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post #61 of 1602
12/28/08 at 6:48am
I agree, there are a few too many repeats in the World Tour mode. Wait until you get "Visions" several times. But really, as ferrisg said, the Challenges mode is the real single-player, song-unlocking experience. The World Tour mode is more appropriate for groups. But I agree, it could stand some improvement and/or condensing, particularly as (I believe) only World Tour gives you cash for outfits/instruments, which I spend waaaay too much time on. Good point, Basher.

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(by the way I also just remembered jwebb said he was picking GH:WT because he liked the set list better and now he says he wanted RB because.... he likes the set list better? lol)

See, it's this kind of asinine posting that sets me off. You act all superior and dickish toward other posters about things you're dead wrong about. jwebb has said several times that he prefers the GH set list personally, but prefers the RB set list for a "party" setting. So I'm not sure what the LOLOLOLZ are about. This is when I correct you, btw. When you get your facts wrong, completely fail at logic or are an ass to someone else for no reason. Contrary to your self-victimizing worldview, I do not persecute you for your opinions.

And for the record, never have I tried to change your opinion to match mine. I can't speak for other posters, but I've never said RB is outright superior to GH--it's my personal preference, but nothing more. I have not wasted my time trying to convince you that RB is better because most of the reasons anyone could give are entirely subjective. You prefer GH, my brother prefers GH, jwebb prefers GH as a single-player game, to each his own. So believe me when I say I literally could not care less about what music game you prefer. But your reasoning behind your opinions--and how you express them--is often bratty, nonsensical BS. Didn't you once mention you got banned from GameFAQs? Did somehow managing to get banned from what is basically an entire community of trolls not give you a hint that there maybe is something off with how you communicate? But I guess it's easier to play your "high school games" and view anyone who disagrees with you as a troll, corporate shill, etc., while casting yourself as the never-say-die truthsayer, unwilling to compromise in his quest to save us poor mindless zombies. Thank god for you, Captain Chip-on-Shoulder.

Edit: By the way, I'm going to try to stop anyway, but if anyone is getting tired of me crapping up this thread with confrontational posts like these, post or PM me about it and I'll cut it out. I know I'm just banging my head against a brick wall anyway, and I'm sure I'm at least on my way to getting pretty annoying myself.
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post #62 of 1602
12/28/08 at 8:41am
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particularly as (I believe) only World Tour gives you cash for outfits/instruments, which I spend waaaay too much time on. Good point, Basher.

You get money on the challenges too.

As for the rest, there is an ignore button. So rather than feeding the trolls, use it and stop getting frustrated which just gets them off. Just my two cents. I use it all the time.
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post #63 of 1602
12/28/08 at 2:55pm
haha, yeah I'm a troll yet I have been posting here for years and not once bashed a game just to bash it. Not liking certain aspects of a game is not trolling. If I'm a troll I would be a mighty bad one to be telling GOOD points of this game at the same time.

Also I was NOT attacking jwebb. The only ones I "attack" are ones who are being the way mongo "claims" I am being. Ones who are jerks about their opinions as if they are fact. And unfortunately mongo himself fits into that category by posting hinting that I sucked at GH. That's where the personal insults started was with him. Otherwise the only other one I ever said anything about at all was the guy who kept insisting this game is "far superior" and if I said I doubt that, they throw fits like I must agree with them.

Sorry, but I don't have to like every detail of a game to please these people. According to a VAST majority of critics Ocarina Of Time is the greatest game of all time and the same people demanding for me to say RB2 is far superior to GH:WT are the ones who then post that OoT is not the greatest game of all time. There is actually more evidence and logic in my statement than in the RB2 one. I don't call a difference between 8.8 and 9.0 far superior.

As for jwebb, he always jokes around with me in his posts anyway so if he can't take me saying he said one set list was better and then said another was, then I don't know what to say to that.

