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post #15721 of 18096
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Originally Posted by jrpastore View Post

Even if you're like dattier, and don't mind doing this, within another month or so after that, you're clock will be so far off that keeping track of your schedule will be unworkable.
First, I would mind doing a lot of it, but "a lot" varies from individual to individual.  Second, being like me includes being tied to one location and not free to travel, so I will be able to check the clock daily and to correct it if it gets to be more than a minute out of whack, once it has unlocked (or been unlocked if I do a factory-defaults reset).
post #15722 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

The problem with WGBO doesn't seem specific to the Pal. Could be something hinky with their PSIP.
Correct.  The one set that displays their guide also shows the date, which is stuck on January 13; that could be the cause.  The other tuners may consider WGBO's guide info stale.
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I suggest contacting WGBO ...
In my experience, that's a waste of time and effort.  As I'm not part of their target demographic, there's even less chance that they'd give a hell about my opinion or my observations than other stations have.
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WXFT is more puzzling, though. I assume you just have the same program on different subchannels (one SD and ohe HD), but the Pal only shows guide info for the HD channel, while all your TVs show (identical) guide info for both channels.
Right.
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I'd try deleting both subchannels of WXFT, rebooting, then adding them back to see if it makes a difference.
Thank you.  I might.
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If that doesn't help you may have to rerun the setup wizard or do a factory default reset (which reruns the setup wizard).
Too destructive for a station I don't watch.  I haven't a lot of non-default settings to rekey, but it's a pain to remember my scheduled recordings and reenter those.
post #15723 of 18096
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

Let us know whether the clock is still unlocked the next time you check it.
Yes, the clock is still unlocked. But something funny happened this morning. Two of my stations, K-EYE and KNVA weren't tuning at all - zero signal. I ended up deleting them and then searching for new channels. Then the Pal found them. Weird.
post #15724 of 18096
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

TVGOS ended early this morning, so I tried a soft reset with TVGOS disabled and zipcode at 00000 -- and the clock is grayed out still.
Maybe try deleting the station that was sending TVGOS and do another soft reset?
post #15725 of 18096
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post


Maybe try deleting the station that was sending TVGOS and do another soft reset?

 

Out of curiosity only, I tried this.  I wrote down my CBS timers, and leaving zip all zeros and TVGOS disabled, I deleted CBS.  After soft reset, clock was accessible.  As expected, CBS timers were deleted.  When I added back CBS to set up my timers again, the clock once again was grayed out. 

post #15726 of 18096
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I'd try deleting both subchannels of WXFT, rebooting, then adding them back to see if it makes a difference.
Thank you.  I might.
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If that doesn't help you may have to rerun the setup wizard or do a factory default reset (which reruns the setup wizard).
Too destructive for a station I don't watch.  I haven't a lot of non-default settings to rekey, but it's a pain to remember my scheduled recordings and reenter those.
Much like my situation with 68.4. I have two Pals and 68.4 is on one, but the other Pal refuses to add it. I've tried everything short of rerunning the setup wizard, which zaps all your channels and timers. That's too much trouble for a channel I don't watch. I may give it a whirl when DFW loses TVGoS, especially if that happens near DST Sunday.
post #15727 of 18096
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

Maybe try deleting the station that was sending TVGOS and do another soft reset?

Out of curiosity only, I tried this.  I wrote down my CBS timers, and leaving zip all zeros and TVGOS disabled, I deleted CBS.  After soft reset, clock was accessible.  As expected, CBS timers were deleted.  When I added back CBS to set up my timers again, the clock once again was grayed out. 

Bizarre! It sounds almost as if your CBS station is sending a TVGoS packet stream with no guide data (time packets only). Except then GoLinux would be experiencing the same problem.

Maybe try to live with the issue until March 10, then do a factory defaults reset (since your timers will likely be wrong anyhow due to DST)?
Edited by JHBrandt - 1/22/13 at 11:25am
post #15728 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

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Originally Posted by jrpastore View Post

Most of us are doing exactly that twice per year anyway because it is the most reliable method of crossing a DST transition.

