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post #15961 of 16895
2/10/13 at 9:34pm
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I tried that. It immediately changed back - would not keep the change.
I'm just going to see what its doing in the morning...

 

Same here, daylight savings time zone keeps changing back to "yes" and it probably won't get fixed until Monday morning.  Until then, I 'live' in Alaska so the guide shows the right time.

 

The good news is:  my clock released itself this morning, two weeks after I left it alone with TVGoS and zipcode on. 

 

The best news is:  my former TVGoS station is working to expand the PSIP guide to a full week.  It shrank to 3-4 days this weekend, but during the week I got a full week, with detailed descriptions.   They hope to convince other stations to do the same, so we will have a working solution for the Pal. 

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post #15962 of 16895
2/10/13 at 10:34pm
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The difference is that TVGOS was available to me when I bought the unit and the un-availability to me right now is not an OOPSY, just not available, but instead, a FRAK you, we are discontinuing it to you just to save money....

Any judge can and will see the difference between the two.

There's no question it was a deliberate business decision to save money at users' expense. Companies discontinue products all the time. Do you think Microsoft cares that people want to continue using Windows XP? Of course they don't; they want to make money by selling licenses to newer versions of Windows, and to help encourage people to give up on old versions, they discontinue support for them. Nobody sues Microsoft for terminating support for old versions of Windows, because Microsoft never promised to provide support forever in the first place. The same concept applies to Rovi. The product you bought said that TVGOS was a possible feature that might be available to you. Its presence was never guaranteed to exist in the past and was certainly never guaranteed to last into the future.
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Nothing is preventing Rovi from continuing to adhere to the contract we signed except they have decided our contract is now too expensive for them to continue to adhere to.

You didn't sign a contract with Rovi. The device manufacturer did, and that contract most certainly did not include a clause saying Rovi would promise to provide TVGOS until the end of time. No (sane) company would ever make such a commitment.
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People like you provide logic. Others are happy you suffer. That is the difference. Rovi treated their customers very badly. the ceo never made a statement. It was we are better then you and we can do what we want. Many of us tried to rally support and go to the rovi facebook page to post our unhappiness. Yet some one here attacked me and others who did just that. What rovi did was morally and ethically wrong. The sony boxes are now $1000 door stops.

Yes, because corporations never take morally questionable but legal actions. rolleyes.gif Just because Rovi is run by people who care more about the company's shareholders than "doing the right thing" in the eyes of a few disgruntled customers is not grounds for lawsuits against them. It is naive to think that a few post on a company's Facebook page are going to get results; if enough people cared about TVGOS to make a difference now, Rovi would never have made the decision to terminate the service in the first place. They're ending TVGOS because they have already determined that the number of people who care about it and might complain that it's gone isn't high enough to cause them any serious headaches, and the money they will save by no longer offering a service to a few obsolete devices greatly outweighs the money they will have to pay a few PR people to send a few conciliatory e-mails to unhappy people during the phaseout period.
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post #15963 of 16895
2/11/13 at 4:05am
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The best news is:  my former TVGoS station is working to expand the PSIP guide to a full week.  It shrank to 3-4 days this weekend, but during the week I got a full week, with detailed descriptions.   They hope to convince other stations to do the same, so we will have a working solution for the Pal. 

Does PSIP come from one station only, like TVGOS does (or did)? Or does PSIP come from all the stations, depending on how far ahead they decide to send their listings?

I've also been reading about a number of fixes we can take to make our Pals and CM7000's recognize that TVGOS is gone. Could somebody clarify something? If you run through the Installation screen, it re-loads all the stations again, and you have to go through the delete process for the ones you don't want, and you have to set up all your recordings again. Is that a "soft" reset? Conversely, I've heard about "factory default reset" - but will that delete all my previously recorded shows? That one sounds like the nuclear option. I'm pretty sure TVGOS is gone in Atlanta as of today (bars and bars of "No Information" showing), so I've got to figure out some work-arounds. It doesn't help that the clock changed to Daylight Savings a month early, either.
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post #15964 of 16895
2/11/13 at 5:30am
Each station broadcasts its own PSIP info.
Also, none of the Reset options erase your recordings - just your timers.
However doing a Format does erase everything on the hard drive.
BTW my clock and guide are back to normal this morning. smile.gif
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post #15965 of 16895
2/11/13 at 6:11am
thanks. Can you tell me how to do a format (so I don't accidentally do it?)
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post #15966 of 16895
2/11/13 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