I would play the challengemode, but it actually looks kind of confusing too. I don't know what in the world that breakdown is where it says fender and some other things. I just wish it was more clear what to do to be similar to the GH mode. It seems t me that challenge mode must be stripped of many thigns and then tour mode is majorly repetitive. Also now I would hate to abandon tour modewhen I am in the middle of it. Maybe I should have done challenge mode for hard and then tour mode for expert or the opposite.

Also I just noticed most DLC I wanted was on the first Wii RB track pack disc! So now I am worried those won't be released any time soon as RB2 DLC. There hasn't been too much RB2 DLC I am interested in. I want simple man, gimme three steps, buddy holly, and a lot of those other RB DLC songs more than RB2 ones. The main RB2 ones I noticed that I would want are no doubt songs. And of course out of all of the no doubt songs they added, they skipped over Sixteen which is the best one for guitar.
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post #64 of 1602
12/29/08 at 5:51am
Anyone happen to hear any new info on what DLC will be available and when?

edit: btw, http://wii.qj.net/Music-games-on-the.../49/aid/127314 , for a far superior game you would think it would do better than being outsold by triple to GH, don't ya think? Also for someone who is "out of touch" and "fails to use logic" I sure was also right that these games were getting near their end. If they keep pumping out new ones rather than adding DLC then they are doomed soon.
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post #65 of 1602
12/29/08 at 6:46am
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edit: btw, http://wii.qj.net/Music-games-on-the.../49/aid/127314 , for a far superior game you would think it would do better than being outsold by triple to GH, don't ya think? Also for someone who is "out of touch" and "fails to use logic" I sure was also right that these games were getting near their end. If they keep pumping out new ones rather than adding DLC then they are doomed soon.

I agree that maybe the genre is getting swamped, but the analysis in that article is B.S. They state that RB2 sales were up compared to RB1, but because GHWT is selling fewer units than GHIII the genre is dying? Also, they fail to point out the glaringly obvious fact that to get the full benefit of GHWT and RB2 you need to lay out a $200 investment, which is a hefty price to pay for a video game during a recession.

I put in a ton of time with RB2 over the past week and the one thing that I completely agree with Basher about is the score tracking. When playing multiplayer for fun, it is no big deal, but if you are working through the single player game it is pretty annoying that you can't see your best scores for each difficulty level. I also miss seeing a section-by-section percentage breakdown at the end of each song.

Most of his other issues probably won't bother most people, though. If you don't like the random set lists, don't play them. You can progress through the tour mode without them. If you are going to be an anal completionist, expect to have to wade through some tedium in any game. And the look of the HO/POs won't be a problem for the majority of gamers, I'm sure.

Harmonix really F'd up on DLC for the Wii version, which will presumably soon be corrected but it is completely inexcusable that the advertising materials claimed it would be ready when it wasn't. Giving everyone a few free songs (chosen by the player) would be a good way to atone for the error.
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post #66 of 1602
12/29/08 at 6:54am
I have zero problem with HOs and POs now. I don't know why, but suddenly it just got extremely easy to notice them. I'm stillkind of amazed that I am able to notice them though given my situation.

Also yeah I see some of your points related to that article. And also GHIII was $100 compared to the $200 of GH:WT. I definitely think some of it may be burnout though. Maybe some more of the reason is that some were waiting until Christmas to get it or something.

Anyway I am loving this game honestly. I am definitely glad that the chart style/note style is so different than GH because it's like playing a new game in that regard. Also so far I like a lot of songs in the set lists. I think I have played through about 40 songs or somewhere close to that.

I indeed started skipping those mystery set lists usually. I will save those for later in place of quick play. However they DO force you to do the same songs repeatedly in other areas if you want to complete everything.

I should be writing down which songs I like playing because the problem for me with both of these games is that a lot of times I forget which songs I liked on each instrument!

Anyway it's getting old to keep arguing back and forth over this game, so everyone can think what they want. I can see why people love this game and I love it also, but I don't like gross exaggerations is all.
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post #67 of 1602
12/29/08 at 8:26am
I don't think it's news or any big surprise that there's some music-game burnout going on. Not only is Guitar Hero up to its fourth iteration, but its direct competitor (which is essentially the same game) is up to its second. Six games in how many years, not even counting the "side" GH games like Aerosmith and Rocks the 80s? And there's already two more coming that we know of, GH: Metallica and the Beatles game from Harmonix. I'm not sure why Konami thought now was a great time to try to push their Rock Revolution game into the market. That sold what, about six copies?