I think if you'd substitute the word "some" for "most" you'd be much closer to the truth. Some (probably most) of us have no problems at all with the time change. Like any other problem with these devices, you hear most from those with trouble, and nothing at all from those with little or no problems.

We ought to do a poll on this. I think the DTVPal community divides into three groups:
  1. Those who haven't experienced problems with DST
  2. Those who have, and who do a factory defaults reset to deal with it
  3. Those who have, but who fix their timers manually

I suspect the last group is largest, but probably still a minority
post #15729 of 18096
I do a factory reset 2x a year when time changes. So much eaasier than hoping it works OK. We still have tvgos here in el paso tx
post #15730 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

We ought to do a poll on this. I think the DTVPal community divides into three groups:
  1. Those who haven't experienced problems with DST
  2. Those who have, and who do a factory defaults reset to deal with it
  3. Those who have, but who fix their timers manually

I suspect the last group is largest, but probably still a minority

Only the most enlightened activists are represented here, so that wouldn't give any true indication. The vast majority of DTVPalDVR owners never have been participants here. If you actually look this thread over, you'll see the vast majority of the posts are from a very few people in comparison to the number of DTVPal owners.
post #15731 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

We ought to do a poll on this. I think the DTVPal community divides into three groups:
  1. Those who haven't experienced problems with DST
  2. Those who have, and who do a factory defaults reset to deal with it
  3. Those who have, but who fix their timers manually

I suspect the last group is largest, but probably still a minority
4. Those who, expecting problems despite never having personally experienced this trouble, fix their timers manually and can't rightly say what would have happened if they hadn't.  (raising a hand, or a frond if you want to make a pun on my handle)
 
Edited by dattier - 1/23/13 at 10:20am
post #15732 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

Only the most enlightened activists are represented here, so that wouldn't give any true indication. The vast majority of DTVPalDVR owners never have been participants here. If you actually look this thread over, you'll see the vast majority of the posts are from a very few people in comparison to the number of DTVPal owners.
I count 830 discrete posters in this thread. Add to that a bunch of non-posting lurkers and almost 2 million views. I would say a fair fraction of the ownership is at least aware of this thread.
post #15733 of 18096
Here in S. Cal,, only about two DST transitions have had messed up timers on my two DTVpals - mostly misplaced or 'floating' timers, which I deleted manually when they occurred, and re-established at the correct time. Actually other than a potential clock issue in the future, I do not anticipate much problem with my DYVpals after TVguide loss. I will most likely use the PSIP guide as usual for my recording and adjust as needed for clock slippage.

I have been VERY pleased with the performance of my two 1T DTVpals, and the recording convenience with the bugs has been far above my previous VCR's. I will be ordering a pair of new backup/spare 1T drives for future drive failures. The temp. drop after drive replacement was significant - barely perceptible rise above ambient - so I anticipate an extended lifespan of the electronics, hopefully through a few hard drive replacements.

Donald1800
Edited by Donald1800 - 1/22/13 at 7:01pm
post #15734 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post


Bizarre! It sounds almost as if your CBS station is sending a TVGoS packet stream with no guide data (time packets only). Except then GoLinux would be experiencing the same problem.

Maybe try to live with the issue until March 10, then do a factory defaults reset (since your timers will likely be wrong anyhow due to DST)?

 

Maybe not so bizzare.  Rovi shuts off the guide, but they can't expect everyone to disconnect the equipment immediately.  Diagnostics may have a clue.  I still have a listing and a time for gem*  -- maybe that  disappears  when the plug is pulled?   So I'm probably still on CBS time, but the PSIP average shouldn't be much different, just more variable.

