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Wiring Light switches

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I believe I know the answer, but figured to still ask...

I am trying to wire 3 single pole switches into one box. I know I have to tie all the whites together. I then make 3 pigtails from the hot for each of my switches. the question I have though is what do I do with the ground wires? Do I connect all 4 and then add 3 pigtails that then connect to the ground screw on each of the switches? I just want to make sure I am doing it right and I would think if I am grounding a single switch then i would be required to do the same for 3 switches, but I still thought I would ask and confirm before I screwed something up. Thanks
post #2 of 25
Yes, you must ground each switch to meet code. The method how you describe would be sufficient.
post #3 of 25
You can use a GB steel compression fitting, slip over the ends, crimp and twist all four grounds upstream from the fitting in the back of the box. You leave several inches hanging past the fitting and then just snip one of the wires shorter and use the other 3 for your grounds. You do need a compression fitting crimper to do it right.
This all assumes you left ample wire danging from the box to begin with. I wouldn't try to twister nut 4 wires and 3 pigs with one nut. Divide it up.

post #4 of 25
I thinking Biggie mentioned it, too, but be aware that some local codes require copper compression fittings for the grounds rather than wire nuts, etc.
post #5 of 25
Code in our neck of the woods is that fittings as in Big's picture above are required. NO wire nuts on the grounds.
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Yeah thats what I will do...twister nut 5 wires together (the max in a red I believe) and then us the fifth wire as the one that twister nuts to 3 more wires that will then ground to the 3 outlets. this will give me some practice in putting a bunch of wires together in preparation of the installation of my GE 3106. Thanks guys for the input, I figured it was needed but you know how it goes, confirmation always helps.
post #7 of 25
This is how Cathan did his. He used a ground ferrule and bonded the wires. He left long tails to connect to the actual devices.



CJ
post #8 of 25
The way I figured out how to do mine was to pull off the cover plate of a 3 switches near my front door and shined a flashlight in to take a look. All those extra pigtails and screw nuts you propose will make a tight box tighter.
post #9 of 25
If these are accepted in you area:



They are the easiest to use. They come in a bunch of different sizes 6 wire, 8 wire etc...

here is an eight wire one:

post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
I was going to mess with this tonight, but I am beat...I figure I will do up the electrical over the weekend. I might get away with all the pigtails in the box because it is a fairly large metal box. We will see.
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GPowers View Post

If these are accepted in you area:



They are the easiest to use. They come in a bunch of different sizes 6 wire, 8 wire etc...

here is an eight wire one:


I woke up this morning thinking about these little guys...they would make life super easy. You mention if they are accepted in my area...well, if they are sold by lowes of HD by me does that mean they are allowed? surely they would sell something that is against code. Also, some of the recessed lights I installed had these to make the connections. would that also be an indicator that it is OK? I mean seriously I remember doing the lights with these and they make life super easy especially when comparing it to the difficulty of trying to wire nut 5 and 6 wires together and making sure it is secure

what are these bad boys actually called, if I was to go into lowes and look for them
post #12 of 25
The BB home hardware stores are national enitities. Electrical code varies from area to area. Don't count on their stock to quantify local code.

Can't remember what those things are called...really handy though.

I asked around and couldn't get an answer in regards to "trade name" but, they are referred to as Push-In connectors on this site:

http://www.goodmart.com/products/ele..._connector.htm
post #13 of 25
Push Wire or push in wire connectors is what they are called

http://www.spoerle.com/cda/distilive...3,4257,00.html

You'll find them in the same area as the cap connectors.
post #14 of 25
The push in tabs on receptacles are notorious for coming loose over time. I'd be wary of using those push ins for pigtails.

Since you have a metal box, make sure it too is grounded.
post #15 of 25
I used steel boxes for all my outlets and switches. I paid a little extra for the steel boxes, but it cut down on wires when having multiple switches in a box. We would cut all the ground wires short to about 2 - 3" and leaving one long one. Then twist all wires together, and run a compression fitting over it to keep them together. Push the bundle towards the back of the box and have the long one that is left along the bottom corner of the box. Use a grounding clamp to affix the one wire to the box. Then cut off the excess grounding wire that is sticking out of the box.

Now instead of having an extra wire running to each switch, all switches are grounded by being affixed to the metal box. A little helpful hint that one of my friends from the electrical union taught me.

