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post #16771 of 18096
I'll give more details because of making a conclusion we should go with a caution:
- I would (without FR from the company) suggest it was a batch of bad chemicals during manufacturing of that particular two capacitors. Remember, two of same type sit next to bulged one and working fine in same condition include temperature/air flow.

As you bring attention to the capacitors, I would provide full info:
a) 2200 mF 10V, using in +5VDC rail (so not necessary to use 16V caps);by Nichicon, 105°C, H0412 (mfg date ?), marked "HD(M)" - same as other two working OK.
b) 820 mF 6.3V, by TEAPO, SY105°C, 09/08 - mfg date, marked "C1"
Edited by P Smith - 4/28/13 at 11:50am
post #16772 of 18096
I'm presenting a list of HW problems in the DVR up today, ranged by frequency:
1) corrupted flash memory (U15)
2) bad CPU (U14)
3) bad demod chip (U5/U49)
4) bulged capacitors
5) bad sector in system [critical] part of DVR's file system.

Notes:
- 1: 100% success of fixing it by reprogramming removed BGA chip U15
- 2: can't fix now, because cannot find the model (STi7109WECP C2L) on a market DSCI0284.JPG 2401k .JPG file
- 3: fixed (while I have donor board to rip good chip)
- 4: easy fix (DYI job? smile.gif )
- 5: if the drive is OK, bad sectors could be remapped by programs like MHDD, else you could do it simple way: replace to new good drive.
Edited by P Smith - 4/28/13 at 12:10pm
post #16773 of 18096
PSMITH,

Is there something special about that CPU? Could a different make etc be used in its place? I realize this isn't a computer but most PC motherboards accept more than one cpu. Sure they have to meet certain specs but there is usually more than one that will work.

Just asking if you look at that?
post #16774 of 18096
First, it must be "C2L" as it has third type of pinout, what not in a specs of the line [STi7109];
second, I have no info what the designators "WECP" mean, is it important or we can not stick with it? Judging by old series [STi5500] these letters has been significant, because FW queried internal ID register and did forks in execution when the letter was different.
post #16775 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I'll give more details because of making a conclusion we should go with a caution:
- I would (without FR from the company) suggest it was a batch of bad chemicals during manufacturing of that particular two capacitors. Remember, two of same type sit next to bulged one and working fine in same condition include temperature/air flow.

As you bring attention to the capacitors, I would provide full info:
a) 2200 mF 10V, using in +5VDC rail (so not necessary to use 16V caps);by Nichicon, 105°C, H0412 (mfg date ?), marked "HD(M)" - same as other two working OK.
"
Maybe, but certainly won't hurt. The fix for the failing Samsung VCR power supply caps I referred to, that were rated 10V on a 5V rail, was to replace with higher quality Nichicon 16V low ESR (PWM series from Mouser electronics) because the 16V physically are little bigger, have more material to dissipate the internal heat within the capacitor. Never had one come back a second time so apparently the one step up to a higher voltage rating worked.
post #16776 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

As you bring attention to the capacitors, I would provide full info:
a) 2200 mF 10V, using in +5VDC rail (so not necessary to use 16V caps);by Nichicon, 105°C, H0412 (mfg date ?),
That would be manufactured the 12th week of 2004. First two numbers "04" are the year made. Is that date code from a capacitor from the DTVPal?
post #16777 of 18096
I know what mfg code mean [YYWW], but I did my guess for the letters, as a date of mfg of the DVR is earliest 2008 (most likely 2009 as marked on other capacitor), so it was unusually "old" capacitor from 2004.
I would decipher H0412 as H=8 (A=1, B=2,...), week is 4, then something is 12, ie mfg year is 2008
post #16778 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Mine says 22 elements - surprising because I get the same channels Ed does so I expected to see 21 like him.
Same here, but only 19 could be scrolled and visible.
post #16779 of 18096
Do a warm boot. See if the order of ID's reverses.

Note: If you get a full display you will see the following categories with a summary after each one:

PSIP (5) State:0x4404
DVB (6) State: 0X3303
USER (8) State: 0x3323
Gem* (12) State 0x3313
View (15) State 0x3313

The last entery is:

Ticks:
post #16780 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Do a warm boot. See if the order of ID's reverses.

