Originally Posted by ehlarson
As far as region free goes I have an excellent player that will work well, a Denon 3930ci. Yes it is another box. But that offers some backup too so it is well worth having in my rack. I'm looking forward to being an Oppo customer and hope that I am selected to the EAP program.
Well, that sounds great, but don't let your excitement over this product go to your head. I already own three Oppo players (OPDV-971H; DV-981H & DV-983H), but if long-term region free support was all I wanted I'd buy another 983 and keep it in the attic for back-up. I'm trying to pare down cramped rack space and consolidate HDMI and A/V cable connections for ease of operation. Of course other's needs and issues will vary.
Originally Posted by ehlarson
People talk about the BDP-83 being too expensive. I paid twice that cost for my Denon. It seems to be a great deal to me; I would have willingly paid considerably more for the BDP-83.
Personally, I haven't seen many posts here which make pricing the primary issue, and it isn't a major consideration for me as long as I obtain the versatility I require from a player. The issue for most folks is one particular function that was expected to be carried over on the new BD player that makes it universally backwards compatible with existing DVD libraries. Apparently, for some (many?) folks this is a deal breaker.
Originally Posted by wmcclain
You think ranting here applies pressure?
Yes, in a manner of speaking. It provides Oppo with a barometer to gauge how big an issue this is for their customer base. I'm not saying that it will change anything, but nothing ever changes without public pressure directed to those with a personal stake in the profitability of the end product.
Originally Posted by rick240
Given it's been made clear that DVD region free would impact their Blu-ray license I find it unfathomable that some people still can't understand why the BDP-83 is not and never will be (from Oppo) region free.
I added the (from Oppo) because there should be every expectation that the companies providing aftermarket mods will likely choose this as there is a large segment of Oppo fans for whom region free is important and that marks their opportunity; but those fans will have to wait for however long it takes such aftermarket mods to happen after the BDP-83 actually comes to market.
While I agree with your second point about after market mods, I'm still not convinced of your first. I can certainly fathom why folks won't let Oppo off the hook on this issue.
None of us knows for certain what agreement Oppo signed with the BDA; we don't even know whether it was in ink or blood!
We're being informed by speculation and second hand unsupported claims that whatever agreement Oppo's management made contained a stipulation that their license would be rescinded if the company allowed multi-region access. I'm not convinced that this was the case; I'm not saying it wasn't, but I've been around too long to simply accept every 'fact' that a company or advocate tells me at face value.
People in the business world rarely tell the whole story and often weasel around points that are subject to controversy and advocates are likely to say anything which rallies support for their cause. That doesn't mean that the company is dishonest or lacking in ethics, it just means that it's often easier and more profitable to take the path of least resistance.