I think RB3 and GHV are in for a world of hurt when they inevitably come out. Adding another instrument would drive the cost up further, and for RB, they'd want to keep everything backward-compatible so that's over 500 songs to update. And if they don't make it different enough, no one will think it's worth the upgrade. I get the feeling RB and GH's respective makers almost don't want to release another direct sequel, but will feel forced to just so the competitor won't have the market to themselves.

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Anyway it's getting old to keep arguing back and forth over this game, so everyone can think what they want. I can see why people love this game and I love it also, but I don't like gross exaggerations is all.

This is pretty much what I've been saying the entire time, and waiting to hear from you. Thank you. And by the way, I was kidding when I tweaked you about your GH skills. Did you ever think about the fact that I've never even seen you play? If I had known you would get so offended by a stranger on the Internet saying you weren't very good at a game he had never seen you play, believe me, I never would have said it. But if it's any atonement, I will say this: I am 100% certain you're a better GH/RB guitar player than I am. Happy now?
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post #68 of 1602
12/29/08 at 10:28am
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I see my screen name has been a topic on conversation while I was away....


Well, while it means little in the grand scheme of things, here's my take on RB2 for Wii.

LOVE IT!!!!

Yeah, the "no DLC - yet" thing kinda sucks, but it'll be there. I'm guessing sooner better than later. Think it came down to HMX really wanting the game out there before XMAS day. If that meant no Music Store for a few weeks, so be it. We'll live.

As to the game itself - I've spent every day since the 25th playing both this & GH:WT (my bro in law got GH:WT & 2 GHIII Wii Les Pauls for XMAS himself & we played both games).

As an actual guitar player, I find that for the most part RB2 tracks more like a real guitar part than GH often does. I read a comment either here or elsewhere where a person stated that GH was like playing along with a song, RB felt like actually PLAYING the part. I now concur fully.

On songs that duplicate btwn the 2 games, I find tracks like Everlong, Mountain Song & Go Your Own Way feel a bit more "natural" as gtr parts on RB2. Go Your Own Way, for example - on GH, the gtr parts is a mishmash of the acoustic & electric parts of the tune. On RB2, it sticks completely to the electric part. Feels more "right" to me. Everlong & Mountain Song also feel more "right" in their note arrangement.

I entered the Quickplay cheat so I can access all tracks - turn it off for Tour accomplishments. While an easier tune, Man in the Box feels just like I'm playing the song. Any Way You Want It is the same case, although it is a much tougher arragement - esp the solo sections.

Like how it tracks gtr solos & gives bonus points for solo performances. This also can be a pisser when you totally blow a solo!

Don't mind the repetitive natre of the Challenges - yet. But I can see how they may get old. I may be wrong, but once we have some DLC, it looks like Challenges may pull from those tunes once they are available on the SD card.

I like the overall presentation of RB2 a bit more than GH:WT. The layout is "cleaner" & a bit less cartoon-ish.

In the end, I do enjoy both games. GH:WT is still a fun time & I'll continue to add new tracks as time goes on (I for one do want the free DL of Born To Run when it hits in January!) I'll play both, but see RB2 getting the lion's share of playtime, esp after we can DL some new tunes.

RB2 has me lusting after drums more for some reason. I'm still leaning towards getting the GH drumkit so I can play both games w/ them. But I was tempted to grab the old RB1 kit @ Best Buy the other day. Had them there for around $30. I do need more comments/info on how the GH drums work within RB2. If I hear more negative than positive, I may go ahead w/ RB drums (1 or 2) & leave GH for my guitar/bass/voice only game. So for those rocking RB2 w/ GH drums on any console, please post thoughts here!!!

