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post #16411 of 18096
You're welcome. I understand some users did lose TVGoS last Nov. (chiefly those whose TVGoS was hosted by PBS). Most of us had TVGoS hosted by CBS, and lost it sometime this year. In many cases the guide got turned off but the clock kept working until the CBS station physically removed the TVGoS equipment. Exactly what happened to us and when varied from city to city.

Mabuttra discovered the double-reboot fix for the drifting clock. Much easier than going through a factory defaults reset.
post #16412 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

don't forget - ANY IR dish remote (practically) works with the TR-50 DVR

and universal remotes, better if they have ViP622 support, but dish DVR generic good to go too

That's true. The 20.1 learning remote is a great bargain at $6, but any other infrared Dish remote will work too.

Non-Dish universal remotes also work as long as your Pal is set to address 01. Most can't support other addresses though (unless they're learning remotes).
post #16413 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

BTW, there's a totally different trick I've heard folks use to resolve conflicts like this, but you need some polarized transparent plastic. Just cut a piece for each remote sensor, but orient the polarization 90 degrees apart (say, make one horizontal and one vertical). Also put a piece over the window of your remote. Now you can control either device simply by rotating the remote!

That's interesting. I sometimes feel I already have polarization because I notice a better response from the remote sometimes if I turn it to a vertical position instead of holding it horizontally.
post #16414 of 18096
Reminds me of the remote control fix I did to mine. There was a problem with certain scenes and the light emitted from the LCD TV which would de-sense the IR receiver in the 'Pal. I cut a little 1/4" sq. piece of clear gray window tint material I think about 50% density, superglued it to the back of the light guide just in front of the IR sensor inside the 'Pal, and bingo! remote problem fixed, works in all lighting conditions and did not reduce the remote range any perceptible amount I could tell.
post #16415 of 18096
Clever cool.gif Like putting in an attenuator to reduce receiver overload; except with IR vs. RF wink.gif

OT: also shows how useless window tint can be for one of its main claimed advantages: keeping a car cool. It lets IR right through.
Edited by JHBrandt - 3/25/13 at 8:27am
post #16416 of 18096
A note regarding the Dish remotes and those with both Dish satellite equipment and the DTVPAL DVR; Resetting a satellite receiver using the 10-second power button method with the remote will also reset the DTVPAL DVR if it is nearby. The address of each does not matter. If you need to reset a satellite receiver and don't want to interrupt the PAL, you will need to block the IR receiver on the PAL, or use the power button on the receiver.

Resetting the DTVPAL DVR by itself with the remote does not affect a Dish satellite receiver unless it is using the same remote address.
post #16417 of 18096
Speaking of remotes, on the original PalDVR remote, is there any way to have the remote
tell you what code has been entered for the TV function button?
Years ago I had a remote that would blink the code if you hit some key combination...
post #16418 of 18096
Try this procedure. This is from the 21.0 remote manual, but much of what's in there works with the Pal DVR remotes too:
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1. Press and hold the mode button for the equipment you want the remote control to operate. When all the mode buttons light up, release the button—the selected mode button should now be flashing.

For example, hold the TV mode button for a TV until all of the other mode buttons light. When you let go, the TV mode light will flash.

2. Press the POUND (#) button twice. The mode button flashes the number for each digit of the equipment code, with a pause between the groups of flashes. A quick flash is for zero.

For example, if the code is 570, the mode button flashes five times, pauses, flashes seven times, pauses, and flashes once quickly.
post #16419 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Try this procedure. This is from the 21.0 remote manual, but much of what's in there works with the Pal DVR remotes too:
It works. Thanks. smile.gif
post #16420 of 18096
Another undocumented 'gotcha' when using the newer PalDVR 20.1 IR (Green 1 tab) remote while adding learned original equipment remote functions to an original equipment loaded code is that the code is changed/defaults to '000' when read-out.

I spent MANY unnecessary programming and troubleshooting hours trying to find out why the loaded code was seemingly 'replaced' rather than combined with the learned functions (using the 'Recall' button) because I was reading out the code rather than testing on the original equipment to determine if the functions were operating. It wasn't until I suspected that, since I was modifying the original code functions, the code read-out would not be correct - hence a default of '000' instead of the original code number. Testing all equipment functions on the original equipment demonstrated that all programming was correctly entered.

