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post #15631 of 16889
1/15/13 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

That type of copy will works only for exactly same model of HDD. Else the DVR will reformat new drive; just a few sectors difference and puff, all data is gone.
But technically it is possible to transfer all your events to new bigger drive. PM me if you'll need the service.

P Smith, I just sent you a PM.
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post #15632 of 16889
1/16/13 at 8:45am
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Plus, it'd make it easier to copy your recordings to other Pals than with a PC and Ghost wink.gif
If you use Ghost to copy a HDD will the copied HDD work in the Pal DVR? Also if you copy a 250 GB to a 1 TB HDD can you still add more recordings to the 1 TB HDD since it will only be partially filled? Thanks.smile.gif

I hope P Smith can help you with your HDD upgrade. He seems quite knowledgeable about the Pal's file system.

As P Smith said, an HDD copy only works with exact same-size drive. Same is true for RAID-1 (aka mirroring). The only advantage of RAID-1 is that it records the original and a copy at the same time, so you don't have to turn off the Pal, connect the HDD and another identical HDD to a PC, and copy it with Ghost. If you ever intend to copy your HDD for use in another Pal, a RAID-1 enclosure would save a lot of time and trouble.
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post #15633 of 16889
1/16/13 at 10:47am
PSIP Program Guide

Two stations of the Canadian Public Television networks (Radio-Canada and CBC) provide a one-week PSIP guide. In some cases, the guides even include a program description.

Why can't they all do that?
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post #15634 of 16889
1/16/13 at 10:56am
PAL archaeology: I ran across this post from a few months ago while checking on the various HDDs folks have tried in the Pal:
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... My dock has a power switch on it and I plugged the PAL unit into a power strip with a switch (otherwise you will have to unplug the PAL when changing HDDs). This is important because you must turn this on and off in a specific order. You must turn the HDD dock on first and then the PAL unit. The reverse is used when turning off. Turn off the PAL first then the HDD dock second. If you don't use this order when turning on the PAL unit will not even go on....

Interestingly, I accidentally turned on my CM-7000PAL once with the external HDD turned off and had a different experience. The PAL came up just fine. The DVR functions were unavailable (greyed out on the menu), but I was able to watch live programming and call up the program guide. Basically it acted like an HD tuner STB.

That made me wonder if Dish once planned a user-upgradeable "TR-45" version of the PAL w/ no HDD, and Charlie just changed his mind one day so Dish never marketed it.
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post #15635 of 16889
1/16/13 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by Verrdun View Post

PSIP Program Guide

Two stations of the Canadian Public Television networks (Radio-Canada and CBC) provide a one-week PSIP guide. In some cases, the guides even include a program description.

Why can't they all do that?

Often they can, but they don't have to. The US FCC only requires 12 hours of guide, and good luck getting them to enforce even that requirement.

A few dozen posts back we were discussing a Florida station that only provides 8 hours! Apparently they bought the cheapest encoder they could get by with, and 8 hours of guide is all it supports.

There's also a rumor that some converter boxes will crash if given too much guide, which makes some stations wary of even providing the 72 hours "recommended" by the FCC. Ironically, the one box for which there seems to be a grain of truth to that rumor is Dish's (the TR-40 converter box).
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post #15636 of 16889
1/16/13 at 1:55pm
I was wondering if anyone has found any way to copy recordings form the dtvpal dvr to a computer for archiving. I think the hard drive in my dvr is going bad and was thinking about replacing the drive, but I have several recordings on the current drive I would like to keep. I have read that the hard drive can be read using software made to read linux file formats. I f the files can be read using the linux software, can the files from the dvr be converted to a format readable by a bluray player? I have also considered getting a Hauppauge HD PVR2 Gaming Edition to archive my old recording. Does anyone know if the Dtvpal DVR uses HDCP on the HDMI cable, because the Hauppauge HD PVR2 will not work if it does?
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post #15637 of 16889
1/16/13 at 2:06pm
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I have read that the hard drive can be read using software made to read linux file formats

