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post #16861 of 18096
Re: bulged capacitors.

My Philips DVD player [DVP-642] stop working (slow blinking power red LED); after opening its hood, I found one bulged capacitor (TBOR 1000 mF 10V 105C 0405) on PSU board and two (TBOR 470 mF 16V 105C 0405) on controller board.
Replaced and the player working again. I would say it's not that old capacitors - April 2005).
It's just an example of that fact of bad chemical - many companies used then and made such short-living caps.
post #16862 of 18096
Tested OK.

Probably best and least expensive drive for the DVR:
WDC [Hitachi] HGST HTS541010A9E680
2.5"
1 TB
5400 RPM
8MB cache
6 Gbps
low power consumption
AF: 512 bytes per sector logical/4096 physical size
$64

Tested for two simultaneous recordings during 12 hours, both runs are perfect.
post #16863 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Tested OK.

Probably best and least expensive drive for the DVR:
WDC [Hitachi] HGST HTS541010A9E680
2.5"
1 TB


Then you'd have to use a mounting adapter.


What would you recommend for a cheap 3.5" drive?
post #16864 of 18096
WDC AV-GP type.

Mounting adapter ? If I don't have it, I would use just two screws or make mod of existing DVR's by drilling a hole or two smile.gif
post #16865 of 18096
post #16866 of 18096
Just bouht my second WD AV-GP 10EURX from amazon for $81.02 no shipping charge. Been running the first fpr a year - smooth and quiet.
Bernieoc
post #16867 of 18096
Has anyone used one of these on their DVR? It says it just needs a USB port to connect to. If it will work (the instructions don't mention any other equipment besides computers), I think I would like to try it in a room where I don't have AC and I'm worried about the Pal overheating.
If it does run, I'm wondering what it would consider to be "sleep or hibernate", since the HDD is always spinning even when the Pal isn't turned on. It won't be useful if it shuts off during the day when I just have the timer set and I'm not watching or recording anything. Does anyone know?

http://techuniverseproducts.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/TU1331_Laptop_Cooler_Quick_Guide.94173211.pdf
post #16868 of 18096
no, the DVR is running all the time, during "power off"mode (eg standby) it will not output video/audio but continue all other tasks
post #16869 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

no, the DVR is running all the time, during "power off"mode (eg standby) it will not output video/audio but continue all other tasks

So this would be a good thing to use? I can get them 75% off right now at Rite Aid. :-)
post #16870 of 18096
I would add bias current to rotate the fan 24/7 at a speed when you can't hear it ... you could try the contraption, the point is a plastic bottom doesn't have vents to push ambient air inside to cool down CPU, tuner's chips and HDD...
[components ranged by producing calories ]
post #16871 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I would add bias current to rotate the fan 24/7 at a speed when you can't hear it ... you could try the contraption, the point is a plastic bottom doesn't have vents to push ambient air inside to cool down CPU, tuner's chips and HDD...
[components ranged by producing calories ]

I don't understand what you mean by "ranged". And you mean calories of heat?
post #16872 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LuvMyDVR33 View Post

I don't understand what you mean by "ranged". And you mean calories of heat?
Yes, the heat and who is produce more.
post #16873 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LuvMyDVR33 View Post

So this would be a good thing to use? I can get them 75% off right now at Rite Aid. :-)

I think he is not enthusiastic about this product and I would agree. For laptops which get very hot on the bottom and can't vent much heat because of their design this could help. However for the DTVPAL this does not make much sense and I don't really think it would do much. You are far better off making sure you keep the inside of your DTVPAL as dust free as possible (Inspect and clean every 6 month or sooner if you see build up) and place it in an open space where there is good air circulation around it. If you are not using it during the summer months (rerun season) I would unplug it.
post #16874 of 18096
One of my Pal's in the reboot. How do I contact P Smith for repair and the cost?

Thanks

Tom Drake
post #16875 of 18096
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Originally Posted by yellowtiburon View Post

One of my Pal's in the reboot. How do I contact P Smith for repair and the cost?