Donald1800
post #16421 of 18096
For those still wanting an extra Dish 20.1 learning remote for their DTVPal DVR, the $6 sale price on eBay with FREE shipping (item number 280784044482) ends tomorrow. FYI they don't ship to New York State.
post #16422 of 18096
I'm wondering if any of you have a Pal or CM DVR that you don't use anymore due to issues that wouldn't be caused by a faulty CPU. My first Pal's CPU died, and is in need of a transplant. biggrin.gif
I have a lot of recordings on the hard drive that I never watched, and some that I intended to transfer to DVD, and if I can get this one part, I could finally do that.
I have found ones for sale on ebay "as is", but they all sounded like they wouldn't be worth taking a chance on paying for, only to discover their CPUs were dead also.
Another option would be buying the part on its own, but the only broker I know of that has any of this specialized CPU is greedy and wants almost as much as a used DVR costs!
If you can help in either of these ways, especially if you know of a broker who is fair and willing to sell in less than big lots, please let me know here or PM. Thanks!
post #16423 of 18096
User Russell_ listed a used, working Pal DVR in this forum's classifieds last Saturday. I haven't checked whether it's been sold already but you might check there. If a working unit is available you could just transplant the HDD, which is much easier and faster.
post #16424 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

For those still wanting an extra Dish 20.1 learning remote for their DTVPal DVR, the $6 sale price on eBay with FREE shipping (item number 280784044482) ends tomorrow. FYI they don't ship to New York State.

I got mine yesterday and put it into service in the living room (keeping the old remote as a backup, of course). I wrote a review and gave it 4 stars. It missed a 5-star rating mainly because of a frustrating quirk in the learning function.
post #16425 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LuvMyDVR33 View Post

I'm wondering if any of you have a Pal or CM DVR that you don't use anymore due to issues that wouldn't be caused by a faulty CPU. My first Pal's CPU died, and is in need of a transplant. biggrin.gif
I have a lot of recordings on the hard drive that I never watched, and some that I intended to transfer to DVD, and if I can get this one part, I could finally do that.
I have found ones for sale on ebay "as is", but they all sounded like they wouldn't be worth taking a chance on paying for, only to discover their CPUs were dead also.
Another option would be buying the part on its own, but the only broker I know of that has any of this specialized CPU is greedy and wants almost as much as a used DVR costs!
If you can help in either of these ways, especially if you know of a broker who is fair and willing to sell in less than big lots, please let me know here or PM. Thanks!

Another option would be to buy a working unit and transfer the hard drive from your dead unit to get access to your recordings. You could then also use your current dead unit for parts for the newly-acquired working unit if you need to do repairs in the future (i.e. hard drive, remote control, power supply, etc.)

There's a used working DTVPal DVR on eBay right now (item number 190816189895) with a current bid price of $20.50 plus $10 shipping. There's 5 days left on the auction, however, so it's anybody's guess what the final auction price will be at this point.
post #16426 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

User Russell_ listed a used, working Pal DVR in this forum's classifieds last Saturday. I haven't checked whether it's been sold already but you might check there. If a working unit is available you could just transplant the HDD, which is much easier and faster.

Thanks, but those are perfectly fine, so cost too much. I already have other working DVRs, I could have just swapped the drive with one of those, but that doesn't solve my problem of having one that only needs a CPU in order to work again. I am really hoping to find just the part, not a whole DVR, since shipping that would be a lot less money also.
I hoped there might be someone here who has taken apart DVRs and kept the parts for future use, besides P Smith (in case your next suggestion was to ask him-LOL!).
post #16427 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

Another option would be to buy a working unit and transfer the hard drive from your dead unit to get access to your recordings. You could then also use your current dead unit for parts for the newly-acquired working unit if you need to do repairs in the future (i.e. hard drive, remote control, power supply, etc.)

There's a used working DTVPal DVR on eBay right now (item number 190816189895) with a current bid price of $20.50 plus $10 shipping. There's 5 days left on the auction, however, so it's anybody's guess what the final auction price will be at this point.
If that was a Buy it Now, someone would have taken that one off the market already! My guess is it goes way over $100, since it is still working. I put it on my watch list to keep an eye on it. Thanks. But see what I posted the same time you were posting this. I had the dead Pal sitting around gathering dust too long, not interested in getting it back unrepaired now that I know why it died.
post #16428 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LuvMyDVR33 View Post

Thanks, but those are perfectly fine, so cost too much. I already have other working DVRs, I could have just swapped the drive with one of those, but that doesn't solve my problem of having one that only needs a CPU in order to work again. I am really hoping to find just the part, not a whole DVR, since shipping that would be a lot less money also.
I hoped there might be someone here who has taken apart DVRs and kept the parts for future use, besides P Smith (in case your next suggestion was to ask him-LOL!).
How do you know the problem is the CPU?
post #16429 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LuvMyDVR33 View Post

I already have other working DVRs, I could have just swapped the drive with one of those, but that doesn't solve my problem of having one that only needs a CPU in order to work again. I am really hoping to find just the part, not a whole DVR, since shipping that would be a lot less money also.
I hoped there might be someone here who has taken apart DVRs and kept the parts for future use, besides P Smith (in case your next suggestion was to ask him-LOL!).

