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post #17341 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Something occurred to me: the Pal has two tuners. If tuner 1 has failed but tuner 2 still works, I'd expect these results:
  1. You have correct data in your guide, even though you can't watch anything
  2. If you set up a timed recording and turn the Pal off, it records OK
If not (you don't have guide data, and timed recordings don't work), I'd guess the RF signal isn't making it to either tuner. Perhaps a broken lead or solder joint inside the Pal.

There is no guide because there is no channels. No way to set a recording. The RF signal isn't making it to either tuner.
post #17342 of 18096
Oops - I forgot that you did a factory defaults reset, which wipes out your channel list. I guess it's no longer possible to tell frown.gif

Sorry I brought it up. It would've been interesting to check and see before the factory defaults reset, but you were right to try it since a factory defaults reset often fixes these kinds of problems.

Anyway, I was thinking that if the problem is the RF signal being interrupted, that would be easier for someone like P Smith to fix. If it's instead a bad tuner chip, he'd probably have to salvage a spare from another Pal to fix it. Not sure if the Pal's tuner chip(s) are used in any other common device. I know he told us the CPU is pretty much unique to the Pal.

(Although, if tuner 2 were still working, I'd expect the Pal to "auto-add" channels as it did its automatic channel scans. So I guess the evidence still points toward the easier-to-fix problem, just not as convincingly.)
post #17343 of 18096
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Originally Posted by joekoler View Post

There is no guide because there is no channels. No way to set a recording. The RF signal isn't making it to either tuner.

 

Have you inspected each end of the coax to make sure the center pin isn't damaged or bent, or too short or too long?.

post #17344 of 18096
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Originally Posted by joekoler View Post

I get the menu and the old recordings just no antenna signal.
try to add individual channel, you will see progress bar - is the bar look weird? is the right side out of rectangle region ?
post #17345 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

try to add individual channel, you will see progress bar - is the bar look weird? is the right side out of rectangle region ?

The connections are fine. It will not find channels from the search or add a channel. This thing is just shot.
post #17346 of 18096
I'm asking specifically, to help you, as EE and a person who fixed a lot of the DVRs; I'd like to know what signal level (the bar was easy way to check ) on a channel when you try to scan/add it.
post #17347 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I'm asking specifically, to help you, as EE and a person who fixed a lot of the DVRs; I'd like to know what signal level (the bar was easy way to check ) on a channel when you try to scan/add it.

The signal strength is zero and it says no lock.
post #17348 of 18096
Ah, OK. At least not thousands as bad demod chip reporting...well, next step would involving measuring power rails of the tuner's chip ... not sure if you will go there ...
PM if you like to fix it.
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post #17350 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

New TIVO Offfering:

http://www.tivo.com/discover/antenna
Still too expensive with the required monthly/lifetime subscription. frown.gif
post #17351 of 18096
tsk, tsk, tsk
post #17352 of 18096
A tivo forum reported that there is a GROUPER coupon for $50 off and a streaming device either free or something off.
post #17353 of 18096
it is interesting news, but really ? its discussion belong to other thread ...
post #17354 of 18096
If anyone has a need for parts (or is otherwise interested) there is a seller (antennalogic) on eBay selling non-working Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVRs for $50 each (plus shipping) or two for $90 (plus shipping). The eBay item number for the single unit is 141031519690 and the item number for two units is 141031524275. It says that there are "more than 10 available."

NOTE: On the antennalogic.com website the price for the single non-working unit is $45 (plus shipping) and $80 (plus shipping) for two units.
post #17355 of 18096
Interesting! Presumably one could buy 1 or more of them and have them shipped to PSMITH and if he can fix them get 1 or more working models shipped from PSMITH to you for his service fee and shipping costs? Might be a great deal? Especially if you could then go on EBAY and sell one or more for $200 or more easily!

PSMITH.....you could just do this and with your skills make a few bucks selling refurbished models?
post #17356 of 18096
IIRC, when this was first posted a few weeks ago the antennalogic listing indicated that there were no remotes included . . .
post #17357 of 18096
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

IIRC, when this was first posted a few weeks ago the antennalogic listing indicated that there were no remotes included . . .

Were you referring to the information being "first posted a few weeks ago" on the antennalogic.com website? I went back one month in this thread, which I follow very closely, and did not see any previous mention of these non-working CM-7000PAL DVRs being offered for sale as single units or in lots of 2.

You are correct that no remote is included as the listing says "NO remote, cables, or manual." That is an easy fix as you can pick up a brand-new Dish 20.1 learning remote on eBay for $7.25 with free shipping included (eBay item number 280784044482). As has been discussed on this thread, that remote is essentially an exact replacement for the original Dish/Channel Master remote.
post #17358 of 18096
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Originally Posted by joecass View Post

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Channel-Master-CM-7000PAL-DVR-Dual-Tuner-Antenna-DVR-for-parts-not-working-/141031519690?pt=US_DVRs_Hard_Drive_Recorders&hash=item20d62235ca Antenna Logic is selling used, non working CM7400 units for $50 plus shipping. Remote not included. Is is worth it ??

This is the post I recalled seeing a few weeks ago, but it seems the post wasn't in this particular thread.
post #17359 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

If anyone has a need for parts (or is otherwise interested) there is a seller (antennalogic) on eBay selling non-working Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVRs for $50 each (plus shipping) or two for $90 (plus shipping). The eBay item number for the single unit is 141031519690 and the item number for two units is 141031524275. It says that there are "more than 10 available."