Either way, I now have 2 very solid music titles for my Wii - both providing entertaining gameplay for the forseeable future. I'm a happy "Wii rocker"!
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post #69 of 1602
12/29/08 at 4:55pm
For some reason the graphics seem worse on RB2 than GHWT. It seems fuzzy. To me, anyway.

I like the guitar solo bonuses.

As far as DLC no it's not a HUGE deal to wait other than if they had good business practice they wouldn't then print on a box the DLC will be out holiday 2008. I guarantee it = lawsuit. Just wait.
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post #70 of 1602
12/30/08 at 7:14am
I did that gig in L.A. where it's 6 songs (starting with shackler's revenge) which ALL are challenging or harder than challenging and I passed all on the first try. So unlike with GHWT I have yet to fail a song in RB2 on hard guitar even after playing some of thse "insane" and "impossible" difficulty songs.

I would say so far I like playing hard difficulty on RB2 more than GH hard mode possibly though. It does have fun charts. Although when there is a long string of notes close together in some cases it';s harder to hit them all than in GH and that's NOT a "good" hard. It's an annoying hard by not being able to figure out what actions with the guitar will get it to hit them properly.

I almost failed battery I think, but I ended up 4 starring it I think.

The way I feel about it is GH ha smore challenging charts and they feel not as smooth and nice as RB2 though. I bet I will feel weird when I go back to GH with the style so much different.

I just hope expert is hard enough for me, but without the hard part being NOT KNOWING something. For instance remember on GHIII I didn't know that on extremely close notes you are supposed to strum in alternating directions. Well some "not known" fact is stopping me in some strings of notes on RB2 also.

I love the game still though. However I think it's pretty ridiculous that it didn't even have poor stat tracking and ZERO dlc counted against it in scores. That's just not responsible reviewing. I couldn't care less that they sayu the dlc will be out soon, at the time of the review it has ZIPPO. And if they will lie right on the box about when it comes out, there is no proof they wouldn't lie about it EVER coming out. I will believe it once I see it.
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post #71 of 1602
12/30/08 at 7:40am
For me most of the difficulty on Expert guitar comes from my arm getting tired on faster songs, mostly due to my terrible technique. I can't upstrum (throws off my rhythm), and often get in the habit of strumming with my entire right arm, so having to downstrum my way through long, really fast songs can tire my arm out after just a few songs. A track like Tangled Up in Blue on Expert just murders me. I also get thrown off by three-note chords as well, despite having played a decent amount of GHIII, and still have trouble with long sections of really fast runs of hammer-ons/pull-offs in succession.

Still, the only song where I feel I can't blame myself for sucking on is Visions. That song can go die in a hole--I can't even beat it on Hard (though I haven't tried again in a while).
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post #72 of 1602
12/30/08 at 11:39am
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Still, the only song where I feel I can't blame myself for sucking on is Visions. That song can go die in a hole--I can't even beat it on Hard (though I haven't tried again in a while).

Well there's your problem. You still think it's a song. As far as I'm concerned "Visions" is an elaborate method of getting people to commit suicide.
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post #73 of 1602
12/30/08 at 7:52pm
haha I'll give my impressions when I get to that song. Any others you guys think are extremely hard? I remember you oughta know was mentioned as hard for bass.

And mongo, yeah I do the same. I don't like doing upstrums. The only time I used it on GH was when you or someone else mentioned it almost MUST be done on the notes which are practically touching each other. I'm not sure yet if I will have to use it in RB2 or not.

So I also pretty much use my whole arm in strumming. I don't move my entire arm noticably, but I definitely feel like it's using my arm's muscles. That's why in GH on some songs I feel real accomplishment for getting close to 100% when it's songs of that type that make my arm almost fall off.


I'm honestly kind of mad about the no DLC still. I want my DLC. I want some no doubt and rhcp songs which are DLC as well as the lynyrd skynyrd ones. Between those three groups there are probably 10 songs I want. I also hope chinese democracy album gets completely released. When I own BOTH music games I am going to be pissed if I STILL get no load of gnr and lynyrd skynyrd songs.