Can you post an URL to that news ?
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Does anyone know if the Dtvpal DVR uses HDCP on the HDMI cable
connected to Dell 1905FP monitor, so far no restrictions seen
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post #15638 of 16889
1/16/13 at 2:38pm
Has the plug been pulled on TVGOS in Austin? I just checked out a few days and it's reading "no information available" only. We'll know by the weekend. frown.gif
Edited by golinux - 1/17/13 at 3:06pm
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post #15639 of 16889
1/16/13 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by outatime2001 View Post

I was wondering if anyone has found any way to copy recordings form the dtvpal dvr to a computer for archiving. I think the hard drive in my dvr is going bad and was thinking about replacing the drive, but I have several recordings on the current drive I would like to keep. I have read that the hard drive can be read using software made to read linux file formats. I f the files can be read using the linux software, can the files from the dvr be converted to a format readable by a bluray player? I have also considered getting a Hauppauge HD PVR2 Gaming Edition to archive my old recording. Does anyone know if the Dtvpal DVR uses HDCP on the HDMI cable, because the Hauppauge HD PVR2 will not work if it does?

The Pal DVRs don't use Linux file systems; you may be thinking of the CM-7400. Nevertheless, if you're going to replace the HDD with the same model, and the old HDD hasn't died yet, you can copy everything to the new drive with a sector copier like Norton Ghost.

If you're going to a different (larger) model HDD, P Smith might be able to help you copy your recordings. I don't think he's developed a method of converting the data to a different file system, though. (If I'm wrong I'm sure he'll correct me.)
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post #15640 of 16889
1/16/13 at 2:57pm
It would be illegal by DMCA. frown.gif
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post #15641 of 16889
1/16/13 at 3:30pm
Can you post an URL to that news ?
I can not remember the specific url it has been awhile (about a year) since I last looked into transferring my recordings. I was hoping someone had figure out something new on this issue. If memory serves me the person was mentioned using a program call pvrexplorer.

would it be illegal to record my programs from my Dtvpal DVR onto a Hauppauge HD PVR2 and then burn them to Blu ray on my computer?
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post #15642 of 16889
1/16/13 at 4:03pm
That way it would be OK; it will be same process as record events by any recording device from any STB [or PC OTA tuner card] with component/HDMI output.

Oh. It would be illegal to sell copy of the event without permission from the content owner.
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post #15643 of 16889
1/16/13 at 6:26pm
Copying and archiving your own recordings for personal use is allowed under fair use, but since the DTVPal doesn't give you a way to transfer your recordings to another device, you can't exercise your legal rights to the content you recorded with it.
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post #15644 of 16889
1/17/13 at 9:47am
It appears that TVGOS is gone in the NY City area.
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post #15645 of 16889
1/17/13 at 10:00am
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It appears that TVGOS is gone in the NY City area.
Reading such post this year it's like be witness of Solar Eclipse smile.gif
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post #15646 of 16889
1/17/13 at 12:32pm
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Reading such post this year it's like be witness of Solar Eclipse smile.gif[/quote


Not really. A solar eclipse is fun. Losing TVGOS is NOT fun. BY the way a number of major network channels like NBC and ABC did not even show any programming beyond a few hours.
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post #15647 of 16889
1/17/13 at 12:36pm
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... Losing TVGOS is NOT fun. BY the way a number of major network channels like NBC and ABC did not even show any programming beyond a few hours.
Get used to it. frown.gif Hey, it could be worse like Sony's that become useless without TVGOS. Our DVR will become almost like a VCR with very limited TV guides (not TVGOS).
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post #15648 of 16889
1/17/13 at 1:25pm
Nay, for me it's technical observation, like real eclipse for astronomers smile.gif .
Seems to me our Bay Area TVGOS will stay up to "dusk" - perhaps last ROVI black box will be moved just 40 miles south: from SF to SC.
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post #15649 of 16889
1/17/13 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

It appears that TVGOS is gone in the NY City area.