 

I'm in no rush to go to a manual clock.  I could even wait until summer, when there aren't many timers in use.  I don't expect DST to be a problem, I know where to check to see if anybody jumped the gun and fixed it while I was still sleeping, lol. 

post #15735 of 18096
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

I still have a listing and a time for gem*  -- maybe that  disappears  when the plug is pulled?
Last time I looked at mine, it was still showing the Gem* listing weeks after my local station had removed the equipment and sent it back to Rovi.
post #15736 of 18096
Every time the time changes, the only thing I notice is that there are some wierd timers created, sometime at like 9am or 4:30 am. It has happened almost every time. Other than that, no problem. I'm in the Salt Lake area, but I'm watching through a remote translator transmitter, so I don't get all channels available.
post #15737 of 18096
Does anyone know of a method to edit/change the recorded program title within the 'My Programs' list? For example, I would love to change the title "Masterpiece Theater" to "Downton Abbey, Part 1 & 2". I have spent considerable time reading every page of the 'User Manual', but could not find any mention of this function.

Donald1800
post #15738 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

Does anyone know of a method to edit/change the recorded program title within the 'My Programs' list? For example, I would love to change the title "Masterpiece Theater" to "Downton Abbey, Part 1 & 2". I have spent considerable time reading every page of the 'User Manual', but could not find any mention of this function.

Donald1800
Click on the program name in your "My Recordings" list, then click on "Edit Name".
post #15739 of 18096
I never had an issue with the time changes. I'm in the NY market. Others in my market may have had issues but that would not make sense. I have had issues with the clock being off 3-5 minutes because of TVGOS and that was a problem a number of people have reported on this forum. I guess that will not be a problem anymore. Actually with TVGOS gone the PALDVR may have fewer issues and become more stable.smile.gif
post #15740 of 18096
I have a question for the more informed members...

Background: I'm in the Dayton, Ohio area; no TVGOS for a couple of months. Most of the local stations provide 12 hours of PSIP info (counting the current hour, so effectively I see 10 hours in the guide.

Sometimes when I first turn my DTVPal on (usually in the morning) the program guide is completely filled out for 10 hours, but often if I first turn it on in the evening the guide is mostly blank (no info available).
As reported by others, If I manually tune in each station, then the guide is filled out completely.

My question:

Why doesn't performing a soft reset cause the program guide to fill in completely?
When I perform a soft reset I see "The program guide information is now being downloaded to your DTVPal DVR". Doesn't this mean each channel is being tuned in? it seems like this should cause the guide to be filled in.
If the program guide is blank when I first turn on the DVR, it is STILL blank after a soft reset. Any explanation?

Thanks!

Ken
post #15741 of 18096
I can tell what I noted at my DVR with active TVGoS:
sometimes I see no info for certain channels, but these are could be easy divide for two categories:
a) No Info because the stations doesn't providing it
b) a bug of the F2.08 ;
to distinguish the two, select the channel, then press Guide button immediately - for second case you'll see full info in a guide right away.
post #15742 of 18096
I set the zip code to 00000 and did a soft reset.  That didn't unlock the clock. 

I deleted the channel that had carried TVGOS (the only shows I record from it were not on in the next couple of days anyway and therefore not in the guide info now that TVGOS is gone) and did another soft reset.  The clock unlocked.  Maybe I hadn't had to zero out the zip code anyway, but now that TVGOS has ended in Chicago it doesn't matter what zip code is in there, only which timezone.

After I added the channel back, the clock remained unlocked.  That was all yesterday; I haven't checked the clock this morning, but since it doesn't display seconds, determining whether it has drifted will be difficult.
post #15743 of 18096
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

(...) but since it doesn't display seconds, determining whether it has drifted will be difficult.
While watching a known good time source just hit the DVR button on the remote.
You can watch the displayed time change and compare it to the source.
(I use my watch that sets itself with WWV or one of my wall clocks that do the same.)
post #15744 of 18096
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Originally Posted by tzdvl View Post

I have a question for the more informed members...

Background: I'm in the Dayton, Ohio area; no TVGOS for a couple of months. Most of the local stations provide 12 hours of PSIP info (counting the current hour, so effectively I see 10 hours in the guide.

Sometimes when I first turn my DTVPal on (usually in the morning) the program guide is completely filled out for 10 hours, but often if I first turn it on in the evening the guide is mostly blank (no info available).
As reported by others, If I manually tune in each station, then the guide is filled out completely.