NOTE: On the antennalogic.com website the price for the single non-working unit is $45 (plus shipping) and $80 (plus shipping) for two units.

At a minimum, it sounds like a cheap way to pick up a couple of 250 GB HDDs. The hardest work is opening the Pal cases to get to them (plus maybe the HDParm silliness) wink.gif

Unless, of course, the problem with one is the HDD; but in that case just swap the drives and you have a working Pal for $80 plus shipping biggrin.gif
post #17360 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

At a minimum, it sounds like a cheap way to pick up a couple of 250 GB HDDs.....

Unless, of course, the problem with one is the HDD; but in that case just swap the drives and you have a working Pal for $80 plus shipping biggrin.gif

I agree with you. Considering they are non-working units they appear to be selling fairly briskly. Two days ago each eBay listing stated that there were "more than 10 available." Now the single-unit listing says 5 available and the two-unit listing says 6 available.

One interesting observation is that the single-unit eBay listing offers a 2-year SquareTrade warranty for $16.49 and the two-unit eBay listing offers a 2-year SquareTrade warranty for $23.99. It's interesting that you can purchase a warranty for a non-working unit! eek.gif
post #17361 of 18096
I have two DTVPal DVR units in working order. I am considering selling both units. Excellent condition for the units, but the remotes have some text worn off, which is normal wear and tear. What are these selling for these days? Thanks!
post #17362 of 18096
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Originally Posted by jerrisn View Post

I have two DTVPal DVR units in working order. I am considering selling both units. Excellent condition for the units, but the remotes have some text worn off, which is normal wear and tear. What are these selling for these days? Thanks!

I sold mine for $295 a few weeks back.
post #17363 of 18096
it would be more appropriate to take the matter to PM
post #17364 of 18096
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Originally Posted by jerrisn View Post

.....What are these selling for these days?.....

I would recommend that you keep an eye on Craigslist and eBay to get an idea of what the OTA DVR resale market is like these days. FYI a Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR just sold on eBay this afternoon for $338 plus shipping with 14 bids placed (eBay item number 261268968835).

If you are going to sell you might do better now before the new Channel Master K77 OTA DVR is released. The price of the new model, the features, the program guide and how the unit actually performs could all affect the resale value (up or down) of the older Dish DTVPal DVR and the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR.
post #17365 of 18096
FYI: Anyone interested in an upgraded 1TB DTVpal DVR's? I've got one on Ebay now. I have another one just like it. I have 2 TIVO premiers so I won't be putting these back into service. Both have original remotes and work just like new.
post #17366 of 18096
Thanks. You might post your offer in the Classifieds forum also (if you haven't already) so more folks will know about it.
post #17367 of 18096
I've watched a few old Bogart and Steve McQueen movies from that new "Movies!" network that recently went on the air (7.2 subchannel here in Austin). I've seen a couple of strange things and I'm wondering whether they are unique to the Austin distribution channel (FOX) or are network-wide.

1) Every few minutes there will be audio drops that come and go quickly for a few seconds. It sounds exactly like the audio drops that they use to edit out offensive language, but they're also occurring when there is no dialog to edit out. Here's the strange part, if I hit the "10 sec back" button immediately after one of these audio drops, that portion of the movie will repeat without any audio drops! I have never watched this channel "live" for any length of time so I can't say whether these audio drops are present either "live streaming" through the DVR or while tuned directly by the TV tuner.

2) Much less frequently (once per movie if at all), the video will drop out for about one second, replaced by a blue screen with white text in the center that says something to the effect of "Alarm - No Video Lock" or something like that. These events are so rare and so brief I've never bothered to "skip back" and verify that they are indeed part of the recording.

I've never seen either of these glitches on any other channel. I'm just wondering if any other DTVPal DVR users are seeing these symptoms either here in Austin on 7.2 or elsewhere around the country on other carriers of this "Movies!" network. Thanks for any replies.
post #17368 of 18096

As soon as you mentioned Fox, it reminded me of the many audio dropouts and video artifacts in my SE area of the country... Fox seems to have a raft of problems learning this digital broadcast game... and they're on a team of ONE here.

post #17369 of 18096
I would make immediate test: I'll disconnect HDD and watch/listen the channel 7.2 for that amount of time what is enough to cover the glitches you discovered.
post #17370 of 18096
Your first issue sounds like Known Issue #12. Not quite the same, but both seem to be audio decoding errors. Clearly, the audio is being received OK, since it's in the recording. Oh well, at least you have a fairly easy workaround with the Skip Back button.

I've also seen something remotely similar on channel 47.4 in DFW. Occasionally, on a scene with lots of motion, the audio and video will both freeze for several seconds. This happens on both the Pal and my PC. It's as if the MPEG-2 decoder gets overwhelmed and can't keep up! I suspect the station isn't sending out enough I-frames, probably in an attempt to keep the bandwidth down.

I have no idea what issue #2 can be. I've never seen the Pal show a "blue screen," so I suspect that one's part of the broadcast, and the station would have to fix it.

Someone else reported another audio issue recently, and it too was a Fox station. I wonder if Fox stations are upgrading some of their DTV equipment? Here in DFW, Fox-owned My 27 added Movies! and had to dump Fox's "splicer" (it was their third subchannel) although to be fair, they may have dumped the splicer earlier and I'd never have known until they started up Movies!
Edited by JHBrandt - 9/1/13 at 7:59pm
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