FYI:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/26310#post_22836947

And then:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/26370#post_22843452
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post #15650 of 16889
1/17/13 at 3:29pm
"It also appears Dallas-Ft Worth has lost it. My TVGOS data begins ending Sunday ".... False alarm. Blame it on DTVPal glitch. One of my Pals still has full TVGOS out a week, the other one is incomplete starting Sunday. Time for a reset on that one. Coincidentally this is the Pal that reset itself unexpectedly 5 days ago.
Edited by ed_in_tx - 1/18/13 at 5:18am
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post #15651 of 16889
1/18/13 at 6:23am
I reset Pal #1 this morning, it found TVGOS but listings only for 2 days like it was before I reset it. Pal #2 has TVGOS out a full week, 7 days. So I am now wondering why they are behaving differently.
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post #15652 of 16889
1/18/13 at 8:09am
I posted it at Sony DSG thread - seems to me it fall in deaf ears:

Actually, if ROVI will publish they packet's structures with all flags meaning, I would say it would doable to create TVGOS gateway between say Zap2It/Titan/etc Internet web sites and OTA station network; it would be just industrial type of PC what suppose to run 24/7/365 and custom software.

My short experience with parsing TVGOS stream does tell me that. [ Timestamps (thanks Mark) and pictures parsing was the easiest part wink.gif ]

Perhaps use Kickstart for such project ? To pay for TVGOS documentation to ROVI and SW development.
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post #15653 of 16889
1/18/13 at 8:25am
The reset I did earlier was from the power button that had no effect on the guide, no change wit the partial listings. Then I did a factory reset from the menu and within an hour it had TVGOS with full listings out a week. So TVGOS is still being broadcast in DFW at this moment.
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post #15654 of 16889
1/18/13 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I posted it at Sony DSG thread - seems to me it fall in deaf ears:

Actually, if ROVI will publish they packet's structures with all flags meaning, I would say it would doable to create TVGOS gateway between say Zap2It/Titan/etc Internet web sites and OTA station network; it would be just industrial type of PC what suppose to run 24/7/365 and custom software.

My short experience with parsing TVGOS stream does tell me that. [ Timestamps (thanks Mark) and pictures parsing was the easiest part wink.gif ]

Perhaps use Kickstart for such project ? To pay for TVGOS documentation to ROVI and SW development.

Just humour me here...

Would these industrial type of PC gateways run at the current TVGOS stations? At a main cloud server farm, like Amazon? Does everyone who uses a TVGOS device run their own? Who is responsible for their operation and support?

Who pays the licence fee to use the Zap2It/Titan/etc listings data? Would they even be open to licencing out their data for this use?
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post #15655 of 16889
1/18/13 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Just humour me here...

Would these industrial type of PC gateways run at the current TVGOS stations?
Unfortunately, the box must be located at station's premises - each station make own mux with the TVGOS PID(s) and our devices like the DVR or Sony DSG expect to parse TVGOS data from current mux, from OTA signal.
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At a main cloud server farm, like Amazon? Does everyone who uses a TVGOS device run their own? Who is responsible for their operation and support?

Who pays the licence fee to use the Zap2It/Titan/etc listings data? Would they even be open to licencing out their data for this use?
There is a new site what allow to use it for small $20 fee per connection (I don't remember exactly, but the post should be in the thread).

Follow the path, we could avoid pretty much lost fight for a open source code from Sony or E* for all millions of the boxes.
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post #15656 of 16889
1/18/13 at 11:52am
TVGOS appears to be gone in Chicago, and most local stations’ PSIP guides are paltry.
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post #15657 of 16889
1/18/13 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

TVGOS appears to be gone in Chicago, and most local stations’ PSIP guides are paltry.
True:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/537711/sony-dhg-hdd250-500-official-thread/26370#post_22847038
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post #15658 of 16889
1/18/13 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

It would be illegal by DMCA. frown.gif

Are you saying the files are encrypted, or merely reverse engineering the file system is contrary to the DMCA? (That's not how I read the law.) And anyhow, what in heck is Dish doing making unencrypted OTA broadcasts which are recorded every day by millions of people using ATSC tuners in their PCs, encrypted or otherwise obfuscated? mad.gif
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post #15659 of 16889
1/18/13 at 2:52pm

Rovi seems to be in a hurry to end support.  It looks like Portland (OR) TVGOS will be gone early Tuesday morning.  Meanwhile, the Pal hangs up every time it  is on.  I'll do a reset after Fringe finale records.

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post #15660 of 16889
1/18/13 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

TVGOS appears to be gone in Chicago, and most local stations’ PSIP guides are paltry.

Gone in Raleigh - at least it looks that way...

PBS stations go out 2 days, most major stations about 12-24 hours.
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