I just looked at the schedules and:
1. RB doesn't even list far ahead what will come out next.
2. GH lists all the way through January, but most songs are duds in my opinion.

So I am extremely disappointed. I noticed there are only 7 more songs on RB2's main list I am interested in despite having probably 30 or more songs still inplayed. So that is disappointing also. And that I want some DLC and neither game is delivering.

edit: by the way it doesn't feel "right" on sections with a lot of fast changing between notes. Hard to explain, but in GH it feels smooth switching between them and something about these notes being rectangular makes it feel odd when switching.
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post #74 of 1602
12/31/08 at 12:21am
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haha I'll give my impressions when I get to that song. Any others you guys think are extremely hard?

"Bodhisattva" on expert is pretty hard. Good luck doing well on the end solo of "Afterlife" (it's DLC) on expert, although the rest of the song isn't that bad. "Snow (Hey Oh)" (also DLC I think) on expert is an absolute nightmare. I think "Aqualung" is a lot of fun to play but it's not super challenging. "Painkiller" and "Panic Attack" are both pretty hard. Those are all on expert. On hard most songs are fun to play but I'd say there's very little challenge unless you're gunning for 100%s, even in the solos.

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And mongo, yeah I do the same. I don't like doing upstrums. The only time I used it on GH was when you or someone else mentioned it almost MUST be done on the notes which are practically touching each other. I'm not sure yet if I will have to use it in RB2 or not.

There are quite a few songs where you'd need to alt-strum to hit all the notes. Well, unless you're an insanely fast strummer.

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I just looked at the schedules and:
1. RB doesn't even list far ahead what will come out next.
2. GH lists all the way through January, but most songs are duds in my opinion.

Harmonix makes a post on the rock band forums every Friday about the following week's DLC. It's usually cut & paste in the PS3 and 360 forums here. I imagine someone will start doing the same in the Wii forum.

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edit: by the way it doesn't feel "right" on sections with a lot of fast changing between notes. Hard to explain, but in GH it feels smooth switching between them and something about these notes being rectangular makes it feel odd when switching.

Not sure I entirely follow what you mean. I think this just comes down to getting used to the display. I'm very comfortable at this point with the way charts are displayed in RB, so I guess I don't notice any oddity with this. Or maybe I don't understand what you're saying.
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post #75 of 1602
12/31/08 at 3:57am
It's hard to explain what I meant. It's just something strange messing me up. I still get up at 96-99% on most songs though.

I'm getting a bit burnt out now though, which is their fault for putting duplicates and a confusing ordering. I do see a gig with Visions in it now though, but didn't try that gig yet.

I think it's kind of ridiculous that not only has Harmonix not released DLC for wii still, but they haven't even ANNOUNCED which songs will be available in the beginning. Also Ibet they won't rush at all to get the DLC available because them not having it ready for Christmas made them miss out on a narrow window of opportunity to get big DLC sales. Now the kids will be back in school soon and there is no reason to even rush the DLC anymore, so most likely they will be lazy and the only reason it will even have DLC released at all will be to avoid lawsuits due to the box stating it would have it. They might as well have just left it off the box and screw over wii owners even more like last time.
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post #76 of 1602
12/31/08 at 7:54am
Besides the songs ferrisg mentioned, I find the ending solo of "Alive" can get a little hairy, as well as that song "Get Clean" by Anarchy Club (that may be DLC--part of the free 20-pack?).

Thanks to my poor technique, I am actually fast enough to downstrum my way through just about any notes, even if they're so fast they're sitting on top of each other...for about one song, then I get dead-arm syndrome. For that reason I do usually switch to alt-strumming on long, super-fast strings of one note played over and over...but if I have to switch buttons or the super-fast string is broken up by a slower note or two, the upstrumming throws my rhythm completely off.

I'm honestly not sure whether I prefer the RB "one week before" DLC announcement method or GH's "here's what's coming this month." I guess I kinda prefer having the weekly surprise of RB DLC to look forward to--that way, if they're all duds, I can still look forward to the next week, whereas with Guitar Hero, if the whole month sucks, that takes the wind out of my sails for quite a while. Plus, you usually hear rumblings of the larger RB DLC releases well in advance (No Doubt singles album, Ten).
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post #77 of 1602
12/31/08 at 7:11pm
Well I can't play Alive since it's DLC so I guess I will never have an opinion on it due to Harmonix not releasing anything.

