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post #17251 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I've found that the "Search this thread" function is often not particularly helpful. A Google search may work better, but it'll search the whole avsforum.com site.

Try searching like this:


I just googled (using startpage.com, of course) for 'window tint' and bingo!
post #17252 of 18096
Golinux,

You just confused the heck out of me with that post. Way over my head.
post #17253 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Golinux,

You just confused the heck out of me with that post. Way over my head.

Just put whatever term you want to search for in the Google search box and append the instruction to only search this thread:


And results will be only from this thread. A good way to focus searches that can be used with any site/thread.
post #17254 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

The irony is, window tint is often sold on the premise that it'll keep a tinted car cooler. To do so it'd have to reflect infrared light...
This stuff is just gray maybe 35% light passes through it. No metallic, aluminized, or whatever content to it that would reflect infrared. The heat it blocks in it's usual application on a window is absorbed by the film and probably dispersed into the glass.
post #17255 of 18096
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

Just put whatever term you want to search for in the Google search box and append the instruction to only search this thread:
And results will be only from this thread. A good way to focus searches that can be used with any site/thread.

I was talking about ONLY searching this thread when I voiced my complaints about getting so many hits and pages to go through.
post #17256 of 18096
Some visible light gets converted into infrared when it strikes the interior surfaces of the car, so tinted windows that reduce the transmission of visible light would have some effect on a car's interior temperature.
post #17257 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

I was talking about ONLY searching this thread when I voiced my complaints about getting so many hits and pages to go through.

The forum search function and Google may produce very different results. Google's usually much better.
post #17258 of 18096
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

I was talking about ONLY searching this thread when I voiced my complaints about getting so many hits and pages to go through.

The forum search function and Google may produce very different results. Google's usually much better.

 

Use care. Some security experts say that ~40% of malware has shifted to Google links to bad pages.

post #17259 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Some visible light gets converted into infrared when it strikes the interior surfaces of the car, so tinted windows that reduce the transmission of visible light would have some effect on a car's interior temperature.
That sort of conversion is not according law of physics ... may I see serious info about the phenomena ?
post #17260 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Use care. Some security experts say that ~40% of malware has shifted to Google links to bad pages.

1. That link would ONLY go to this page. 2. I don't use Windoze or Mac. Windoze users kinda deserve what they get. 3. startpage.com is a more secure version of google search. I'm not worried. smile.gif
post #17261 of 18096
Thanks, golinux. I didn't know the site: keyword could restrict a search down to a particular thread. I thought it'd still search the whole site.

When searching for, say, "remote detection," commercial search engines like Google and Startpage will probably give better results than simple search functions like this forum's. And as long as you use the site: keyword, your search shouldn't turn up any malware sites.
post #17262 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Some visible light gets converted into infrared when it strikes the interior surfaces of the car, so tinted windows that reduce the transmission of visible light would have some effect on a car's interior temperature.
That sort of conversion is not according law of physics ... may I see serious info about the phenomena ?
More precisely, near IR, visible, and some UV light enter the car and are absorbed by its interior, causing it to heat up. But at the temperatures they heat up to, they only re-radiate in far IR light, which is absorbed or reflected by glass, so it can't escape the car. And of course the glass blocks airflow so the heat can't escape by convection either. That's why cars (and greenhouses) get so hot inside.
post #17263 of 18096
As I have been reminded more than once by some of my very own posts this is off topic. The discussion is interesting and I would love to chime in with my opinion but since it would continue to be off topic I won't.
post #17264 of 18096
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

Just put whatever term you want to search for in the Google search box and append the instruction to only search this thread:
And results will be only from this thread. A good way to focus searches that can be used with any site/thread.

This tip may prove to be very useful to me in the future....I hope I can remember it. I think most people would just stay on the AVS forum though and use its search engine. Which brings us back to why many people will give up looking for what they want and post a question about something when there is info already posted that answers their question.
post #17265 of 18096
Because the AVS search engine sucks!

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...smile.gif
Edited by Pete-N2 - 7/24/13 at 6:26am
post #17266 of 18096
I would not go that far. I works for many searches that I did. But there were a few where I got overwhelmed with what it returned. This DTVPAL forum has grown so much and has so much material and info that the search engine may or may not work well.
post #17267 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

I would not go that far. I works for many searches that I did. But there were a few where I got overwhelmed with what it returned. This DTVPAL forum has grown so much and has so much material and info that the search engine may or may not work well.
I really wished the first post was updated with new tips, tricks, changes, etc. Yeah, searching can be frustrating. frown.gif
post #17268 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

I really wished the first post was updated with new tips, tricks, changes, etc. Yeah, searching can be frustrating. frown.gif
If you have something ready to update, just PM to Mods the info and it'll be there in days
post #17269 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

I really wished the first post was updated with new tips, tricks, changes, etc. Yeah, searching can be frustrating. frown.gif
If you have something ready to update, just PM to Mods the info and it'll be there in days
Ah OK. I can't remember what I saw was good. I think one was the 208 firmware link which is already there.
post #17270 of 18096
For those who've been having problems with the ChannelMaster CM-7000PAL tuner intermittently crapping out and not receiving any stations, this may help.

I'd posted earlier a theory that when the CM-7000PAL's tuner stops working and registers a zero signal strength on all channels, there might be a correlation between that and the CM-7000 picking up out of market signals for just a quick minute, adding them to the channel list, and then the tuner giving out.

