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post #14761 of 16895
10/21/12 at 7:11pm
Taking as a matter of nothing changed but flash storage content : its parts - bootloader is protected from changing, so only FW and user's settings; FW should be protected by CRC , that would left user's settings and its location.
It would tell about bad designer's decision: not use separate NVRAM (serial EEPROM as all other models in the World) for user's config, timers, etc and store everything in one physical chip. Britts went own way for its design and set the model's trap with time bomb.
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post #14762 of 16895
10/21/12 at 7:30pm
anybody with hdd knowledge please help....would the western digital WD10EURX work? it is a av-gp sata III spec'd for dvr's it has some great reviews from tivo owners on amazon..
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post #14763 of 16895
10/21/12 at 8:43pm
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anybody with hdd knowledge please help....would the western digital WD10EURX work? it is a av-gp sata III spec'd for dvr's it has some great reviews from tivo owners on amazon..
http://www.avsforum.com/search.php?containingthread[]=1099071&output=posts&action=disp&search=WD10EURX&resultSortingPreference=recency
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post #14764 of 16895
10/23/12 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

anybody with hdd knowledge please help....would the western digital WD10EURX work? it is a av-gp sata III spec'd for dvr's it has some great reviews from tivo owners on amazon..

There is also another newer Western Digital drive we have used successfully and is documented on this forum and seems to be available: WD10EARX
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post #14765 of 16895
10/24/12 at 8:49pm
Three days ago and some hours ago I had to reset my DTVPal DVR to factory defaults.  Ever since then I can't get TVGOS back (it comes on WBBM in Chicago), only PSIP.

In "Preferences" I selected it to be Enabled (not on the screen for TVGuide+ and other such downstream analog devices, of which I have none, but on the same screen where you select whether the program guide should display with the channels in ascending or descending order), and I've tried reselecting that setting several times, and then of course waiting for the next TVGOS update, but nothing changes.  Before the reset I had the TV Guide logo on the guide pages and TVGOS info for a week ahead of time; now the logo is absent and I get one day of PSIP info or less (however much the individual station reluctantly provides).

Is there something I'm doing wrong?  If so, what?  In case not, I've also asked on the Chicago OTA reception thread whether other people around here are also failing to get TVGOS from WBBM these last few days.
 
Edited by dattier - 10/24/12 at 8:57pm
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post #14766 of 16895
10/24/12 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Three days ago and some hours ago I had to reset my DTVPal DVR to factory defaults.  Ever since then I can't get TVGOS back (it comes on WBBM in Chicago), only PSIP.
In "Preferences" I selected it to be Enabled (not on the screen for TVGuide+ and other such downstream analog devices, of which I have none, but on the same screen where you select whether the program guide should display with the channels in ascending or descending order), and I've tried reselecting that setting several times, and then of course waiting for the next TVGOS update, but nothing changes.  Before the reset I had the TV Guide logo on the guide pages and TVGOS info for a week ahead of time; now the logo is absent and I get one day of PSIP info or less (however much the individual station reluctantly provides).
Is there something I'm doing wrong?  If so, what?  In case not, I've also asked on the Chicago OTA reception thread whether other people around here are also failing to get TVGOS from WBBM these last few days.
 

All I can think is to make sure you entered the correct zip code. If you leave the zip code at 00000 (the default), or you enter a zip code outside of the area covered by WBBM, then you'll never get the TVGOS data.

Mark
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post #14767 of 16895
10/25/12 at 7:42am
Mark,

I had entered my home zip code, which is within WBBM's area, and which worked just fine when I first set the unit up in 2010, and had double-checked that yesterday some hours before posting.

Maybe I'll try the zip code of WBBM's studios.
 
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post #14768 of 16895
10/25/12 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

WD10EARX so far is working fine in my DTVPAL.
Two months later.. still working OK? If so I will probably order one. The "EVVS" I looked at a while back and have one in my DTVPal #1 has doubled in price so I think I'll grab a new EARX for a spare for DTVPal #2 while still reasonably priced. Thanks for any info!
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post #14769 of 16895
10/25/12 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

Two months later.. still working OK? If so I will probably order one. The "EVVS" I looked at a while back and have one in my DTVPal #1 has doubled in price so I think I'll grab a new EARX for a spare for DTVPal #2 while still reasonably priced. Thanks for any info!

Yes.....I have been very heavily recording since September's new shows came on and it has been trouble free. I believe others on this forum have also bought and installed WD10EARX. If they are watching this forum they can chime in too with their experience with this drive.
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post #14770 of 16895
10/25/12 at 3:06pm
Yes, same drive working OK last month: two tuners simultaneously, back-to-back recordings and very long recordings (12 hrs).
Edited by P Smith - 10/25/12 at 8:45pm
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post #14771 of 16895
10/25/12 at 8:23pm
My tuners seemed to have failed watching live tv. I can't pick up any channels with a scan, but scheduled recordings will record. I just can't seem to be able to watch live with the tuners. Has this problem been noticed by anyone else?
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post #14772 of 16895
10/25/12 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

Sounds like a bad connection between the Pal and your TV. Did you check that cable?

