Official Oppo BDP-83 "Ranting about Region Coding thread" - Page 7  

I own a 1080i TV; many people own these or 720p systems.

If the BDP-83 scales the 1080p Blu-ray source down to these resolutions better than a PS3 or a BD35 than that makes it better.

Seems reasonably clear.

It also seems reasonably, that for 1080p Blu-ray there is not a lot of image difference.

So if you can get a BD35 for ~$225 and the BDP-83 costs $500 - $600 you have to decide for yourself if the added capabilities are worth $275 - $375 to you:

- Oppo support
- hi def DivX and AVCHD
- 480i24 for Region 1 DVDs
- etc, etc (as have been listed)
- etc, etc (as have not been listed because of NDA, who knows what these may be, wait a few more weeks if your decision is that close)

If it's worth it, but the BDP-83; if not, get something else - oh well.

Given it's been made clear that DVD region free would impact their Blu-ray license I find it unfathomable that some people still can't understand why the BDP-83 is not and never will be (from Oppo) region free.

I added the (from Oppo) because there should be every expectation that the companies providing aftermarket mods will likely choose this as there is a large segment of Oppo fans for whom region free is important and that marks their opportunity; but those fans will have to wait for however long it takes such aftermarket mods to happen after the BDP-83 actually comes to market.

Bill, the entire other factors section is the answer to a different question and are irrelevant to the Blu-ray picture quality issue. They are relevant to the overall question of the player value but impact the Blu-ray picture exactly 0.

I take it as an opportunity to discuss player differentiation. That would be the next question anyway.

-Bill

I look forward to reading the full FAQ once you can post it; just wanted to make sure that the answers were for the right questions (you know, keeping the FAQ to the facts for the Q at hand )

Sorry
but thanks

Well, that sounds great, but don't let your excitement over this product go to your head. I already own three Oppo players (OPDV-971H; DV-981H & DV-983H), but if long-term region free support was all I wanted I'd buy another 983 and keep it in the attic for back-up. I'm trying to pare down cramped rack space and consolidate HDMI and A/V cable connections for ease of operation. Of course other's needs and issues will vary.


Personally, I haven't seen many posts here which make pricing the primary issue, and it isn't a major consideration for me as long as I obtain the versatility I require from a player. The issue for most folks is one particular function that was expected to be carried over on the new BD player that makes it universally backwards compatible with existing DVD libraries. Apparently, for some (many?) folks this is a deal breaker.


Yes, in a manner of speaking. It provides Oppo with a barometer to gauge how big an issue this is for their customer base. I'm not saying that it will change anything, but nothing ever changes without public pressure directed to those with a personal stake in the profitability of the end product.


While I agree with your second point about after market mods, I'm still not convinced of your first. I can certainly fathom why folks won't let Oppo off the hook on this issue.

None of us knows for certain what agreement Oppo signed with the BDA; we don't even know whether it was in ink or blood!

We're being informed by speculation and second hand unsupported claims that whatever agreement Oppo's management made contained a stipulation that their license would be rescinded if the company allowed multi-region access. I'm not convinced that this was the case; I'm not saying it wasn't, but I've been around too long to simply accept every 'fact' that a company or advocate tells me at face value.

People in the business world rarely tell the whole story and often weasel around points that are subject to controversy and advocates are likely to say anything which rallies support for their cause. That doesn't mean that the company is dishonest or lacking in ethics, it just means that it's often easier and more profitable to take the path of least resistance.

ViPh

sharkshark,

It seems as though all you are really after is to find out what is "bad" about this player.
Maybe you are looking for something more than the obvious, I don't know. I think you will be surprised when this player comes out, that most of my comments will ring true.

The answers that you claim to be so revelating, are more interpretive than anything else. There is no definative answer as to wether the PQ in Source Direct Mode (1080/24) matches or exceeds the PQ of another player. This is true because it totally depends on any given set_up of any given user. That is why there was never given an absolute answer, because there is none.


What you and several others here are after, I don't really know, but snide comments about "cheerleading" and what not are uncalled for.

The player will not be region free. If that's the deal killer for you, then it's probably time to move on. Probably time for this thread to die for good too.

I respectfully disagree that this thread should die. If this is an important issue for long-time Oppo supporters then it shouldn't be swept under the carpet. That would not end the debate it would merely censor discussion on this critical issue.

I'm not convinced that Oppo's management won't change their collective minds and relent or figure out a back-door way to include this feature if more voices are heard and it becomes an issue of success or failure of the player.

On a side note, has anyone here actually read the agreement Oppo signed with the BDA? Just curious.

Does anyone KNOW with absolute certainty that the BDA made demands on Oppo in respect to DVD region compatibility or are we all relying on second hand information?

Also, I think that it's ironic that our friends in Europe apparently enjoy multi-region DVD access unlocked on their BD players while in the theoretically 'freest' nation in the world we're held hostage to region 1 only content by the BDA mafia (since I don't own a European BD player, so can anyone verify this claim to be true?)!

Finally, it is a given that there are folks here with a personal stake in the BDP-83. I respect that, and in spite of how upset I am over the region locking issue I'm still a staunch supporter of Oppo's products generally.

The sad reality is that some long time customers here are probably feeling a bit betrayed by the company they've supported; that is why there is so much venting and unwillingness to drop this issue. If this thread is closed and locked (sort of like region-locking to control content) trust me, it won't resolve the rancor.

ViPh

+ 1

I have two players from Oppo 971 and 981, on my two set-ups, and I think these are great.

This year I was going to buy the 983H, then i decided to wait for the BDP-83, hoping this was going to be a greate machine and probably will.

I live in PAL land and region 4 for DVD, so for me region locking is a deal breaker.

I'm too very frustrated with this, because I still value the quality of Oppo products.

I still hopping that somehow it is going to change.

ff

"What you and several others here are after, I don't really know, but snide comments about "cheerleading" and what not are uncalled for.

The player will not be region free. If that's the deal killer for you, then it's probably time to move on. Probably time for this thread to die for good too."

I can see why you want this

I agree.

Buy it or don't buy it.

larry