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post #14461 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

Try resetting everything back to defaults and reconfigure?
I agree. Be sure to set the correct Time Zone and whether your location observes Daylight Savings Time.
post #14462 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Perhaps TVGOS is out and the DVR taking incorrect time from PSIP of some station ?
Doesn't the DVR use an average of the available PSIP feeds rather than just one?
post #14463 of 18096
My experinace is that any device taking time from PSIP is taking it only from the station it is currently tuned to. Therefore - if your local stations aren't close to each other (they should be absolutely spot on) - you'll see your time jump around as you change channels.

The DTV PAL DVR will take it's time from the station that is providing TVGOS, even if the station is not currently sending it out.
post #14464 of 18096
One of the firmware updates changed the way it uses PSIP data to set the time,
to cure a problem with the time being way off if no TVGOS.
post #14465 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

One of the firmware updates changed the way it uses PSIP data to set the time,
to cure a problem with the time being way off if no TVGOS.
I assume the final/latest 208 fixed it.
post #14466 of 18096
If we could find a way to see all diagnostics outputs ... There is a lot of info to use wisely.
post #14467 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

Man, I hope not. I unplugged mine for the summer (nothing to watch and record!) to make it last longer!
Time to plug it back in for tomorrow night's 4.5 hours(!!!) opening ceremony. Thanks God for DVRs!
post #14468 of 18096
I bought a CM7000 for a backup to my DTVPal. It has a 30 day return warranty, so I temporarily replaced my DTVPal with the 7000 for a month to make sure it works consistently. It was a one-to-one replacement, same cables, antenna, location, everything. I have discovered a very strange thing: All of my stations are tuning in much, much better with the CM than they did with the DTVPal. I mean, stations that previously were in the low 60's reception are now coming in at 75 or 80 or above. Is it possible that the CM has better tuners? I was wondering if anybody else who has bought a backup had run into this. I'm going to keep the CM as my primary now and put the Pal in the box, after I watch the few last shows on it. I was actually shocked, because I thought they were the exact same unit with a different name.
post #14469 of 18096
I don't know if you really did the best test of one tuner versus the other. Your results may or may not be indicative.

Why don't you hook your PAL back up and check reception again with it? That would be a true test.

Also the way they measure may be different so that the devices are actually giving you the same reception but one is showing higher numbers.

Another test is to tune to a station that pixelates and see if it pixelates on both devices.
post #14470 of 18096
Question on Hard Drives currently being sold and their use in the PALDVR.

I am considering updating the hard drive in my second unit and would be interested in knowing which currently available 500 GB or 1 TB drives have been successfully installed in the PALDVR.

Any updates on this would be appreciated.
post #14471 of 18096
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Originally Posted by ko220 View Post

I bought a CM7000 for a backup to my DTVPal. It has a 30 day return warranty, so I temporarily replaced my DTVPal with the 7000 for a month to make sure it works consistently. It was a one-to-one replacement, same cables, antenna, location, everything. I have discovered a very strange thing: All of my stations are tuning in much, much better with the CM than they did with the DTVPal. I mean, stations that previously were in the low 60's reception are now coming in at 75 or 80 or above. Is it possible that the CM has better tuners? I was wondering if anybody else who has bought a backup had run into this. I'm going to keep the CM as my primary now and put the Pal in the box, after I watch the few last shows on it. I was actually shocked, because I thought they were the exact same unit with a different name.
It's the SAME device, SAME tuner's chips. Practically SAME FW, if not count changes in strings from "e*" to "CM".
Perhaps your CM PAL DVR got installed the OTA tuner chips from other batch, or your old PAL DVR has some manufacturing or components deviation to down values by specs.
post #14472 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Question on Hard Drives currently being sold and their use in the PALDVR.
I am considering updating the hard drive in my second unit and would be interested in knowing which currently available 500 GB or 1 TB drives have been successfully installed in the PALDVR.
Any updates on this would be appreciated.

For start: there is no black list of SATA drives what cannot be used in the OTA DVR.

  • Size limit is still the same: from 80 GB to 1 TB.
  • Interface speed: 1.5 Gbps to 6 Gbps - irrelevant.
  • Internal cache: more then 8 MB will not benefit you - irrelevant.
  • RPM: 5400 is better - less heat and less noise.
  • Trim: AV-GP is preferable - less power, less noise, less heat.
post #14473 of 18096
Should a new drive be set to "not spin up" (or what ever the correct terms are!)
post #14474 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

For start: there is no black list of SATA drives what cannot be used in the OTA DVR.
  • Size limit is still the same: from 80 GB to 1 TB.
  • Interface speed: 1.5 Gbps to 6 Gbps - irrelevant.
  • Internal cache: more then 8 MB will not benefit you - irrelevant.
  • RPM: 5400 is better - less heat and less noise.
  • Trim: AV-GP is preferable - less power, less noise, less heat.
So one can't use a new, bigger, and faster SATA HDD in these DVRs? frown.gif
post #14475 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

For start: there is no black list of SATA drives what cannot be used in the OTA DVR.
  • Size limit is still the same: from 80 GB to 1 TB.
  • Interface speed: 1.5 Gbps to 6 Gbps - irrelevant.
  • Internal cache: more then 8 MB will not benefit you - irrelevant.
  • RPM: 5400 is better - less heat and less noise.
  • Trim: AV-GP is preferable - less power, less noise, less heat.

