps,
David Solomon
post #235 of 2008
Wow, that's interesting.

DC
post #236 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Era Design View Post

Hi Guys,
Thanks to you all looking for into this and trying to fix yourself. We have uncovered the problem w/AE (N) version... The Nova works fine w/ AE (G).
Apparently, the new AE, N has more jitter than the ESS DAC allows at its highest performance level so it takes about a quarter note for the DAC to kick in and sometimes even drops out during the song.

We have a free software mod that allows for more jitter into the 2nd set of digital inputs.
This will solve the problem, but the 2nd input will not sound quite as good as digital input 1 fro both coax and toslink. Don't get me wrong, it will still sound very good, but if you have a unit w/less jitter, use input 1.
If you would like to have this mod done, you can write drichardson@signalpathint.com and he will give you an RA#, do the mod and get it back to you asap.
Hope this helps,
David Solomon

That's mighty sporting that you guys offer that; however, I don't know that I want to go through that process over something that ostensibly is an Apple tech support issue.

If it's tested and working on the b/g Express, I think I'll just find someone to swap with and give them an upgrade to n for free, since the n band means nothing to me for the purposes of how I'm using the AE.
post #237 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Era Design View Post

Hi Guys,
Thanks to you all looking for into this and trying to fix yourself. We have uncovered the problem w/AE (N) version... The Nova works fine w/ AE (G).
Apparently, the new AE, N has more jitter than the ESS DAC allows at its highest performance level so it takes about a quarter note for the DAC to kick in and sometimes even drops out during the song.

We have a free software mod that allows for more jitter into the 2nd set of digital inputs.
This will solve the problem, but the 2nd input will not sound quite as good as digital input 1 fro both coax and toslink. Don't get me wrong, it will still sound very good, but if you have a unit w/less jitter, use input 1.
If you would like to have this mod done, you can write drichardson@signalpathint.com and he will give you an RA#, do the mod and get it back to you asap.
Hope this helps,
David Solomon


Does it fix the problem with Apple TV too? The cutting off the first micro-second or so of the music? I did try the Apple TV on input 1 and 2.
post #238 of 2008
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Originally Posted by doctorcilantro View Post

Strange about the Airport. Is it a B/G version or the newer N version?

We used to have (3) airports feeding "lesser" systems around the house. My wife used iTunes, but I used J. River Media Center in conjunction with a $20 application named Airfoil which allows one to hijack audio from any source application on a PC or Mac and push it to one, or multiple, airports of your choice; you can also sync all the airports.

The newest version ran well for me and when in need of remote video I would use VLC to get around the firmware established 7 second delay in the Airport; VLC has a de-sync feature which allows you to adjust audio to be about 3200ms behind video to compensate for that inherent delay.

I used the Airports with Airfoil via digital and analog with no major issues. Maybe it's worth a try, especially if you are using a PC, you could then get turned on to J. River (they just added loading playback into memory for the really anal audiophiles!).

I also have not observed any dropouts in the first few seconds of songs, but did catch whether users were experiencing this over usb or digital inputs.



IIRC, the iPhone just has line out on the dock end although Wadia taps into the digital out there. You can't plug your iPhone into the NOVA and hit play, to put it bluntly. It is not a Windows Mass Storage Device, well it does show up, but you can use it like a thumb drive via Windows Explorer.

DC

tom....DC is correct. Apple will not allow that application.................yet
post #239 of 2008
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Originally Posted by TKYR1967 View Post

Does it fix the problem with Apple TV too? The cutting off the first micro-second or so of the music? I did try the Apple TV on input 1 and 2.


yes it does. This software update is very new so it is not in any Nova in the field except ones we have modified. As David mentioned, you'll need to contact drichardson@signalpathint to arrange the fix. Thanks again to everyone for bringing this to our attention.
post #240 of 2008
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Originally Posted by Era Design View Post

This will solve the problem, but the 2nd input will not sound quite as good as digital input 1 fro both coax and toslink. Don't get me wrong, it will still sound very good, but if you have a unit w/less jitter, use input 1.

Hope this helps,
David Solomon


This part concerns me.
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