Thanks

Tom Drake
Just hover your mouse pointer over my nick and select "Send PM", type your email addy and do send your PM to me.
post #16876 of 18096
I agree a laptop cooler wouldn't be effective in cooling a device with an unvented plastic base. Plastic is a poor conductor of heat, so without vents for air to flow through, you'd just be cooling the bottom of the base. It wouldn't help heat escape from the inside.

If you must leave the Pal running in a room w/o AC, a better approach would be to replace the HDD with a low-power 2.5" model, and/or move it to an external enclosure. The heat produced inside the Pal is equal to its energy consumption, and I believe the stock HDD uses roughly 5 watts, about 25% of the Pal's 21-watt standby energy usage. A 2.5" HDD can use as little as 1 watt, saving about 1 small calorie per second vs. the stock HDD.

The Pal's internal fan is temperature-controlled, so the hotter it gets the more it should run. As long as air can flow freely, the temperature isn't too extreme, and energy usage/heat production is minimized, you should be OK.

If the temperature in the room will regularly exceed 40 C (104 degrees Fahrenheit), cut power to any electronics in the room during those times. Also, when cleaning the Pal, inspect it for bulging electrolytic capacitors. I would expect high temperatures to reduce their lifespan even more than usual.
post #16877 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I agree a laptop cooler wouldn't be effective in cooling a device with an unvented plastic base. Plastic is a poor conductor of heat, so without vents for air to flow through, you'd just be cooling the bottom of the base. It wouldn't help heat escape from the inside.

If you must leave the Pal running in a room w/o AC, a better approach would be to replace the HDD with a low-power 2.5" model, and/or move it to an external enclosure. The heat produced inside the Pal is equal to its energy consumption, and I believe the stock HDD uses roughly 5 watts, about 25% of the Pal's 21-watt standby energy usage. A 2.5" HDD can use as little as 1 watt, saving about 1 small calorie per second vs. the stock HDD.

The Pal's internal fan is temperature-controlled, so the hotter it gets the more it should run. As long as air can flow freely, the temperature isn't too extreme, and energy usage/heat production is minimized, you should be OK.

If the temperature in the room will regularly exceed 40 C (104 degrees Fahrenheit), cut power to any electronics in the room during those times. Also, when cleaning the Pal, inspect it for bulging electrolytic capacitors. I would expect high temperatures to reduce their lifespan even more than usual.

Bummer, I thought I had hit upon an easy, $3 way to keep my DVR running longer. Now I know why no one ever recommended one of those before. Thanks for the info, and an explanation that makes sense to me. :-)
You all are just so way above my head most of the time, it amazes me how you think nothing of opening up the equipment and changing things. I built my own computer, but for prebuilt electronics, I just buy a warranty and leave them be. I have only opened one of my Pals (have had 4 or 5 over the years), and even that was very difficult for me to accomplish. And now with warranties, I am not going to even take the chance of accidentally snapping off a piece of plastic that might void my coverage, even to open and dust it. So the best I can do with ones that are around a year old, is to shut them off and put a vacuum right up to the vents occasionally.
I don't have room for an external enclosure either. I don't think the hottest room gets over 90 degrees ever, or I wouldn't be able to stand being in there to watch recordings anyway. I do make sure that the blinds are closed during the time of day sun is coming into the room, so it won't shine directly on the DVR.
I'm sure your advice will help everyone else, I just can't be that type of pro-active until I have a unit that isn't under warranty anymore. And if something happens before that, I will be paid in full by Square Trade to get a replacement. My biggest focus now is on watching or making copies of recordings ASAP so I won't lose too much if a HDD dies.
Thanks again. Now I know not to carry out my plan to pick up a few more laptop coolers on Saturday.
post #16878 of 18096
Use your vacuum as a dust blower, not as a sucker - go outside for that wink.gif
post #16879 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Use your vacuum as a dust blower, not as a sucker - go outside for that wink.gif