The best news is:  my former TVGoS station is working to expand the PSIP guide to a full week.  It shrank to 3-4 days this weekend, but during the week I got a full week, with detailed descriptions.   They hope to convince other stations to do the same, so we will have a working solution for the Pal.
I have also been in conversation with local stations to extend PSIP listings. PBS responded almost immediately. Time will tell about the others.
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post #15967 of 16895
2/11/13 at 7:06am
Any Chicago users with a solution to the lack of TVGOS schedule?

My Mom's in her 90s and, after some effort on both our parts, was used to setting up all of her weekly recordings on Sunday afternoon. It's kind of annoying her and there are some shows slipping through her usual scheduling for a few reasons, one being that the schedule does not totally fill in in time.

I use other devices to manually record most shows and there is no way she can do that.

Before I purchase a device that I know she will be more comfortable with (probably a TIVO w/subscription), is there something you guys discovered that might help?
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post #15968 of 16895
2/11/13 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

My Mom's in her 90s and, after some effort on both our parts, was used to setting up all of her weekly recordings on Sunday afternoon.

If she could do it on Sunday afternoon, she should be able to make it a daily afternoon ritual. Annoying? Yes. But thankfully, the Pal still records just fine.
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post #15969 of 16895
2/11/13 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

Any Chicago users with a solution to the lack of TVGOS schedule?

The best solution is to have your stations supply the full week of PSIP data. Contact them. There must be enough people in the Chicago area using PSIP data to have some influence. Organize and demand action.

Smaller markets may have a lot less consumer influence.
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post #15970 of 16895
2/11/13 at 7:47am
Thanks for the response.

It does not always fill in--Channel 7 in particular--so she's missing shows.

She's in her 90s--90s.

Why would I let her be annoyed by something that a little cash can fix if she doesn't have to be?
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post #15971 of 16895
2/11/13 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

Thanks for the response.

It does not always fill in--Channel 7 in particular--so she's missing shows.

She's in her 90s--90s.

Why would I let her be annoyed by something that a little cash can fix if she doesn't have to be?

I have no idea what you mean by "something that a little cash can fix". There is no cash option (big or little) to getting the TVGOS back.

I have had very good luck with my local broadcasters, and others have recently reported getting their local broadcasters to add more complete PSIP data. This is perhaps the only solution to the full schedule functionality of the DVR. If everyone would contact their local stations and inform them of the need for this, maybe a year from now we will all be happily using these DVRs as intended.
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post #15972 of 16895
2/11/13 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

I have no idea what you mean by "something that a little cash can fix". There is no cash option (big or little) to getting the TVGOS back.

I have had very good luck with my local broadcasters, and others have recently reported getting their local broadcasters to add more complete PSIP data. This is perhaps the only solution to the full schedule functionality of the DVR. If everyone would contact their local stations and inform them of the need for this, maybe a year from now we will all be happily using these DVRs as intended.


The "little cash" reference alluded to my mention in the first post of getting her a TIVO w/ subscription.

I will contact my local stations regarding the PSIP data. But the initial post was just an inquiry to users that might be in the Chicago area that may have some sort of a solution.

Thanks again to all for the responses!
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post #15973 of 16895
2/11/13 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by ko220 View Post

thanks. Can you tell me how to do a format (so I don't accidentally do it?)
Menu, Setup, System Setup, Diagnostics, HDD, Format.
Remember - Format erases everything on the hard drive, so you lose any recorded shows!
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post #15974 of 16895
2/11/13 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by Jack Morris View Post

Is Rovi still in business?

Yes, and they still provide TVGoS; but it's only available via Internet now.
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If I buy a car with anti-lock brakes, and the manufacturer has some troubled financial times in the future and discontinues the car software which continues to provide those anti-lock brakes, then that is legally pursueable as a breach of contract.... just as this is regarding TVGOS. Nothing is preventing Rovi from continuing to adhere to the contract we signed except they have decided our contract is now too expensive for them to continue to adhere to.