Note: If you get a full display you will see the following categories with a summary after each one:

PSIP (5) State:0x4404
DVB (6) State: 0X3303
USER (8) State: 0x3323
Gem* (12) State 0x3313
View (15) State 0x3313

The last entery is:

Ticks:
Other than the PSIP line, anyone know what the other entries mean?
post #16781 of 18096
Well the LP station with no PSIP info shows up under User (8). I would imagine the catagories might have to do with stations that have TVGOS information, but it's too late to confirm that now!
post #16782 of 18096
"PSIP (5) State:0x4404" mean selected a type eq 5 (stations marked by the value "0x4404") for time/date calculation. If you'll scroll the list and see value "0x2203" then DVR skipped these.

EDIT. "(5)" doesn't look as a counter, most likely as PSIP type ID. See other IDs in posts below.
Edited by P Smith - 4/30/13 at 5:05pm
post #16783 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Do a warm boot. See if the order of ID's reverses.

Note: If you get a full display you will see the following categories with a summary after each one:

PSIP (5) State:0x4404
DVB (6) State: 0X3303
USER (8) State: 0x3323
Gem* (12) State 0x3313
View (15) State 0x3313

The last entery is:

Ticks:

Could you please post a snapshot ? I see only PSIP and list of it's station reduced to 19 from 22 total frown.gif
Edited by P Smith - 4/30/13 at 2:24pm
post #16784 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

"PSIP (5) State:0x4404" mean selected 5 stations (marked by the value "0x4404") for time/date calculation. If you'll scroll the list and see value "0x2203" then DVR skipped these.
OK, thanks.
post #16785 of 18096
Capturing all screens by USB stick and processin by MS Paint - here is my list of PSIP:

time.JPG 146k .JPG file
post #16786 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Do a warm boot. See if the order of ID's reverses.

Note: If you get a full display you will see the following categories with a summary after each one:

PSIP (5) State:0x4404
DVB (6) State: 0X3303
USER (8) State: 0x3323
Gem* (12) State 0x3313
View (15) State 0x3313

The last entry is:

Ticks:
How come Gem* and View states have the same hex ID? The only states I ever see are 0x4404 and 0x2203. I haven't checked TSIDs but I assumed the 0x2203's were stations I deleted.

DVB sounds like the modulation standard the rest of the world uses (instead of 8VSB used in N. America). I'd be very surprised if the Pal can tune DVB stations though.

GemStar was the original owner of TVGuide before Macrovision bought them and changed their name to Rovi, so the Gem* state probably flags stations getting their guide data from TVGoS. I'd be surprised if you see anything in that state now.
post #16787 of 18096
I'm waiting for a picture smile.gif
post #16788 of 18096
I don't have a picture, but back in December I went through the installation wizard to clear up my time issues upon losing TVGOS and had only 14 elements initially; I saw all of that information to which Pete-N2 referred--I hadn't before and was puzzled/intrigued--and wrote it down. So I had the following:

DVB (6), state: 0x3303, elements: 0
User (8), state: 0x3343, elements: 1
Gem* (12), state: 0x3334, elements: 1
View (15), state: 0x3333, elements: 0

I now have the full 19 elements showing and thus cannot check the data, but after the TV season has ended I may redo the installation wizard for S&G. If I do, I'll report what I find.
post #16789 of 18096
Interesting ... I think using rabbitear antenna would cut number of stations, then PSIP list sould be shorter and we could see the data ...
post #16790 of 18096
post #16791 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I'm waiting for a picture smile.gif

As soon as I get done cutting the grass!!biggrin.gif
post #16792 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

As soon as I get done cutting the grass!!biggrin.gif
Hope it's not scheduled for weekend smile.gif
post #16793 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

ok see attached:

Remember Category, indivdual station data, summary (one screen is repeated twice)
...

Thank you... other parts doesn't have elements to process, but "User". Seems to me the values in parentheses are not a number of selected elements ...
post #16794 of 18096
I agree, elements represent the number of stations to process. The number is parentheses is the probably numeric representation of the category. Note that under User (8) is one station -- ID=0. Since that LP has no PSIP data the only detail listed for that station is the time zone. Data for a specific ID is always indented.
post #16795 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Do a warm boot. See if the order of ID's reverses.

Note: If you get a full display you will see the following categories with a summary after each one:

PSIP (5) State:0x4404
DVB (6) State: 0X3303
USER (8) State: 0x3323
Gem* (12) State 0x3313
View (15) State 0x3313

The last entery is:

Ticks:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ABHiDef View Post

I don't have a picture, but back in December I went through the installation wizard to clear up my time issues upon losing TVGOS and had only 14 elements initially; I saw all of that information to which Pete-N2 referred--I hadn't before and was puzzled/intrigued--and wrote it down. So I had the following:

DVB (6), state: 0x3303, elements: 0
User (8), state: 0x3343, elements: 1
Gem* (12), state: 0x3334, elements: 1
View (15), state: 0x3333, elements: 0

I now have the full 19 elements showing and thus cannot check the data, but after the TV season has ended I may redo the installation wizard for S&G. If I do, I'll report what I find.