My question:

Why doesn't performing a soft reset cause the program guide to fill in completely?
When I perform a soft reset I see "The program guide information is now being downloaded to your DTVPal DVR". Doesn't this mean each channel is being tuned in? it seems like this should cause the guide to be filled in.
If the program guide is blank when I first turn on the DVR, it is STILL blank after a soft reset. Any explanation?

Thanks!

Ken

We're all still working on this. It's probably auto-loading the guide info an hour or two before you check it in the morning, but not when you do a soft reset. That's why you seei it in the morning but not in the evening. What I think is happening is that the Pal still thinks TVGoS will come back someday, so a soft reset doesn't automatically load PSIP info into the guide for stations that used to be on TVGoS.

One symptom of this is that if you go to set the date/time, the clock is grayed out with a message that the date/time is being acquired from TVGoS. If you see that, try what Dattier tried:
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

I set the zip code to 00000 and did a soft reset.  That didn't unlock the clock. 

I deleted the channel that had carried TVGOS (the only shows I record from it were not on in the next couple of days anyway and therefore not in the guide info now that TVGOS is gone) and did another soft reset.  The clock unlocked.  Maybe I hadn't had to zero out the zip code anyway, but now that TVGOS has ended in Chicago it doesn't matter what zip code is in there, only which timezone.

After I added the channel back, the clock remained unlocked.  That was all yesterday; I haven't checked the clock this morning, but since it doesn't display seconds, determining whether it has drifted will be difficult.

Note: We've had one report where the clock locked back up after adding the TVGoS channel back. We think this may happen if the station hasn't removed their TVGoS equipment yet (even though there's no guide data anymore). But this procedure may still get your Pal to auto-load guide info from the stations PSIPs instead of the nonexistent TVGoS, so it's worth a try.

As a last resort, a factory defaults reset should purge all memory of TVGoS from your Pal. Just don't enter your Zip code when prompted (leave it at 00000). The Zip was only used for TVGoS.
post #15745 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

Click on the program name in your "My Recordings" list, then click on "Edit Name".

I tried that several times without success. "Edit Name" does not appear anywhere on the 'My Recordings' list menu - only "Edit", which just edits the list arrangement.

Has anyone successfully edited the 'My Recordings' list titles?

Donald1800
post #15746 of 18096

^  I had an unknown name to change, so I checked.  You select the program like you're going to watch it.  That takes you to the screen where you usually choose start or resume, and just below those choices is "edit name."  It let me edit the name even when it was protected.

post #15747 of 18096
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

^  I had an unknown name to change, so I checked.  You select the program like you're going to watch it.  That takes you to the screen where you usually choose start or resume, and just below those choices is "edit name."  It let me edit the name even when it was protected.
The protection flag affecting deleting an event by FW, not for protecting a name of the event.
post #15748 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

As a last resort, a factory defaults reset should purge all memory of TVGoS from your Pal. Just don't enter your Zip code when prompted (leave it at 00000). The Zip was only used for TVGoS.

Thanks, JHBrandt,

I had already done a complete factory reset. I did it as soon as I was sure my local TVGOS was gone for good.

Thanks for the info about leaving the ZIP code as 00000 - I didn't realize the ZIP code was only used for TVGOS.

I'll do another factory reset, leaving my zip as 00000, just in case. I certainly want to avoid any settings that might "poke" the primitive brain of the DTVPal to try searching for TVGOS!

Ken
post #15749 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

I tried that several times without success. "Edit Name" does not appear anywhere on the 'My Recordings' list menu - only "Edit", which just edits the list arrangement.

Has anyone successfully edited the 'My Recordings' list titles?

Donald1800

You didn't follow the simple directions I gave. The "Edit Name" option is not on the "My Recordings" page. It's on the next page after you:
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Click on the program name in your "My Recordings" list, then click on "Edit Name".
post #15750 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post


The protection flag affecting deleting an event by FW, not for protecting a name of the event.

 

As I found out.  But with my other recorder, a Mag2160, you can't edit anything until you unprotect.

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