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post #16891 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

If I would have the drive I'd like to try set it to "do-not-spin-after-power-on" mode and see if DVR's CPU's SATA controller would better negotiate with it.

I think you are probably correct. However we can only guess as you don't have this drive and I can't possibly send it to you.
post #16892 of 18096
So take the hint and check it yourself. How to do it is found elsewhere. Maybe download a free Ubuntu live file system and see if it has the utility you need.
post #16893 of 18096
I know how to do it. I have checked and changed drive parameters. The problem is it is now back hooked up to the DTVPAL and has recordings on it. I'm not going to mess with it at this point when it works fine. I think the point is if we need to replace drives in the future and they don't work internally they can probably work externally or if you are up to it you can check drive parameters and possibly change them to make it work internally.
post #16894 of 18096
If it ain't broke, don't fix it wink.gif

Vantec's Nextar enclosures are the brand I use. I know they have an internal SATA controller, but I thought it was only used for USB connectivity and that eSATA was merely a pass-through. But apparently the internal controller is used for eSATA too.

At this point my best guess is that the Pal's SATA controller won't negotiate a SATA III drive down to SATA II, but the enclosure's controller will, allowing your drive to work with the Pal. At any rate, we now know an external enclosure will let at least one additional drive model work with the Pal.
post #16895 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

If it ain't broke, don't fix it wink.gif

Vantec's Nextar enclosures are the brand I use. I know they have an internal SATA controller, but I thought it was only used for USB connectivity and that eSATA was merely a pass-through. But apparently the internal controller is used for eSATA too.

At this point my best guess is that the Pal's SATA controller won't negotiate a SATA III drive down to SATA II, but the enclosure's controller will, allowing your drive to work with the Pal. At any rate, we now know an external enclosure will let at least one additional drive model work with the Pal.

Yup and that is a very good thing. I think it also means that if you use the right enclosure you can possibly use just about any make and model 1 TB drive with the DTVPAL.

By the way I really love using an external drive with this unit. It runs so much cooler with the hot drive out of it and it also opens up the cabinet for more air circulating.
post #16896 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

Then you'd have to use a mounting adapter.


What would you recommend for a cheap 3.5" drive?

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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

WDC AV-GP type.

Mounting adapter ? If I don't have it, I would use just two screws or make mod of existing DVR's by drilling a hole or two smile.gif

Got my new drive yesterday and I am trying to figure out how to mount it.. If you have mounted one permanently I would love to see a picture...
post #16897 of 18096
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The question has always been how frequently, when the DTVPal is in standby mode, the DTVPal does a channel sweep to keep the guide filled in for all the channels.
Has this been determined?
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A simple test is to set the DTVPal's DNS 1 to the IP address of your computer and run a DNS server that will report the requests it receives. If the DTVPal is querying an NTP server, its requests will show up in the logs.
Wouldn't that cause a conflict in your router??

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Edited by videobruce - 5/25/13 at 8:22am
post #16898 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post


Got my new drive yesterday and I am trying to figure out how to mount it.. If you have mounted one permanently I would love to see a picture...
if we could knew what was it ? smile.gif
post #16899 of 18096
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Has this been determined?
Wouldn't that cause a conflict in your router??

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a) it would be easy to determinate: run I2C logger on on both tuners
b) nope, there' re two DNS IPs in a router's table what are using by programs on your PC or other network hosts, who're sending requests to DNS servers with domain_names for resolve these to IP (a number) before start communication with a target. Two DNS IPs are for redundancy, if one is not responding - using next; so make it bogus would slow down normal connection on your PC just a little bit.
post #16900 of 18096
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Has this been determined?
[...]

This message from February describes how mine behaves. My DTVPal gets very little use, and is off most of the time (I only record one 30 minute show a day on it). People who either leave their DTVPal on all the time, or record a lot of shows would have different results, since it appears that while the DTVPal is in use, these PSIP scans either stop, or aren't as frequent.

Mark
post #16901 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Tested OK.

Probably best and least expensive drive for the DVR:
WDC [Hitachi] HGST HTS541010A9E680
2.5"
1 TB
5400 RPM
8MB cache
6 Gbps
low power consumption
AF: 512 bytes per sector logical/4096 physical size
$64

Tested for two simultaneous recordings during 12 hours, both runs are perfect.

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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

if we could knew what was it ? smile.gif
What the doctor recommended... HGST HTS541010A9E680
post #16902 of 18096
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145584
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817990022

The brackets are 2.5" long and so will not line up with all four DTVPal mounting holes and sound dampening grommets. The threads in the brackets (and hole size) are not to the 3.5" standard.
Edited by Pete-N2 - 5/25/13 at 10:03am
post #16903 of 18096
I would drill new holes less diameter and will screw original bolt with a force to make new threading, after cut brackets to correct length by dremel tool.
Perhaps I would try hold the drive on one side with two original screws first.
post #16904 of 18096
I think I am going to order this bracket. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817990015

I looks to me like it has the same form factor as a 3.5" drive and that the 2.5" drive will be centered in the 3.5" space. At that point the power cable will be just a tad to short and will need to be lengthened about an inch.