Actually I kinda figured he's the one who told you it needed a new CPU wink.gif If you can find a replacement, he could probably install it for you.

How about LenL? He had a DTVPal fail recently, and from the description, it sounds like corrupted firmware. P Smith is the expert of course, but there's a good chance LenL's bad Pal has a good CPU.

Edit: Bleyer2 and Michael1138 may have one also
Edited by JHBrandt - 3/26/13 at 10:35am
post #16430 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Actually I kinda figured he's the one who told you it needed a new CPU wink.gif If you can find a replacement, he could probably install it for you.

How about LenL? He had a DTVPal fail recently, and from the description, it sounds like corrupted firmware. P Smith is the expert of course, but there's a good chance LenL's bad Pal has a good CPU.

That's the plan on the CPU. We've been trying to find a replacement for many months, this is my latest attempt.
If LenL's is corrupted firmware, it could still be fixed so he could still use it himself. I was REALLY hoping that would have been the issue with my Pal, but things are never that easy for me. :-(
post #16431 of 18096
I have some of those Dish DTVPal converter boxes lying around somewhere. I wonder if those converter box remotes will also work with the DTVPal DVR, excluding the recording functions.
post #16432 of 18096
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I have some of those Dish DTVPal converter boxes lying around somewhere. I wonder if those converter box remotes will also work with the DTVPal DVR, excluding the recording functions.
Oooh, I still have my buggy DTVPal converter box in my DVR box. Hahah. I forgot what that remote control look like. That's good I can use that with the DVR then! Woohoo!
post #16433 of 18096
I think the converter box remote will work as long as your Pal's remote address is 01. But it's been so long since I've used it I forgot: it's not a universal remote, is it?

Hmm.... I wonder if the converter box uses the same CPU chip as the DVRs? Probably not, but the UI is eerily similar....
post #16434 of 18096
I recall I did post the info in dedicated thread ...
post #16435 of 18096
Converter box remote definitely not universal, and of course no recording navigation keys. Does have the menu & guide keys, though, so it could be used with a Pal DVR or Dish satellite receiver in a pinch.

Found some photos, with info on the power connector and embedded smart card; nothing about the CPU, though
post #16436 of 18096
They are just circuit boards on the inside. Sometimes you can take them apart and clean the contact area on the circuit board and it will work fine again.
post #16437 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Your research is correct. Both of your issues were caused by TVGoS ending service. There's been much wailing and gnashing of teeth on this thread for the past several months, but TVGoS is now Internet-only, and the Pal DVRs don't support the Internet version of TVGoS.

For the clock problem, there's a simple solution. Just reboot your Pal (by holding the power button down until both the red & green LEDs come on), wait for it to come back up, then reboot it again. This will lock your Pal's clock to the average of the times sent out by the TV stations in your area. It may be a few seconds off but at least it'll stop drifting.

For the guide, your Pal is now stuck with whatever each individual station transmits. The FCC requires a minimum of 12 hours and that's all many stations bother with. Some stations may broadcast more (in DFW, the NBC affiliate broadcasts almost a full week of listings), so you may try contacting your local stations and see if they'll increase their listings. Some folks have had success, but others (including me) haven't had any luck. It won't hurt to try, though.

For an online guide, I prefer zap2it.com. Other recommend TitanTV.com. Try both and see which one you like best.

You can also get "TV Guide" app for your phone. You can also go to this link http://www.tvguide.com/Listings/ Just put in Zip Code and antenna.

I have had some success at getting the local stations to add to PSIP here in Orlando. You have to contact everyone of the stations that you watch. Some of the ones only showed "No Information Available" for every hour. Now a whole week.
post #16438 of 18096
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Originally Posted by yellowtiburon View Post

I have had some success at getting the local stations to add to PSIP here in Orlando. You have to contact everyone of the stations that you watch. Some of the ones only showed "No Information Available" for every hour. Now a whole week.

I'd like to thank you for that and again encourage everyone else to keep at this. Many of us have had positive results by contacting our local stations, and we need to continue this effort. Also, don't forget the follow-up "thank you" notices to them.
post #16439 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Converter box remote definitely not universal, and of course no recording navigation keys. Does have the menu & guide keys, though, so it could be used with a Pal DVR or Dish satellite receiver in a pinch.

Found some photos, with info on the power connector and embedded smart card; nothing about the CPU, though
It's STi7707, see kev4321 pictures
Edited by P Smith - 3/26/13 at 5:24pm
post #16440 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

User Russell_ listed a used, working Pal DVR in this forum's classifieds last Saturday. I haven't checked whether it's been sold already but you might check there. If a working unit is available you could just transplant the HDD, which is much easier and faster.

It's still available and I just "bumped" the post. To be honest I got 0 inquiries. Feel free to let me know (by pm if you think posting a response here will violate any guidelines) if my pricing is bad - don't mince words.
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