That's a really terrible analogy. Has anyone ever heard of anti-lock brakes that stop working if they don't receive a continuous data stream from the car manufacturer? Ridiculous!

A better analogy would be something like OnStar, or a Sirius/XM satellite radio subscription. You may buy a car with a 1-year prepaid subscription, which you can continue at your own expense. If the service were turned off during the prepaid subscription, the dealer may owe you a (probably tiny) refund; but they're certainly not going to take the car back; nor would anyone argue that OnStar or Sirius/XM is obligated to provide service in perpetuity as long as someone, somewhere, continues to subscribe.

The situation with your Pal is even less favorable, since you aren't even subscribing to anything! Once the warranty is up, no one owes you anything if one of its features stops working.

Read the 13th Amendment to our Constitution: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." It's a free country. No one can force anyone else to do a job they don't want to do. (The courts have recognized an exception for military service, of course; but I'm pretty sure Rovi Corp. isn't an enlistee.)
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post #15975 of 16895
2/11/13 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by ko220 View Post

If you run through the Installation screen, it re-loads all the stations again, and you have to go through the delete process for the ones you don't want, and you have to set up all your recordings again. Is that a "soft" reset? Conversely, I've heard about "factory default reset" - but will that delete all my previously recorded shows? That one sounds like the nuclear option. I'm pretty sure TVGOS is gone in Atlanta as of today (bars and bars of "No Information" showing), so I've got to figure out some work-arounds. It doesn't help that the clock changed to Daylight Savings a month early, either.

A soft reset consists of holding the power button (either on the Pal or the remote) for several seconds until the Pal reboots. It will not itself erase the memory of TVGoS from your Pal. However, some have reported that deleting the former TVGoS host channel, then doing a soft reset, does the trick. (You have to add back your host channel afterward, of course.)

Running the install wizard again will probably work, since it erases and re-scans all channels. It's just short of a factory defaults reset; the only difference is that the install wizard won't reset miscellaneous preferences you may have set at various points. Both the install wizard and the factory defaults reset will erase all your timers, but neither will erase your recordings.
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Each station broadcasts its own PSIP info.
Also, none of the Reset options erase your recordings - just your timers.
However doing a Format does erase everything on the hard drive.
BTW my clock and guide are back to normal this morning. smile.gif

To format your drive, choose the Diagnostics menu / HDD / Format button. Surprisingly, this operation is not locked out by locking the DVR with a password, so avoid this unless you really want to wipe out your recordings.
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post #15976 of 16895
2/11/13 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

My Mom's in her 90s and, after some effort on both our parts, was used to setting up all of her weekly recordings on Sunday afternoon. It's kind of annoying her and there are some shows slipping through her usual scheduling for a few reasons, one being that the schedule does not totally fill in in time.

I use other devices to manually record most shows and there is no way she can do that.

Before I purchase a device that I know she will be more comfortable with (probably a TIVO w/subscription), is there something you guys discovered that might help?

Just remember: She can still use the guide to schedule recordings, even if the program you want to record isn't listed there by name. The Pal only stores the channel, date, and time you want to record; not the program name (as with a TiVo). So even if the guide shows a 1-hour "program" titled "no info," she can still select it and the Pal will record it at the correct time. In most cases the recording will even have the correct name (since the guide will have filled in by that time).

Of course, she may have to consult another guide, such as a TV guide magazine, to know what channels, dates, and times to record out of a sea of "no info's." That may be a problem, particularly if her vision is impaired.

That said, moving to a TiVo is a perfectly reasonable alternative. If you go that route and have no further use for the Pal, the good news is that working Pals still fetch a decent price on eBay.
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post #15977 of 16895
2/11/13 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

Any Chicago users with a solution to the lack of TVGOS schedule?
Not I.  I just do it day by day.
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post #15978 of 16895
2/11/13 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

A better analogy would be something like OnStar, or a Sirius/XM satellite radio subscription.