This way I will be able to utilize the rubber sound dampeing grommets. Pix attached.
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post #16905 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

I think I am going to order this bracket. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817990015

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You did pick DUAL bay adapter, that would be dangerous as it will touch components on a main board.
post #16906 of 18096
I haven't found a single bay adapter yet, but the height of two 2.5" drives is the same a one 3.5" drive!


Product Dimensions: 4.5 x 4 x 1 inches
post #16907 of 18096
check a clearance before connect power cord !
post #16908 of 18096
I don't understand why people would want to monkey around with a $70 2.5-inch drive when the 3.5-inch drives are still available for under $70.
post #16909 of 18096
Less power consumption
Less heat generated
Reliability??
100 per cent backwards compatible -- oops

At this point I wouldn't recommend it.
post #16910 of 18096
Why are you messing around with an internal drive to begin with. Just mount it externally and you get all the benefits. Plus you free up the inside for more air movement and cooling!
post #16911 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Why are you messing around with an internal drive to begin with. Just mount it externally and you get all the benefits. Plus you free up the inside for more air movement and cooling!
I saw many different kind of enclosures for 2.5" drives - looks nice. Small, some has a fan (some with two slots, some with four for RAID - not for the DVR thought).
post #16912 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I saw many different kind of enclosures for 2.5" drives - looks nice. Small, some has a fan (some with two slots, some with four for RAID - not for the DVR thought).

I have a Coolgear enclosure for a small laptop SATA drive but it only has a USB port. I feel virtually no heat.
post #16913 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I saw many different kind of enclosures for 2.5" drives - looks nice. Small, some has a fan (some with two slots, some with four for RAID - not for the DVR thought).
Links please smile.gif
post #16914 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Links please smile.gif
Fry's shelves smile.gif
post #16915 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Links please smile.gif

Just go to Newegg. I just browsed 2.5 inch enclosures and they have a ton. Many have only USB ports. You need to look for those that have SATA/eSata out.

Just make sure you also get the right cable to go from the enclosure to the DTVPAL. 3 ft is plenty long if you want to hide the enclosure.
post #16916 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Why are you messing around with an internal drive to begin with. Just mount it externally and you get all the benefits. Plus you free up the inside for more air movement and cooling!
1. It's the way it's designed,
2. It reduces the clutter around the DVR,
3. One less wall brick and associated cables Unless you modify the case and extend the cables out of the enclosure.

Pete-N2;
If you go to the VRX thread, I have links for external enclosures there, though it may be a problem finding one with a SATA port. Have you done a search??
post #16917 of 18096
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

1. It's the way it's designed,
2. It reduces the clutter around the DVR,
3. One less wall brick and associated cables Unless you modify the case and extend the cables out of the enclosure.

Pete-N2;
If you go to the VRX thread, I have links for external enclosures there, though it may be a problem finding one with a SATA port. Have you done a search??

Videobruce all good points and valid.

However if you buy a 3 foot SATA cable like I did and hide it behind the TV no one will see the enclosure.
You don't have to modify the case at all. There is a slot in the back where the SATA cable fits nicely on its way to the enclosure.
The DVR is cooler inside with the hard drive and its heat out and there is better cooling because the fan has more open space in the cabinet to move air.
A cooler DVR means the components may last longer.
post #16918 of 18096
I would like a Holiday gift please.

I remember reading there was a better more permanent way to delete a channel from the line up. So it does not come back. Everytime I delete stuff it comes back.

Could some kind person please give me instructions (Step by Step)

Thank You in advance,
post #16919 of 18096
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

I would like a Holiday gift please.

I remember reading there was a better more permanent way to delete a channel from the line up. So it does not come back. Everytime I delete stuff it comes back.

Could some kind person please give me instructions (Step by Step)

Thank You in advance,

Locks

Locks allow you to block channels or programs by requiring a password to be
entered before they can be viewed.
Access the Locks menu by pressing
MENU on the remote control,
selecting Setup, then selecting
Locks, then following the steps
below. If you previously set a
password, you’ll need to enter the
password to access the Locks
menu. After you choose your Locks
settings, you’ll need to create a
password and lock the system for
the Locks to take effect.

Locking specific channels

To require a password to be entered to view specific channels:
1. Select Channel Locks from
the Locks menu.
2. Use the UP and DOWN
ARROWS to find the
channels you want to block.
Press SELECT to include the
channel in the list of locked
channels. A channel is
selected when it has a filledin
box next to it.
3. If you want to hide the selected channels from being displayed in the
Program Guide and other channel lists, select Yes under Hide Locked
Channels. Select Done to save your changes.
4. Follow the steps in Locking your DTVPal DVR to apply the channel
locks.
post #16920 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Links please smile.gif
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I'm using the model of eSATA/USB enclosure with 2.5" SATA drives [IOCELL Networks Corp. Model 251UE NetDISK Portable] for my tests and experiments
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