Wouldn't that just blow any dust near the vents further into the area of the components where you don't want it to be?
When I open computers, I use one of those cans of aerosol air dusters, I've never thought about using a vacuum to blow the dust around in them, I thought it would be too forceful.
post #16880 of 18096
I've had my DVR since 2008, and have never had the cover off.
A couple times a year (or whenever I hear the cooling fan running faster)
I vacuum the dust from the vent holes.
post #16881 of 18096
I'd do both. Vacuum out what you can, then go outside and blow out the rest. Use a real blower though, not just a can of compressed gas. Those cans are good for spot-cleaning an opened-up device, but don't have enough pressure to blow out something that's not opened up.

If the blower is powerful enough (and blowing clean air), very little dust will settle back inside, and there's not really anything "loose" in there that could be damaged by the blower. It's a good way to clean a Pal that's under a Square Trade warranty without opening it up.
post #16882 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

I've had my DVR since 2008, and have never had the cover off.
A couple times a year (or whenever I hear the cooling fan running faster)
I vacuum the dust from the vent holes.
You are cleaning vent's holes. That's it.

Open a box AFTER you did the "cleaning" and see how much dust left inside. I could post photos with dust built up and your "vacuum" will never clean these.
post #16883 of 18096
I see where CM has the 7000Pal available again for $339.99 with another 15% off promotion.That makes it under $300 by my figuring. Who knew they still had the connection to the manufacturer? I did not try ordering one but it is on their site today.
post #16884 of 18096
I'm pretty sure the device came from shelves ... So far seen all the boards mfg from 2008 and 2009.
post #16885 of 18096
Somebody needs to tell the Antennalogic guy he's being undersold by CM. He has the CM-7000Pal at $369.99. Then again, he probably doesn't care.

Here's the link to the CM-7000Pal at the Channel Master store: http://www.channelmasterstore.com/CM_7000PAL_DVR_p/cm-7000pal.htm. I didn't see anything about 15% off though, and if you try to add one to your cart, it says "out of stock." (Edit: Incidentally, CM's other DVR is also out of stock.) Where did you see the new offer confused.gif
Edited by JHBrandt - 5/17/13 at 11:24am
post #16886 of 18096
post #16887 of 18096
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post #16888 of 18096
Thanks for passing that on to we fiends wink.gif I see now - it's a general promo for anything at ChannelMasterStore.com, not a specific offer on the CM-7000Pal. As previously noted, CM is (probably permanently) out of CM-7000Pal stock, but there may be other CM products worth considering: antennas, amps, STBs, etc.

Too bad - 15% off would've been $51, making it a dollar less than the Amazon offer LuvMyDVR33 posted.
Edited by JHBrandt - 5/17/13 at 11:20am
post #16889 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Thanks all of you for following on this. At the moment I can't take that drive and use it in a test as it is in use and loaded with stuff. Perhaps later this summer I can play with it in an external enclosure and do one more testing with the DTVPAL.

I would suspect as time goes on and people have to replace drives with newer 1 TB models we will also learn more.

PS. PSMITH I received my DTVPAL that you repaired on Monday and will be hooking it back up later this week. Now that I have 2 DTVPALs back in use I can start thinking about hooking the Seagate ST1000VM002 drive to an external inclosure and testing it again as soon as I can free it up.

Update:

Yesterday I moved the Seagate Pipeline ST1000VM002 to a Nexstar CX enclosure (this it the drive that would not work no matter how many times I tried inside the PALDVR. It would not recognize the drive) and connected it to the PALDVR. It was found and I did a format and then set up recordings which it did and I viewed them. Not sure it proves that any 1 TB drive will work with the PALDVR in an enclosure even though it may not work internally. Sure seems like it.
post #16890 of 18096
If I would have the drive I'd like to try set it to "do-not-spin-after-power-on" mode and see if DVR's CPU's SATA controller would better negotiate with it.
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