OnStar-equipped vehicles with analog-only equipment were designed to operate only on the analog cellular network and there is no digital upgrade available. Vehicles with this equipment will no longer be able to receive OnStar services beginning January 1, 2008. At this time, service is available only through dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.

https://www.onstar.com/web/portal/data?onsviewID=194812
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post #15979 of 16895
2/11/13 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

I have also been in conversation with local stations to extend PSIP listings. PBS responded almost immediately. Time will tell about the others.
Two things to discuss here: 1..As been mentioned here and on other threads..the early analog to digital STBs would not/ could not handle more than 12 hours of PSIP. 2....Some stations like WESH 2 (RF 11) down here have very cheap encoders that won't (in their words) send out more than 12 hours of PSIP. I wish you well in your efforts. I'm doing my part emailing the FCC at least twice a month , never a reply of course.
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post #15980 of 16895
2/11/13 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

Any Chicago users with a solution to the lack of TVGOS schedule?

My Mom's in her 90s and, after some effort on both our parts, was used to setting up all of her weekly recordings on Sunday afternoon. It's kind of annoying her and there are some shows slipping through her usual scheduling for a few reasons, one being that the schedule does not totally fill in in time.

I use other devices to manually record most shows and there is no way she can do that.

Before I purchase a device that I know she will be more comfortable with (probably a TIVO w/subscription), is there something you guys discovered that might help?

Personally I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

1. I'm sure your mom has some shows she likes every week. So to set up a recurring timer. Even though you don't have TVGOS this is not a problem.
2. Secondly if there are specials and other programs she likes that are not recurring just set up a manual timer. It is as simple and probably easier than when we had VCRS.

I haven't missed a beat with the many hours of recordings I do every week even though TVGOS is gone. I'm not quite as old as your mom but I would think you might be about my age and if I can do it you should be able to.
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post #15981 of 16895
2/11/13 at 2:55pm
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I have also been in conversation with local stations to extend PSIP listings. PBS responded almost immediately. Time will tell about the others.
Two things to discuss here: 1..As been mentioned here and on other threads..the early analog to digital STBs would not/ could not handle more than 12 hours of PSIP. 2....Some stations like WESH 2 (RF 11) down here have very cheap encoders that won't (in their words) send out more than 12 hours of PSIP. I wish you well in your efforts. I'm doing my part emailing the FCC at least twice a month , never a reply of course.

Part 2 is likely true. Some stations are limited by their equipment. We've even heard one station is limited to 8 hours, which doesn't even comply with FCC rules. Come to think of it, I think it was WESH eek.gif

Part 1, though? There's a grain of truth, but it seems to be greatly exaggerated.

I've tried to research this but have only found one converter box that chokes on large amounts of EPG info. (And it's Dish's DTVPal TR-40! Oh, the irony....) But even it doesn't choke just because one station decides to send out 13 hours. It only chokes if many stations in a market send out several days of info.

But this rumor has been around long enough that stations may be wary of greatly increasing the amount of guide info they transmit, particularly in large markets. If you encounter resistance based on this rumor, suggest to the station that they increase the EPG gradually; i.e., go from 12 hours to 24, then to 48, then 72, etc. That way if anyone complains they can dial it back. And for daily shows, even 24 hours would be a huge improvement over 12. 72 hours would let you schedule recordings through the weekend on Friday. 96 hours would let you schedule recordings only twice a week. We can make progress even without the full 168 hours TVGoS gave us.
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post #15982 of 16895
2/11/13 at 6:46pm
I've got an interesting development tonight (just part of the "fun" of the past few months, but I'll post about that at another time--truth be told, I'm still watching to see how it all concludes). On my diagnostics screen, all but three of my 18 station listings PSIP time information have Next: 07:00:00 10/03/2013 (+3600) as the final line. A day or two ago--I wasn't paying close attention to when I noticed it--I had only one station displaying such information. It certainly seems to be connected to the time change, but other than the date and the shift being 1 hour, I'm not fully sure of what it means. (What is "Next?" Why is it at 7 o'clock? And if the date is there, why would my clock already be an hour ahead?)
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post #15983 of 16895
2/11/13 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by mpmp0 View Post

Thanks for the response.

It does not always fill in--Channel 7 in particular--so she's missing shows.

She's in her 90s--90s.