It's interesting that our hex number differ and ABHiDef had one element under Gem*
post #16796 of 18096
Perhaps that time TVGoS was active ?
post #16797 of 18096
My notes to the diags screen:
- each part (PSIP, DVB, etc) could have elements or not, but always have bottom summary chapter with six lines (where is "Save:" has DST value in seconds) like on a picture above DSC00054.JPG 38k .JPG file (I used telescopic dipole antenna and directed it to SJ stations mostly, that reduced # of elements to 7 and I see all parts of the report now)
- if number of elements not eq zero, you must see each element's data starting from " - Ident:" letters
- you could see all parts (not just PSIP if there are many stations) if # of PSIP elements less then 7 or 8, because of [a bug ?] limited output to the scrolling area
- "User" part is related to Time Zone settings: EDT give -18000 [sec] ( eq +5 hrs to GMT) value, PDT: -28800 [sec] (eq +8 hrs)
- "Ticks" counter at bottom is just duplicate the same string at first screen
- seems to me a letter "4" (part of hex value) in a state is good sign - some data accepted and using
- 1 hr equal 3600 seconds smile.gif
...
Edited by P Smith - 4/30/13 at 7:32pm
post #16798 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

It's interesting that our hex number differ and ABHiDef had one element under Gem*

Quote:
Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Perhaps that time TVGoS was active ?

Remember that the values I posted come from December of last year, when I no longer had TVGOS (it was about two months after I had lost it). I can understand having an element show up under Gem* if TVGOS was in play, but that was not the case in my situation, so that's kind of odd.


Here's the full info I wrote down, in case you're interested (well not QUITE full since I truncated the ends of the times because they changed every second wink.gif):

DVB (6), state: 0x3303, elements: 0
Zone: +0
Save +0 (enabled)
Time: 02:26:-- Sat 29/12/2012
Secs: 4100632--
Next: 03:14:07 Th 19/01/2068 = 0
Local: 21:27:01 Fri 28/12/2012

User (8), state: 0x3343, elements: 1
Ident: 0=0x0040
Zone: -18000
Zone: -18000
Save: +0 (enabled)
Time: 02:28:-- Sat 29/12/2012
Secs: 4100633--
Next: 03:14:07 Th 19/01/2068 = 0
Local: 21:28:-- Fri 28/12/2012

Gem* (12), state: 0x3334, elements: 1
Ident: 0=0x0004
Time: 02:30:-- 29/12/2012 (+0)
Zone: -18000
Save: +0 (enabled)
Time: 02:31:-- Sat 29/12/2012
Secs: 4100634--
Next: 03:14:07 Th 19/01/2068 = 0
Local: 21:31:-- Fri 28/12/2012

View (15), state: 0x3333, elements: 0
Zone: -18000
Save: +0 (enabled)
Time: 02:32:-- Sat 29/12/2012
Next: 03:14:07 Th 19/01/2068 = 0
Local: 21:33:-- Fri 28/12/2012

Ticks: 106134-- seconds
Edited by ABHiDef - 4/30/13 at 11:28pm
post #16799 of 18096
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Originally Posted by ABHiDef View Post



Gem* (12), state: 0x3334, elements: 1
Ident: 0=0x0004
Time: 02:30:-- 29/12/2012 (+0)
Zone: -18000
Save: +0 (enabled)
Time: 02:31:-- Sat 29/12/2012
Secs: 4100634--
Next: 03:14:07 Th 19/01/2068 = 0
Local: 21:31:-- Fri 28/12/2012

Since the station Ident is 0 this entry is probably bogus data. Any LP's in the area?
post #16800 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

- if number of elements not eq zero, you must see each element's data starting from " - Ident:" letters
- you could see all parts (not just PSIP if there are many stations) if # of PSIP elements less then 7 or 8, because of [a bug ?] limited output to the scrolling area
...
As I stated when we were discussing this issue in December/January, I think the diagnostics screens where added primarily so the designers could debug their software and never really intended for the user. It was not removed before release for fear of breaking something or they thought that they might need it for the next release.

I wonder what the diagnostics screens looked like in the first release.
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