For the last month or so I've been deleting these out of market channels after the CM-7000 adds them. And my tuner hasn't given out once, not one time. I really believe the unit's tuner tries to pull these signals in repeatedly after adding them, and then maybe heats up(?) and then stops functioning and trying to receive any channels.

To anyone who's having problems with their CM-7000PAL tuner, I would advise deleting out-of-market channels or, as an earlier poster pointed out, blocking these channels, and then seeing if their tuner behaves more reliably over time afterward. My tuner has never worked better since I started doing this, no lockups or any other problems at all. It's anecdotal, and I have no technical information to back it up, but it's working for me fyi.
post #17271 of 18096
I have noticed that if you leave the Pal tuned a weak/marginal signal, it eventually seems to get confused trying to decode the stream, causing the picture to remain frozen even if the signal clears up. Usually changing the channel will recover, but once it did to me what Kennedy1037 experienced: stopped tuning anything at all! To recover, I had to hold the power button on the remote until it rebooted, after which it worked OK again. So I would definitely delete or hide stations like that.

If a station only comes in rarely, you may find it comes back a few days after you delete it. The Pal periodically scans for new stations, and sometimes it seems to "forget" that a station it finds is one you had deleted, so it adds it back. In that case, hiding the station may work better than deleting it.
post #17272 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

I really wished the first post was updated with new tips, tricks, changes, etc. Yeah, searching can be frustrating. frown.gif
If you have something ready to update, just PM to Mods the info and it'll be there in days
Ah OK. I can't remember what I saw was good. I think one was the 208 firmware link which is already there.
I remember we once discussed adding to the first post more info on HDDs known to work with the Pal. I think we discovered:
  • Capacity must be between 80GB and 1TB
  • Drive must support SATA II
  • Some newer (SATA III) drives would only work in an external enclosure, not internally
post #17273 of 18096
just shoot the list to Mods
post #17274 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525

There's a Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR on eBay right now (item #151069076666) with a 500GB drive upgrade installed and it is selling for $499.00.

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Originally Posted by wiscojim View Post

Well, it's "listed" at $499. I doubt that it's going to be "selling" at that price.

If it were, I'd list 4 of my DTVPal DVRs with 1TB drives and buy one hell of a nice Computer PVR with the money. Oh, and a new flat screen to boot!

smile.gif

Well it took about a month but it did finally sell for $499 on July 29! eek.gif
post #17275 of 18096
Based on what is out there now or not out there it is worth $499.

There are no 2 tuner DVRs being made that come close to being as good. Supply and demand.
post #17276 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Based on what is out there now or not out there it is worth $499.
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There are no 2 tuner DVRs being made that come close to being as good. Supply and demand.
I will have to disagree. I would say my home theater PC with HDhomerun tuners and my TiVo Series 3 with a 2TB drive are both better OTA DVRs. You can easily buy a used Tivo series 3 with upgraded hard drive and lifetime service for under $400 and could likely buy a new PC and OTA tuners for under the $500 noted.
post #17277 of 18096
1. A home Theater PC is NOT a 2 Tuner DVR . It is a Home Theater PC. A lot of people would not really care to use a PC for this purpose for many reasons. I have 2 spare PCs in my house right now and I would never want them anywhere near my large screen TVs.

2. A Used TIVO series 3 is I guess a solid competitor to the CM- 7000 PAL. Sounds like it could be a better way to go but I really don't know if the TIVO series 3 is a better product.
post #17278 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

1. A home Theater PC is NOT a 2 Tuner DVR . It is a Home Theater PC. A lot of people would not really care to use a PC for this purpose for many reasons. I have 2 spare PCs in my house right now and I would never want them anywhere near my large screen TVs.

2. A Used TIVO series 3 is I guess a solid competitor to the CM- 7000 PAL. Sounds like it could be a better way to go but I really don't know if the TIVO series 3 is a better product.
I will agree that a HTPC is not a DVR "appliance" however a HTPC running media center with OTA tuners is an excellent DVR. I will also stipulate that I prefer a DVR appliance over a HTPC DVR and my guess is that most people would prefer the appliance.

Regarding the CM-7000 versus a Series 3 with lifetime, in most cases I would say the Series 3 generally provides superior functionality however there are specific usages situations where the CM-7000 is super. The Series 3 requires access to the Internet to provide its guide data either through dial up or some type of high speed connection, the CM-7000 does not. So in any situation where access to the Internet is not viable the CM-7000 becomes the superior product.
post #17279 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

1. A home Theater PC is NOT a 2 Tuner DVR . It is a Home Theater PC. A lot of people would not really care to use a PC for this purpose for many reasons. I have 2 spare PCs in my house right now and I would never want them anywhere near my large screen TVs.

2. A Used TIVO series 3 is I guess a solid competitor to the CM- 7000 PAL. Sounds like it could be a better way to go but I really don't know if the TIVO series 3 is a better product.

I build a PC with 4 tuners/Windows 7 & Media Center (I could not get XBMC to run under FreeBSD (it runs but is super slow)) when I decided PSIP was just not good enough. Not as friendly as the Pal DVR but lots of good guide info, name based recording etc. If I had a decent PC sitting in the corner I would say it is worth a couple hundred to make a recorder. You will also need a USB based IR receiver because the Hauppauge on card receiver does not work very good.
post #17280 of 18096
I have a 4 tuner DVR in my HTPC as well, and it isn't anywhere near any of the 4 TVs that use it. Works beautifully and is far cheaper than TiVo. Also streams my video, photo and music libraries. Works with an ordinary IR or RF remote too. Makes the Pal look like a toy.
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