I don't get your logic. What could the cable possibly have to do with that?
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post #14773 of 16895
10/26/12 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by GopherClone View Post

My tuners seemed to have failed watching live tv. I can't pick up any channels with a scan, but scheduled recordings will record. I just can't seem to be able to watch live with the tuners. Has this problem been noticed by anyone else?
If you do a scan and end up with 0 channels in your channel list, it is quite impossible for scheduled recordings to record (and, I presume, play back). I don't think you are describing your problem correctly.
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post #14774 of 16895
10/26/12 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by GopherClone View Post

My tuners seemed to have failed watching live tv. I can't pick up any channels with a scan, but scheduled recordings will record. I just can't seem to be able to watch live with the tuners. Has this problem been noticed by anyone else?
Quite puzzling description.
Are you sure you can watch new recordings ? Perhaps these are old. Try cold reboot.
Check also your guide - can you pick a channel and view it from there ?
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post #14775 of 16895
10/26/12 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Quite puzzling description.
Are you sure you can watch new recordings ? Perhaps these are old. Try cold reboot.
Check also your guide - can you pick a channel and view it from there ?

Can you get anything in analog passthru or with the DVR off (depends on how you connected to your TV). I see a reset to factory defaults in your future.
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post #14776 of 16895
10/26/12 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Yes.....I have been very heavily recording since September's new shows came on and it has been trouble free. I believe others on this forum have also bought and installed WD10EARX. If they are watching this forum they can chime in too with their experience with this drive.

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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Yes, same drive working OK last month: two tuners simultaneously, back-to-back recordings and very long recordings (12 hrs).

Thanks guys! Got one on the way.
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post #14777 of 16895
10/26/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

Can you get anything in analog passthru or with the DVR off ...
In "Analog Pass-Through" mode sounds like it could be the the cause of the problem. These don't feed antenna signal to the internal tuners in "pass-through" mode, unlike a VCR does when in "TV" mode the VCR tuner would still get signal. Never have figured out the purpose why the DTVPal was set up that way. Originally I wanted to send HDMI to my main HD TV and have the antenna signal pass through to the other TV sets down line in the house. Doesn't work that way. Had to add a splitter to do that.
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post #14778 of 16895
10/26/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

In "Analog Pass-Through" mode sounds like it could be the the cause of the problem. These don't feed antenna signal to the internal tuners in "pass-through" mode, unlike a VCR does when in "TV" mode the VCR tuner would still get signal.
They do; you can record on one or both tuners while the DVR is in passthrough mode and watch a third channel on the television as pulled in by the TV's own tuner.
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Originally I wanted to send HDMI to the main HD TV and have the antenna signal pass through to the other TV sets down line in the house. Doesn't work that way. Had to add a splitter to do that.
There's a different reason for that: while passthrough is in effect, all the other outputs (HDMI, component, and composite) are turned off.  The DVR's internal tuners still receive the signal during passthrough mode, but it isn't output and you can't watch it.
 
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post #14779 of 16895
10/26/12 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

They do; you can record on one or both tuners while the DVR is in passthrough mode and watch a third channel on the television as pulled in by the TV's own tuner.There's a different reason for that: while passthrough is in effect, all the other outputs (HDMI, component, and composite) are turned off.  The DVR's internal tuners still receive the signal during passthrough mode, but it isn't output and you can't watch it.
 

Ah OK. I never got that far to see if it would record that way. When it killed the HDMI output to the TV in the living room I stopped there. Not what I wanted or expected. Why would they have it disable the HDMI and video outputs in pass-through still makes zero sense to me. I cannot think of any user situation that would apply to.
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post #14780 of 16895
10/26/12 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

When it killed the HDMI output to the TV in the living room I stopped there.
Understandable.
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Why would they have it disable the HDMI and video outputs in pass-through still makes zero sense to me. I cannot think of any user situation that would apply to.
Agreed.  The Zinwell CECB's, for example, keep the composite output alive during passthrough, so that you can send the unit's selected channel to the composite inputs of a VCR while you watch another channel in real-time on a television down the coax path.
 
