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post #1561 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGuheert View Post

I don't have a USB fan to use for testing, but I did just test to see if it would spin up a 500 GB 2.5" external drive. No problem: it spins up and the DTVPal DVR detects it just fine.....

Did it increase your amount of available recording time?
post #1562 of 17068
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Originally Posted by chapelrun View Post

If you want to go directly to get the F202 update it is here.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/dtvpal/do...202_06UC00.upd

And yes, many thanks for pointing this out!

Interestingly, if you just go to the DTVPal site directly, and then click on support, it says "TDVPal DVR Software Downloads - Coming Soon". If you click on DTVPal DVR at the top of the page, THEN click "support", you get the downloads.

Also, when I tried to order online, it was first showing up as a non-secure site. Later, after logging into my dishnetwork account first, the DTVPal.com site showed up with "https:", so WAS secure!

Clearly, these guys need some lessons in software/firmware development and testing.

Does anyone know what F202 fixes yet? I'm this close to ordering one, but wonder if I should wait until they actually fix the reboot issue. I'm a little distrustfull when these guys say the reboot issue is "firmware".
post #1563 of 17068
No clues on what if anything was fixed on F202.
post #1564 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by chapelrun View Post

If you want to go directly to get the F202 update it is here.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/dtvpal/do...202_06UC00.upd

And yes, many thanks for pointing this out!

Curiously, the file name has "TR50" in it. (That would certainly be simpler to write then "DTVPal DVR".)
post #1565 of 17068
Sounds like it may still be the inside name for it, originally 'Echostar Sling TR-50 DVR'.
post #1566 of 17068
[quote=Sailn;15561713]
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Originally Posted by Fred-Tel View Post


Actually, nothing low tech about it. It is the right way to do it. IMHO rotators are a PITA. The biggest problem you will have is if the 2 antennas are 180 degrees apart ( if the signal is very strong, even with high back rejection you can still receive a signal, this can cause multipath problems. )

Oh BTW, the leads from the 2 antennas do not have to be 6 ft, they just have to be the same length.

I have done the same thing ( one LD uhf/vhf for almost all my HD channels and a MD uhf for the one PBS station that is in another direction ) works great.

Something I do and it has worked well for me years now. I recently purchased a CM4228 pointing west and a cyd-1430 to point south each with a separate 7777 channel master preamp. The cm4228 Bowtie antenna's db gain is excellent from channels 7-10 and from 30-69 but is not as good from channels 14-35. The CYD 1430 channel master is great from channels 14 to 35. I have both on a rotor so I have high gain throughout the spectrum. I chose to eliminate VHF-lo (2-6) because all ATSC in my area don't use those channels thus making the size of antennas required extremely small compaired to what I previously had and now have much higher gain than I did with my 20 foot long combination antenna.

Here is how I get the two antennas to play nice with one another. When I have problems with the two antennas competing with one another I simply turn off west or south antenna's preamp by means of x-10 remote power plug modules. This instantly takes care of any interference.

Try it. You get the best of both worlds.
post #1567 of 17068
Tried two different usb drives, one made by Kingston, one by SanDisk....followed the instructions on the website without results.

When I insert the usb drive, it's recognized but that's it.
The Pal DVR doesn't give any other screens other that a USB divice has been inserted.
After 30 seconds, that goes away and I sit there staring at the screen ..waiting .

Nothing
post #1568 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV Sparky View Post

Tried two different usb drives, one made by Kingston, one by SanDisk....followed the instructions on the website without results.

When I insert the usb drive, it's recognized but that's it.
The Pal DVR doesn't give any other screens other that a USB divice has been inserted.
After 30 seconds, that goes away and I sit there staring at the screen ..waiting .

Nothing

Perhaps we now know what F202 fixes: Support for firmware updates through the USB port.
post #1569 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV Sparky View Post

Tried two different usb drives, one made by Kingston, one by SanDisk....followed the instructions on the website without results.

When I insert the usb drive, it's recognized but that's it.
The Pal DVR doesn't give any other screens other that a USB divice has been inserted.
After 30 seconds, that goes away and I sit there staring at the screen ..waiting .

Nothing

Did you create the new folder in the flash drive named "update" (without the quotes) and put the file in that folder?
post #1570 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by chapelrun View Post

If you want to go directly to get the F202 update it is here.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/dtvpal/do...202_06UC00.upd

And yes, many thanks for pointing this out!