I really hope when they do release songs, they are telling the trutht hat the catalog will grow exponentially. Kind of doubt it when they already have misled that it would be out during the holidays though. It's going to annoy me to death if when they do release DLC they still don't release the no doubt songs, rhcp songs, lynyrd skynyrd songs, and buddy holly. Those are mainly what I want and I'm not going to give a crap about them in 1 year when they probably finally "get around" to those. I'm going to just keep getting more burnt out while waiting for the DLC which SHOULD already be available, which would have prevented burnout since I look forward to thos.e I never even heard some of the more recent no doubt and rhcp songs in those packs. I ahve heard most, but a few I ahven't so they could be nice surprises if I would ever be able to download them this century.

edit: Oops I got Alive mixed up with another song someone mentioned.

And by the way, I'm not the only one who isn';t willing to let Harmonix off the hook for false advertising. Someone mentioned that some people are rating it 1 star on Amazon due to the broken promise. Anyone who acts like it's no big deal... how about this, I will put up a sign that says I will give you a million dollars if you give me a thousand dollars. Then when I give you 10 bucks back we'lls ee if you still have that "be happy with what you get" attitude.
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post #78 of 1602
1/1/09 at 9:01pm
I might as well give up on ever playing anyone from this site. I've added people on various games for months and months and haven't seen a single person on for ANY game since mario kart probably 3 months ago.
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post #79 of 1602
1/2/09 at 6:34am
How are the drums? How about vs GH:WT?
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post #80 of 1602
1/2/09 at 1:31pm
Hi All,

Just read the three pages in this thread. I'm planning on picking up RB2 as soon as I can actually find one in my area. I was wondering if I picked up the RB2 bundle, can I play GHWT or any of the other GH games by using the RB2 instruments? I like both playlists, but don't want to have to spend money on two sets of equipment just to play the same type of games. Thanks.
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post #81 of 1602
1/2/09 at 5:32pm
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Hi All,

Just read the three pages in this thread. I'm planning on picking up RB2 as soon as I can actually find one in my area. I was wondering if I picked up the RB2 bundle, can I play GHWT or any of the other GH games by using the RB2 instruments? I like both playlists, but don't want to have to spend money on two sets of equipment just to play the same type of games. Thanks.

No. The GH instruments work on Rock Band 2. The Rock Band instruments do not work on Guitar Hero.
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post #82 of 1602
1/2/09 at 8:03pm
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Yeah, if plastic instruments cluttering up your space is an issue, better to go with the GH:WT full set & get RB2 as a disc only. That wat, one set of controllers that work w/ both games.

THis of course leaves you out of RB1 for Wii or it's 2 Track Pack discs (all use the RB1 control scheme only). Have read that the RB AC/DC Wii disc uses the RB2 engine, so GH stuff should work with that.
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post #83 of 1602
1/3/09 at 5:04am
RB AC/DC isn't released for wii is it? I'm worried that they won't release the songs from the wii track pack discs and then I am screwed out of some good DLC the other systems can use on RB2. I suspect that at SOME time the no doubt and RHCP songs will be released, so that means only older releases concern me, such as the lynyrd skjynyrd songs and buddy holly. I technically have buddy holly on GH:WT since someone made it, but I assume it was then deleted and obviously it doesn't have lyrics either.
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post #84 of 1602
1/3/09 at 1:42pm
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RB AC/DC isn't released for wii is it? I'm worried that they won't release the songs from the wii track pack discs and then I am screwed out of some good DLC the other systems can use on RB2. I suspect that at SOME time the no doubt and RHCP songs will be released, so that means only older releases concern me, such as the lynyrd skjynyrd songs and buddy holly. I technically have buddy holly on GH:WT since someone made it, but I assume it was then deleted and obviously it doesn't have lyrics either.