Cheers,
JJ
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jjmj427 View Post

I used steel boxes for all my outlets and switches. I paid a little extra for the steel boxes, but it cut down on wires when having multiple switches in a box. We would cut all the ground wires short to about 2 - 3" and leaving one long one. Then twist all wires together, and run a compression fitting over it to keep them together. Push the bundle towards the back of the box and have the long one that is left along the bottom corner of the box. Use a grounding clamp to affix the one wire to the box. Then cut off the excess grounding wire that is sticking out of the box.

Now instead of having an extra wire running to each switch, all switches are grounded by being affixed to the metal box. A little helpful hint that one of my friends from the electrical union taught me.

Cheers,
JJ


There is quite a bit of information here and truth is, I am certainly a visual person when trying to understand things, but what I gather from what you said is essentially, if I can ground my metal box, then all my switches are grounded simply because they are connected to the box, removing the need for individual grounds run to each switch.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by smakovits View Post

There is quite a bit of information here and truth is, I am certainly a visual person when trying to understand things, but what I gather from what you said is essentially, if I can ground my metal box, then all my switches are grounded simply because they are connected to the box, removing the need for individual grounds run to each switch.

Believe me, I am the same way, a picture is worth a thousand words. Yes, you are correct. If the box is grounded the switches will also be grounded. This way with multiple switches or receptacles is much easier pushing the wires into and pulling the wires out of the box. Every box that my father and I installed was done this way. Here is some extra information for you.

Here is a picture of the grounding clip if you are unfamiliar with it.


I finally found a picture on the internet describing what I am talking about. Take all the grounds except one an cut them about 3" long. Now twist all the grounds together leaving the one long sticking out. Slide the compression fitting over the twisted wires and then crimp them down. Push the ground wires back out of the way and extend the long wire out past the box. The clip will have a hook on one side (not seen in picture above), this will go towards the inside of the box. Stick the long ground through the clip, slide the clip to the box and use a flat tip screwdriver to push the clip on using the hook portion.



Then for extra precaution you can finish the wire off as in this next picture or you can just cut off the excess which is what I do.



I didn't know if you messed with these clips before or not, that is why I went into the extra detail. Don't want anyone getting hurt from miscommunication with what I am talking about.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Cheers,
JJ
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
thanks. thats awesome information. I will stroll through Lowes or HD and see what I can some up with. I plan to mess with this stuff this weekend and will post the results.
post #19 of 25
No problem, I am glad that could help! Let us know how it went.

Cheers,
JJ
post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjmj427 View Post

This way with multiple switches or receptacles is much easier pushing the wires into and pulling the wires out of the box.


While this method is acceptable for switches, you must use a self-grounding receptacle if you are not connecting the grounding conductor directly to the receptacle. You cannot omit the attachment of the grounding conductor on the typical receptacle you pick up at the Big stores.

The self-grounding receptacles are pretty expensive.

Tim
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
OK, I managed to get the 3 switches wired. I went the pigtail route. I had plenty of room and just used wire nuts to secure everything. I have been wiring outlets the past few days and actually just finished and my fingers kill.

I was at HD today and actually saw the push in connectors. they would be super easy but as mentioned, looking at them I would fear my wires coming loose over time. The one thing I thought of while at HD was grounding the actual box itself. I didnt do it, is that bad? All the switches are grounded, but do I need to go back, pull it out and add a wire that is screwed to the box itself for a ground? If so it is not a huge deal just means a little more work for me.
post #22 of 25
If you are using a metal box, yes you are required to also ground it.
post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by oman321 View Post

If you are using a metal box, yes you are required to also ground it.

OK, in that case I will pull one of the outlets, and to avoid rewiring everything, pigtail off the ground to the one switch, to ground the box and the switch. I guess I didnt do it because it was mentioned if the box is grounded then you dont have to ground the switches, so I was simply thinking vice versa...
post #24 of 25
I can understand that thought process. I had taken a course and my instructor was very adament about always grounding metal boxes. Back in the day the devices would be grounded by the box as mentioned but I believe they now prefer a ground going to each device. Each local community can be slightly different but better to overdue than not, good luck.
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to show what I ended up with in the end:




and done:


Thank you all for all the input in getting this thing wired correctly
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