Does anyone have a link for the F201 software? Interestingly, I updated my firmware to 202 a week or so ago and then a few nights ago, I had two occurrences of the unit rebooting and downloading the guide data during a recording all within an hour. Never had that issue with the original. Makes me think the F202 is a bad update. Anyone find the F201 software?
post #1571 of 17068
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Did you create the new folder in the flash drive named "update" (without the quotes) and put the file in that folder?

Yes I did. Created the new folder (without the quotes)
Went over the instructions more than once.
Was very careful to follow the instructions.

Just waiting for others to post how it went with them.
post #1572 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrisn View Post

Does anyone have a link for the F201 software? Interestingly, I updated my firmware to 202 a week or so ago and then a few nights ago, I had two occurrences of the unit rebooting and downloading the guide data during a recording all within an hour. Never had that issue with the original. Makes me think the F202 is a bad update. Anyone find the F201 software?

Maybe my failure to install the new firmware was a good thing.
After all......I ask myself, why did I even try.
It's doing just fine with the original firmware !!
post #1573 of 17068
Ideally when using the USB update method -
use a flashdrive, that has been formatted with FAT32, so there is no "applications" that may try to load. Some brands of USB sticks may work better than others. I have a Sony 256 MB one that works like a champ.

Follow the instructions as given - folder off the root called update, and don't change the name of the update file / extension. It should be just over 8 MB . Make sure you have extracted it from the zip, and it's the .upd file that needs to be in /update .
post #1574 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV Sparky View Post

Yes I did. Created the new folder (without the quotes)
Went over the instructions more than once.
Was very careful to follow the instructions.

Just waiting for others to post how it went with them.

What file format was your thumbdrive? Maybe it is looking for a FAT32 format. I know most newer (larger) drives are format NTFS out of the box.
post #1575 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV Sparky View Post

Maybe my failure to install the new firmware was a good thing.
After all......I ask myself, why did I even try.
It's doing just fine with the original firmware !!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
post #1576 of 17068
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

what file format was your thumbdrive? Maybe it is looking for a fat32 format. I know most newer (larger) drives are format ntfs out of the box.

fat32
post #1577 of 17068
If you don't get an Axxx error this won't help but if you go to http://tech.dishnetwork.com/departme...ver/tr50.shtml the errors are described. Some just state the obvious but some give suggestions on what to do.
post #1578 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGuheert View Post

I don't have a USB fan to use for testing, but I did just test to see if it would spin up a 500 GB 2.5" external drive. No problem: it spins up and the DTVPal DVR detects it just fine.

One thing interesting about the DTVPal DVR is that there are NO holes in the bottom of the unit for cooling. This solid plastic plate *does* get somewhat warm. I would venture to say that a laptop chill mat might lower the temperature somewhat. Please let us know if you try it!

Can you record to the external drive? This should be interesting if it does.
post #1579 of 17068
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

If you don't get an Axxx error this won't help but if you go to http://tech.dishnetwork.com/departme...ver/tr50.shtml the errors are described. Some just state the obvious but some give suggestions on what to do.

Sweet! Thanks for that link.

edit: A652 is not listed.

edit2: They also don't have reboots listed. They have frozen video and in the help for it is recommended powering off each night. I wonder if anyone that is having freeze/reboot issues is leaving their unit on all the time? I turn mine off each night.
post #1580 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by chapelrun View Post

If you want to go directly to get the F202 update it is here.

http://www.dishnetwork.com/dtvpal/do...202_06UC00.upd

And yes, many thanks for pointing this out!

Someone had a signature previously that listed firmwares F202 and F203. Now I cannot find that signature. Does anyone know why F203 was listed?
post #1581 of 17068
Interesting Error Codes:

A613 You can only set a maximum of 5 timers.
A612 Shows screenshot of overlapping timers instead of just a message. (Much more detailed)
post #1582 of 17068
A613 would be more applicable the the DTVPAL, not the DVR
post #1583 of 17068
Well had my first reboot this evening.

Also the last two maybe three days some of my recordings have broke themselves into two different segments usually toward the end of the show and I end up missing like a minute or two between the segments.
post #1584 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV Sparky View Post

Yes I did. Created the new folder (without the quotes)
Went over the instructions more than once.
Was very careful to follow the instructions.

Just waiting for others to post how it went with them.


Update went fine for me...just like it said in the instructions. Make sure you aren't using one of those flash drives that has encryption and that its just a normal formatted USB drive. I had all kinds of other folders in there as well but it looks for the 'update' folder to update. I don't see any difference so no need to really update now anyway.
post #1585 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

If you don't get an Axxx error this won't help but if you go to http://tech.dishnetwork.com/departme...ver/tr50.shtml the errors are described. Some just state the obvious but some give suggestions on what to do.