Thanks P. Smith. This is very helpful.

I was hoping to get some feedback from those who recently installed a new HD with what they installed. Might help me pull the trigger.
post #14476 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Should a new drive be set to "not spin up" (or what ever the correct terms are!)
As you wish; it's irrelevant for the DVR: it will spin up the drive anyway and will will keep it spinning 24/7.
post #14477 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

So one can't use a new, bigger, and faster SATA HDD in these DVRs? frown.gif
Why not ?
It will just not benefit you (if you will keep it in the size's limits) - you will pay more for nothing, err indeed for overheating exactly and power inefficiency.
post #14478 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Why not ?
It will just not benefit you (if you will keep it in the size's limits) - you will pay more for nothing, err indeed for overheating exactly and power inefficiency.
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Ah OK. I guess I would have to buy/find an used smaller older one then.
post #14479 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

As you wish; it's irrelevant for the DVR: it will spin up the drive anyway and will will keep it spinning 24/7.
So why do you think e* set it? Weak Power supply in the DTVPal?
post #14480 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

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Ah OK. I guess I would have to buy/find an used smaller older one then.

Thanks Paul for the specs. The problem might be now finding a HDD not exceeding 1T as that is not really not much by today's standards.
post #14481 of 18096
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

Thanks Paul for the specs. The problem might be now finding a HDD not exceeding 1T as that is not really not much by today's standards.
You are overstating the market smile.gif
1 TB drives are pretty common today: fresh example - WDC AV-GP 1TB EURX tested last days as TR50's drive - it formatted and did shows 142 hrs for HD.

Actually, I surprised by that fact - I was under impression the AF [4 KB sector size] drives would require special pre-processing or will not accepted by TR50's FW.
Edited by P Smith - 7/27/12 at 11:55am
post #14482 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

You are overstating the market smile.gif
1 TB drives are pretty common today: fresh example - WDC AV-GP 1TB EURX tested last days as TR50's drive - it formatted and did shows 142 hrs for HD.

I am finding a handfull at Newegg only they are 7200 RPM with larger caches. Is this an issue?
post #14483 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

So why do you think e* set it? Weak Power supply in the DTVPal?
To prevent ppl from play with its data, that is e*/dish's method to cut 90% of owners from sneaking around. No other significant reason for the setting, the drive is still spinning 24/7.
post #14484 of 18096
I found the following:

ST31000322CS Seagate Pipeline 1TB 5.9K RPM Form Factor 3.5 Inches 8MB Buffer SATA300 Internal Hard Drive. New Factory Sealed with Manufacturer warranty.

The pipeline series was designed for A/V use in DVRs.

Is this what will work?
post #14485 of 18096
By the specs - yes.

Be sure you have sufficient return time (30 days should be good) before you'll discover something what you don't like (noise, heat, pixelization, etc) and will return it no cost for you.
post #14486 of 18096
Yup..30 days and full Seagate waranty....which is probably 1 year. They used to have the best waranty for HDs. 3 years or more but Seagate went downhill and went from the gold standard to fake gold standard.
post #14487 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Yup..30 days and full Seagate waranty....which is probably 1 year. They used to have the best waranty for HDs. 3 years or more but Seagate went downhill and went from the gold standard to fake gold standard.

Where are you looking and price? found it here but don't know anything about them. http://www.allhdd.com/st31000322cs-seagate-pipeline-1tb-5-9k-rpm-form-factor-3-5-inches-8mb-buffer-sata300-internal-hard-drive-new-bulk-pack-.html

Always good to keep up with models that work. Hopefully I won't ever have to change mine but things happen.

Let us know if you buy and how it works.
post #14488 of 18096
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

Where are you looking and price? found it here but don't know anything about them. http://www.allhdd.com/st31000322cs-seagate-pipeline-1tb-5-9k-rpm-form-factor-3-5-inches-8mb-buffer-sata300-internal-hard-drive-new-bulk-pack-.html
Always good to keep up with models that work. Hopefully I won't ever have to change mine but things happen.
Let us know if you buy and how it works.

Yes this is the place. I'm a big time fan and customer of Newegg but they are out of these drives and may never get them back in. I never did business with this company but I checked reviews of them from various reviewers and they seem to get decent reviews. They are NOT a Seagate authorized reseller from what I can find from Seagate so that may be problematic if I do run into issues.

The process to order etc was very good. Shipping included in price which was reasonable. Plus I get to put the PALDVR 250 GB drive in my computer to use for backups so its win win.

I did not get the bulk pack though. I got another one they are selling new in the box unopened with Seagate warrantty and their 30 day. It was another $6 or so including shipping.
post #14489 of 18096
There has been discussion on a Linux related forum or list (can't remember where) about the unreliability of recent Seagate drives. If I was going to replace the drive in my Pal it would be with a WD.
post #14490 of 18096
Do you have a link to the Seagate discussion?

I just bought s new Seagate external drive with the Thunderbolt port.
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