The AC/DC RB Track Pack is available for Wii. And from what I have read, it uses the RB2 engine, so GH Wii controllers will work.

And talk about easy $$ for AC/DC - take a live album they issued back in the early '90s and regurgitate it onto a RB game disc. Little effort w/ maximum profit potential. The 21st century is looking to be a great time to be in the music biz!
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post #85 of 1602
1/3/09 at 4:50pm
until the music game genre fizzles some though.

By the way i tried singing on RB2 and GHWT today. I did go your own way and livin' ona prayer since I could do them on both games. I was scoring higher on RB2. By approximately 10%. I like star power on GHWT better. I like the banging on hand for those other notes on RB2 also though.

Also on guitar I still have not failed any song on hard. I played panic attack and painkiller today for the first time and got through those fine (in fact I 4 starred them and I think I came close to 5 starring). I have now got past... I think 73 songs on hard. It's VERY VERY annoying to ahve to keep repeating other songs and never even sure how to get to the ones I haven't played.

In fact sometimes I can't even REMEMBER if I already played a song listed in a city and it slows me up even more. I guess I have about 11 songs left somewhere in the cities.

I'm not sure how many songs are on impossible and the difficulty before it, but I have done 8 on each.
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post #86 of 1602
1/4/09 at 6:48pm
lmao where is thejokell? Remember he said to trust the great harmonix would put out thew "same game" as the other versions? Not only did they not have DLC ready when they said, THEY TOTALLY OMITTED CROWD SINGING FROM THE WII VERSION. This game does not deserve to be rated better than GHWT and it is NOT the same game as the other versions. They gimped it for a second straight time on wii. I love playing the game, but when it lacks DLC and several other features, it deserves to be rated at VERY best even with GH and probably lower. I have seen others saying they don't liike how a lot of stuff is done in this game (regardless of console) also. So it's not just me. Flat out GH was just handled better and that's really all there is to it. The only issue with GHWT is that only 2 wiis can be connected for online play. otherwise it's fine. Meanwhile RB2 freeakin doesn't even ave DLC or crowd singing (two of the MAIN THINGS people here said as evidence for RB2 being the better of the two games).

Learn your lesson not to speak about the wii version before it's out next time. Although I know nobody will learn from this and will keep claiming it's "identiacal" to the otherxs for RB3 also.

edit: also people complained the text was too small in ghwt. Guess what? It's SMALLER in RB2 and people said RB2 had a setting to increase text size. Nope. Not in the wii version anyway. That's why it's kind of funny that someone I won't name said the presentation is better in RB2. If you think worse graphics, worse text, and repeat songs over and over and over and over and over in tour mode then.... yeah good presentation.
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post #87 of 1602
1/5/09 at 7:57am
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I personally don't see these "ommisions" (at least the crowd sing along) as a "gimping". Yes, the DLC was not up @ launch.....it will be & likely soon.

To again reference my musical past, what I find as "better" in RB2 over GH is how the gtr notes/parts are laid out. Much more logical overall than on GH. Prime example - Everlong, which is on both games.

On GH, the song on Hard is pretty good. Decent job of making the gtr part "make sense". Jump up to Expert? It becomes a complete mess. Note/chord placements that is both tough (expected) yet completely illogical. The main riff alone is a finger killer that does not relate AT ALL to the actual riff (if you have ever played the riff on a guitar - I have many many times).

On RB2, Everlong on Hard is similar to it's GH counterpart, albeit the note placement is a tad different, but still sensible. Bump up to Expert & it is pretty much the same part, but with many of the accent notes that are not there on Hard. It's tougher to play, but not the awful mess of notes the GH Expert version is.