Why would I let her be annoyed by something that a little cash can fix if she doesn't have to be?
I would not call it a little cash but for around $700 you can set her up with a 4 tuner TiVo with lifetime subscription which you can then take over in 10 years or so. You can also build her a media PC for about the same amount.
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post #15984 of 16895
2/11/13 at 7:39pm
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I've got an interesting development tonight (just part of the "fun" of the past few months, but I'll post about that at another time--truth be told, I'm still watching to see how it all concludes). On my diagnostics screen, all but three of my 18 station listings PSIP time information have Next: 07:00:00 10/03/2013 (+3600) as the final line. A day or two ago--I wasn't paying close attention to when I noticed it--I had only one station displaying such information. It certainly seems to be connected to the time change, but other than the date and the shift being 1 hour, I'm not fully sure of what it means. (What is "Next?" Why is it at 7 o'clock? And if the date is there, why would my clock already be an hour ahead?)

That is the next time change on 03/10/2013. Subtract your 5 hour offset from 7:00 GMT and that is 2:00 am. I've attached a screenshot of the Sony showing the same info. It is an hour later than yours since I am in the Central Timezone (GMT - 6).

As far as why it changed a month early... just another of the many bugs in the DTVPal. Is your clock still off today? Usually the clock corrects itself within a few hours.

Next_DST_Change.JPG 58k .JPG file
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post #15985 of 16895
2/11/13 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by mabuttra View Post

That is the next time change on 03/10/2013. Subtract your 5 hour offset from 7:00 GMT and that is 2:00 am. I've attached a screenshot of the Sony showing the same info. It is an hour later than yours since I am in the Central Timezone (GMT - 6).

As far as why it changed a month early... just another of the many bugs in the DTVPal. Is your clock still off today? Usually the clock corrects itself within a few hours.

Dur; if I had thought about it for a second I'd have realized that was 2:00 am. Thanks for that. tongue.gif

As far as the clock change goes, that's part of the fun I mentioned I've been having. My clock is an hour ahead at night but correct during the day. I don't check it every day, but I've seen this flip-flopping in the past enough to believe it happens every day.
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post #15986 of 16895
2/11/13 at 11:34pm
"I would not call it a little cash but for around $700 you can set her up with a 4 tuner TiVo with lifetime subscription which you can then take over in 10 years or so. You can also build her a media PC for about the same amount.:"


Thanks! Actually, I'm looking at the $500 lifetime solution for her, which I will probably just put in my name. Will be contacting TIVO to discuss this.

Thanks to all who have responded to the "my Mom" situation. I have a pretty good idea what I'm gonna do now--after I see how she handles issues for a month or so.

I did contact the station that has the largest gap in their daily PSIP listing. Someone "will get back to me" shortly. The other stations are fairly decent with their day to day scheduling it seems.

But that still leaves her with having to program daily as opposed to the one time Sunday programming she's used to.

Not going to go too long here with the situation, but Sundays I'm definitely available to help when there are issues--not necessarily daily.

She's in her 90s.

Some of us can handle things like this better as we get older, some can't. I'd like to think I'll have the mental capacity that I do now when I get there, but as I look around at older folks, that's not always what I see. (Heck, years ago, I can remember seeing continually flashing VCR clocks because people didn't know how to program them, even amongst my friends.)

I personally have numerous devices that I manually program to record OTA and computer programming. But that's me, not her. Her few remaining peers are fascinated when they see her do her technology thing so well.

Seeing her disappointment after missing part of "Dancing With the Stars" once (ugh!) made me realize that "doing it herself" and "getting it right" was important to her. (still don't know if it was she misprogrammed or the show ran long that night or something...)

If I can keep her happy with a device that will help guarantee her OTA TV programming autonomy (after I do the initial setup and create her cheat sheets), that's probably the way I'm going to go.

Thanks again, guys! You've been very helpful!
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post #15987 of 16895
2/12/13 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Menu, Setup, System Setup, Diagnostics, HDD, Format.
Remember - Format erases everything on the hard drive, so you lose any recorded shows!

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

A soft reset consists of holding the power button (either on the Pal or the remote) for several seconds until the Pal reboots. It will not itself erase the memory of TVGoS from your Pal. However, some have reported that deleting the former TVGoS host channel, then doing a soft reset, does the trick. (You have to add back your host channel afterward, of course.)