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post #14781 of 16895
10/26/12 at 7:10pm
Here's something new and odd I just noticed. On my #1 DTVPal the TV Guide info ends Sunday morning around 7 AM on every channel EXCEPT the NBC main and sub channel (5.1, 5.2) go out to next Thursday. My #2 DTVPal has all the program info for all the stations that usually have it, out to next Thursday. Both have the same F208.
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post #14782 of 16895
10/26/12 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

Here's something new and odd I just noticed. On my #1 DTVPal the TV Guide info ends Sunday morning around 7 AM on every channel EXCEPT the NBC main and sub channel (5.1, 5.2) go out to next Thursday. My #2 DTVPal has all the program info for all the stations that usually have it, out to next Thursday. Both have the same F208.
Are both set to the same zipcode?
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post #14783 of 16895
10/26/12 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

Here's something new and odd I just noticed. On my #1 DTVPal the TV Guide info ends Sunday morning around 7 AM on every channel EXCEPT the NBC main and sub channel (5.1, 5.2) go out to next Thursday. My #2 DTVPal has all the program info for all the stations that usually have it, out to next Thursday. Both have the same F208.
While this does sound odd, the end of DST is only a week away Sunday, and these machines have been known to go a little berserk this time of year.
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post #14784 of 16895
10/26/12 at 7:42pm
Remember that Daylight Saving Time used to end on the last Sunday of October, but it got extended to the first Sunday of November a few years ago. It's likely that some stations will have inconsistent clocks and guide data for a few weeks surrounding the old and new time-change dates, and depending on when individual DVRs refresh their guides, they may acquire the borked data at different times.
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post #14785 of 16895
10/26/12 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Are both set to the same zipcode?
Yes.

If a DST problem they should both be showing the same I would think since they are set up the same and on the same antenna. That's what is so odd. Also I've never seen the DST issues before with #1 DTVPal which I've owned about 4 years now.

UPDATE: I set the DTVPal to Ch 11 the CBS station last night and went to bed. This morning it was still missing the TV Guide info except for the NBC channels as described above. So I did a factory default reset and now TV Guide is back, all channels are there going out a full week.

I have no idea why DTVPal #1 got confused, but DTVPal #2 didn't..confused.gif
Edited by ed_in_tx - 10/27/12 at 8:41am
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post #14786 of 16895
10/27/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

Ah OK. I never got that far to see if it would record that way. When it killed the HDMI output to the TV in the living room I stopped there. Not what I wanted or expected. Why would they have it disable the HDMI and video outputs in pass-through still makes zero sense to me. I cannot think of any user situation that would apply to.

I agree that there is not much chance of using it unless all you have is an old analog TV but normally the DVR sends decoder output everywhere. By that I mean you can play back a recording and there is RF out that you can connect to a TV. In passthru the input signal goes to the tuners and to RF out so you can record two things and watch a third live channel.

I only asked the question to make sure the signal was getting to the DVR and the answer would only be meaningful if RF out was connected to the antenna input on the TV.
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post #14787 of 16895
10/27/12 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

So I did a factory default reset and now TV Guide is back, all channels are there going out a full week.
And here I *lost* TVGOS by doing a factory reset.  Maybe I should try another ...
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post #14788 of 16895
10/27/12 at 12:02pm
I wonder if anyone with a malfunctioning TV Guide has tried turning OFF the TV Guide in the setup menu, then turning it back ON to possibly make it search again. Please try that and see what happens. I thought about doing that but was after I did the default reset and got it back.
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post #14789 of 16895
10/27/12 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

I wonder if anyone with a malfunctioning TV Guide has tried turning OFF the TV Guide in the setup menu, then turning it back ON to possibly make it search again. Please try that and see what happens. I thought about doing that but was after I did the default reset and got it back.
See #7 in http://www.avsforum.com/t/1099071/the-official-avs-dish-dtvpal-dvr-topic 's first post. And I believe I tried that before last year when I had my DVR powered off for the summer to save power and make less heat since nothing was on TV. Its TV Guide was lost (could never get it back) to force me to reset back to factory settings. frown.gif
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post #14790 of 16895
10/27/12 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

See #7 in http://www.avsforum.com/t/1099071/the-official-avs-dish-dtvpal-dvr-topic 's first post. And I believe I tried that before last year when I had my DVR powered off for the summer to save power and make less heat since nothing was on TV. Its TV Guide was lost (could never get it back) to force me to reset back to factory settings. frown.gif
Yes I've read that a few times now, searching, re-reading to see if anything's been updated. (Still says you can buy one at Sears for $200!) .

Not sure where "An Ant Farm" is geographically located. smile.gif The TVGOS has always been reliable for me in the DFW area since I got my first DTVPal almost 4 years ago. I recall a couple of years ago I had it go away with an older version F206 I think it was, and it came back when I updated it to F208. But that might have been a result of a full reset too. #7 says "It may periodically go offline for days or weeks for maintenance." I've never seen it do that for any length of time here. KTVT Ch 11 CBS is the station. Do you know of any other TVGOS equipped sets that do work properly in your area? Or did it come back with the default reset?
Edited by ed_in_tx - 10/27/12 at 12:42pm
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