Jusy my 2 cents as a guitar player. Actually, neither game really nails playing that song for real (which is not that hard a riff, actually)

In terms of what is "identical" comes down to, I believe, the essential offline/online gameplay & layout. That is what is the same/damn near close to the PS3/360 versions. And that is really all that matters. Having spent almost 2 wks w/ RB2 have led me to believe that it is the superior music game to GH:WT. Not that GH is crap at all, but I personally find RB2 to be more entertaining and more "musical". The "tour" section has many more sections for upgrades - not just a linear "tour". While this makes for repeat tracks, it also makes for a more interesting single player experience (at least to me).
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post #88 of 1602
1/5/09 at 9:27am
Sigh. Yes keeping features out is gimping it. Now, it may be a minor gimp to some, but nonetheless it pisses me off they left that out. I knew I wasn't hearing that and thought well maybe I am dumb, but someone posted on the RB site saying indeed they left it out. Think how fun that would be to have singalongs!!! That's a HUGE part of the "presentation" jhof talked up. To me it's not the hugest deal of all time, but it does bug me it's not there. Also have you heard the crowd? They sound like they're CHEERING when you do bad rather than booing. wtf?

I haven't written any full review or scored the game since I don't like doujng that when I ahven't played expert, but ehre are my impressions so far between the two games:

1. presentation- RB2 has worse graphics and left out the singalongs and tour mode is repetitively annoying. Meanwhile RB2 has better character design and the clothing and all of that seems better implemented. Tie.

2. Gameplay- GH does a better job of star power in the way that things glow. I have seen others agree with that and that the setup in general is better as far as the look of pulloffs, hammerons, and star power phrases. I agree that RB2 seems to position the notes better. GH is a tad more challenging. GH has an open note for bass AND a separate bass career which is both make bass a no brainer better on GH than RB. Rockband I like the vocals setup a bit more than GH. Tie.

3. Features- Decent amount of DLC on GH. ZERO DLC on RB2. I'll trust that RB2 will eventually surpass it, but that is ONLY based on trust and no reliable proof whatsoever. RB2 has some new modes I ahven't tried (new compared with GH, that is). GH has mii freestyle and recording studio. Online play lets more wiis connect for RB2. Right now the GH game is blowing away RB in this area since it HAS DLC. But considering I am TRUSTING Harmonix... Tie.

So there ya ho. A complete tie and that's including trust. Really I am even tempted to rate GH better even after DLC is available. Why shouldn't I when drums and bass have an extra note for GH and the presentation on the charts themselves is better on GH? I don't use bias in my reviews, so I'm not going to pretend that since others rate RB2 better it means I have to also. I have looked at everything reasonably. What it comes down to is FUN and RB2 is probably as fun as GH so most likely I would rate them the same despite all the arrows pointing towards GHWT as being better.

And by the way no clue why you said you figure DLC will be on RB2 for wii soon. Have you noticed they already announced the DLC for January 15'th and mentiuoned it will be for PS3 and no mention of wii at all? So looks like it won't even be there 2 weeks from now still! And when they say "as early in 2009 as possible" it leads me to think MARCH at the earliest which is unacceptable.
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post #89 of 1602
1/5/09 at 9:34am
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DLC will come "soon" I feel because such stuff is a major cash cow for both HMX/MTV/EA as well as the artists themselves. Have been several stories during the holiday season that have mentioned that many artists see more $$ these days from music games than they do album sales.

I would be very surprised if the RB2 Wii Store is not up & running by the end of January/early Feb.
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post #90 of 1602
1/5/09 at 9:43am
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YOu know, Basher....maybe I'm just to casual a gamer or something...or I don't sweat certain things others do. But as to what's "missing" on RB2? I personally could give 2 f**ks. The game is fun & in terms of how the songs are laid out/implemented - it is better than GH IMO. Guitar parts are much more like PLAYING GUITAR - something the game with the word GUITAR in it should be nailing. Much better in some cases. And the DLC will not be missing for long.

That wins it for me.

While I agree that RB1 was MUCH weaker than the other versions in terms of what was missing, the game itself is pretty solid from what I hear. I almost went w/ the RB1 set just because I'd get the game disc & Track Packs to play. I hope they now issue those tunes as DLC, but will live even if they do not. At the same time, I am waiting for the GH drums to arrive alone in stores. That's the kit that I see getting since it'll do dbl duty on both games.
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