Running the install wizard again will probably work, since it erases and re-scans all channels. It's just short of a factory defaults reset; the only difference is that the install wizard won't reset miscellaneous preferences you may have set at various points. Both the install wizard and the factory defaults reset will erase all your timers, but neither will erase your recordings.
To format your drive, choose the Diagnostics menu / HDD / Format button. Surprisingly, this operation is not locked out by locking the DVR with a password, so avoid this unless you really want to wipe out your recordings.

Thanks a lot. I will make sure not to do a format - in fact, I'm printing out your directions, along with other posts I've already printed, to keep next to my Pal. You all have really helped this transition from TVGOS. Yesterday the TVGOS logo had disappeared completely, and I had about 12 hours of information. One station in Atlanta - WATL, doesn't have any information whatsoever. I'm going to email them and see if they will at least provide something.
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2/12/13 at 5:38am
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"I would not call it a little cash but for around $700 you can set her up with a 4 tuner TiVo with lifetime subscription which you can then take over in 10 years or so. You can also build her a media PC for about the same amount.:"


Thanks! Actually, I'm looking at the $500 lifetime solution for her, which I will probably just put in my name. Will be contacting TIVO to discuss this.

Thanks to all who have responded to the "my Mom" situation. I have a pretty good idea what I'm gonna do now--after I see how she handles issues for a month or so.

I did contact the station that has the largest gap in their daily PSIP listing. Someone "will get back to me" shortly. The other stations are fairly decent with their day to day scheduling it seems.

But that still leaves her with having to program daily as opposed to the one time Sunday programming she's used to.

Not going to go too long here with the situation, but Sundays I'm definitely available to help when there are issues--not necessarily daily.

She's in her 90s.

Some of us can handle things like this better as we get older, some can't. I'd like to think I'll have the mental capacity that I do now when I get there, but as I look around at older folks, that's not always what I see. (Heck, years ago, I can remember seeing continually flashing VCR clocks because people didn't know how to program them, even amongst my friends.)

I personally have numerous devices that I manually program to record OTA and computer programming. But that's me, not her. Her few remaining peers are fascinated when they see her do her technology thing so well.

Seeing her disappointment after missing part of "Dancing With the Stars" once (ugh!) made me realize that "doing it herself" and "getting it right" was important to her. (still don't know if it was she misprogrammed or the show ran long that night or something...)

If I can keep her happy with a device that will help guarantee her OTA TV programming autonomy (after I do the initial setup and create her cheat sheets), that's probably the way I'm going to go.

Thanks again, guys! You've been very helpful!
I hope you were able to give her the missed episode part online or something. smile.gif
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post #15989 of 16895
2/12/13 at 5:52am
MPMPO,

I bet if your mom is like mine and you tell her your plans to spend that money she will be all over you.

There is no excuse for her missing dancing with the stars. A recurring timer would record it regardless if TVGOS is gone or not. I'm sure you know exactly the shows she likes to watch and can easily set them up to record. The only bad thing that will happen is as the stations put fill in shows now and then you will record some stuff she doesn't want and they can be deleted as you review the recordings.

Anyway it sounds as if your mind is made up. No problem. I will be happy to take that PALDVR off your hands along with just about everyone else on this forum.

When you are ready to chuck it let us know!
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post #15990 of 16895
2/12/13 at 6:35am
The "Mom" guy here again...

Yes, we were able to catch up to the show, I think at ABC.com or something.

(Again, I don't want this thread to turn into a Dr. Phil episode about my Mom and me but...if she had just kept the computer that was unobtrusively kept in the vicinity of her TV, much of this would have been avoided. There's more story here, about a computer being given away to some nieces and nephews who "needed it for school" (but which wound up playing video games it seems!!!) but I want to keep it short...[GRRRRRRR])

And, hey, guys, hands of the dvr!! (ha-ha)

I evaluated the DTVPAL before giving it to her and thought it was a neat little device. But I manually program an unregistered TIVO Premiere (746320), a TIVX, and a few computer sources. I'll probably see if I can register the TIVO and get service on it to give to her. Then take the DTVPAL myself and program it manually.

Thanks again!
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