Thanks, Will! Great find!
Quote:
Originally Posted by isnms View Post

Sweet! Thanks for that link.

edit: A652 is not listed.

edit2: They also don't have reboots listed. They have frozen video and in the help for it is recommended powering off each night. I wonder if anyone that is having freeze/reboot issues is leaving their unit on all the time? I turn mine off each night.

Have a look under Symptom->Overheating:

"Symptom
Rebooting, or message stating that their DTVPal DVR is overheating.

Cause
This message appears when the DTVPal DVR's temperature is too high for it to operate properly.

Prevention
This can be prevented by keeping the DTVPal DVR in an open area with adequate airflow to avoid overheating.

Troubleshooting

1. Verify the DTVPal DVR is in an open area to receive good airflow for cooling.

2. If the DTVPal DVR is in an enclosed space, the DTVPal DVR must be moved to prevent damage from overheating.

3. Unplug the DTV Pal DVR from the AC electrical outlet, plug the DTV Pal DVR back in and power it on.

4. If the problem persists please contact us or a local independent retailer for additional assistance."

Questions:

Does a house qualify as an enclosed space?

I wonder where you can find a "local independent retailer"? Also, it seems the may have left off a few causes:

5. Malfunctioning hardware.

6. Improperly-designed hardware.

7. Firmware bugs.

8. If connected via HDMI, make sure your TV is not instructing the DTVPal DVR to reboot itself just when you are recording or watching a show you really care about.

9. Verify your DTVPal is not plugged into a switched outlet.
post #1586 of 17068
Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGuheert View Post

Thanks, Will! Great find!Have a look under Symptom->Overheating:

"Symptom
Rebooting, or message stating that their DTVPal DVR is overheating.

Cause
This message appears when the DTVPal DVR's temperature is too high for it to operate properly.

According to the manual, the operating range is 40-113F, so unless you have it installed in a tightly enclosed cabinet or next to a heater, heat would seem unlikely. Has anyone seen the overheating message? Anyone care to simulate to see if it actually exists ?

By the way - for those following along. I'm going on 3 days now and no power cycles since moving from HDMI to Component, however, it has been noticeably cooler in my house the last few days too. I also remember there being a fair amount of heat at the HDMI connector when I unplugged it so now I'm wondering if its the temp drop or the cable. I'll know when this cold front moves out. In either case, there was a VERY noticeable change in behavior for the better over the past three days. Enough change to say my problem has been resolved.
post #1587 of 17068
bfdtv

Thanks for keeping the first post updated.

Everybody should check it out every so often, its a great review.

Thanks again

Jay
post #1588 of 17068
[quote=honeymonkey;15565302]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailn View Post

Something I do and it has worked well for me years now. I recently purchased a CM4228 pointing west and a cyd-1430 to point south each with a separate 7777 channel master preamp. The cm4228 Bowtie antenna's db gain is excellent from channels 7-10 and from 30-69 but is not as good from channels 14-35. The CYD 1430 channel master is great from channels 14 to 35. I have both on a rotor so I have high gain throughout the spectrum. I chose to eliminate VHF-lo (2-6) because all ATSC in my area don't use those channels thus making the size of antennas required extremely small compaired to what I previously had and now have much higher gain than I did with my 20 foot long combination antenna.

Here is how I get the two antennas to play nice with one another. When I have problems with the two antennas competing with one another I simply turn off west or south antenna's preamp by means of x-10 remote power plug modules. This instantly takes care of any interference.

Try it. You get the best of both worlds.

What happens when you want to watch 2 stations and each is on a different antenna?
post #1589 of 17068
RegGuheert

Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGuheert View Post

I don't have a USB fan to use for testing, but I did just test to see if it would spin up a 500 GB 2.5" external drive. No problem: it spins up and the DTVPal DVR detects it just fine.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProsPops View Post

Did it increase your amount of available recording time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustForAV View Post

Can you record to the external drive? This should be interesting if it does.

Can you answer these questions for us please.
post #1590 of 17068
It is encouraging that the Pal DVR (when using TVGOS) sees the daily changes in a programs scheduled start time. I.E. Last night when W did his thing my guide almost immediately changed to reflect the times the following programs were then set to begin, and the timers I had set to fire were also changed. They went off without a hitch and recorded from the beginning of the shows, but.

It is discouraging that the Pal DVR (when using TVGOS) does NOT see the time for the end of a show that has been pushed forward buy such an event as last night. Meaning, even though the timers fired at the proper start time, they ended at the normal scheduled end time and that means you lose the end of the show.

I am hoping this would be a software issue that could be fixed.
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