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post #17431 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Is a power failure the same as a reboot?
Yes, if the power is off long enough to cause the DVR to restart.
post #17432 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Chuck44 View Post

Also, remember that if you do reboot, always reboot a second time to lock the clock to PSIP time.
After I do a factory reset or even just a reboot the clock comes up with the correct time. I have never done two reboots and have never had a clock problem once TVGOS went away so I guess it depends on the local stations. My DVR is unplugged right now so I can't say what the reported variances are.
post #17433 of 18096
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

After I do a factory reset or even just a reboot the clock comes up with the correct time.
Yes, it does. But after that it will gain 8 seconds per day if you don't do a second reboot.
This has been discussed in detail earlier in this thread.
(And until it was I didn't know about the second reboot either.)
post #17434 of 18096
I'm still getting TVGOS time from WRAL in Raleigh.
post #17435 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

I'm still getting TVGOS time from WRAL in Raleigh.
Wow. Count yourself lucky!
post #17436 of 18096
WRAL must not have returned their TVGOS equipment. Maybe they told Rovi someone broke in and stole it! I guess we just blew their cover wink.gif

Anyway, the only problem I remember with having TVGOS time, but not TVGOS, was that the EPG wouldn't always stay updated for the stations formerly covered by TVGOS. But not everyone ran into that problem. Hopefully you're one of the lucky ones.
post #17437 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

WRAL must not have returned their TVGOS equipment. Maybe they told Rovi someone broke in and stole it! I guess we just blew their cover wink.gif

Anyway, the only problem I remember with having TVGOS time, but not TVGOS, was that the EPG wouldn't always stay updated for the stations formerly covered by TVGOS. But not everyone ran into that problem. Hopefully you're one of the lucky ones.
You could disable TVGOS in the options menu, and still have the time set by TVGOS if its being broadcast.
post #17438 of 18096
It's only the time that is being sent - not any program info (sigh)....
post #17439 of 18096
My point was that I don't see any clock drift that affects my recordings.
post #17440 of 18096
Same here. 2 Pals and never clock drift or any other clock issues.

Just fired both of mine up yesterday since there were put in summer recess mode since May. So far they have worked flawlessly. In fact I was amazed at how the EPG was populated so much better. Every station was loaded with programming in the EPG as soon as I turned the TV and PAL on.
post #17441 of 18096
In case anyone is interested, upgrading my drive solved my issue. Details are on the CM7000 forum... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1251820/channel-master-cm-7000pal-hd-dvr-aka-dish-dtvpal/630#post_23755617
post #17442 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

I'm still getting TVGOS time from WRAL in Raleigh.

Can you tell me why you think you're getting TVGOS from WRAL? I'm curious because WRAL is local to me. How much PSIP data do you see from WRAL? Do you also get WTVD? If yes, how much PSIP data to you see from WTVD.
post #17443 of 18096
Zero Guide info. All stations (including WRAL /WRAZ) send PSIP. However - when you run the setup - the DVR says it acquired time from TVGOS. I know for a fact that the clocks on my DVRs DO NOT drift. The Big4 stations in Raleigh (WRAL, WRAZ, WTVD and WNCN) all send about 12 hours of PSIP guide info. The other stations send more, with WUNC sending the most (when I can receive their signal).
post #17444 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Scooper View Post

Zero Guide info. All stations (including WRAL /WRAZ) send PSIP. However - when you run the setup - the DVR says it acquired time from TVGOS. I know for a fact that the clocks on my DVRs DO NOT drift. The Big4 stations in Raleigh (WRAL, WRAZ, WTVD and WNCN) all send about 12 hours of PSIP guide info. The other stations send more, with WUNC sending the most (when I can receive their signal).

Are you sure WTVD does not send closer to 24? My DTVPal is off and I don't want to turn it on to check. I'd exchanged email with the engineer in charge and he obligingly bumped it up ... this was some months ago and I confirmed I was getting close to 24. The engineer from WRAL also promised to look into it ... guess he didn't do anything. I'll be happy to PM you his email if you'd like to email him. Perhaps more than one person bugging him may get it done. The engineer from WTVD was even open to having more than 24 hours of PSIP guide info. All it may take is a second person asking him.

The DTVPals in this area do drift similar to what others have reported. I can confirm from personal experience and from having sold one to someone locally who told me about it. However, doing the double reboot fixes it as others have reported. I'll need to check my TVGOS setting the next time I power it up - I may have jumped on the lets set it to all zeroes bandwagon once we lost the TVGOS guide data (in which case it obviously wouldn't lock on to WRAL's TVGOS) and therefore experienced drift on my and the sold DVR. The next time I turn it on I'll do a factory reset and check out the TVGOS setting and let the machine run for a few days to see what the drift is like.
post #17445 of 18096
Ok - I just got home and checked my guide -
WRAL/ WNCN go out 12 hours only
WRAZ / WTVD go out 24 hours
22 and 28 go out about 24 hours

I currently am not seeing WUNC/WUNP.
post #17446 of 18096
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Originally Posted by n8dawg23 View Post

In case anyone is interested, upgrading my drive solved my issue. Details are on the CM7000 forum... http://www.avsforum.com/t/1251820/channel-master-cm-7000pal-hd-dvr-aka-dish-dtvpal/630#post_23755617
Those symptoms sounded similar to what my Pal started doing just before it stopped working altogether, other than getting to a HDD Error warning. I had it almost full and I kept recording over and over on a small segment of the drive I guess and somehow it got messed up. Replaced and all OK. Glad to hear yours is OK now.
post #17447 of 18096
During a recording, I noticed I put 130 minutes recording (with 5 minutes paddings). I meant to manually enter 100 minutes (1 hour Marvel's Agents of SHIELD + 30 minutes Goldberg pilots + 5 minutes paddings). While editing the end time from 130 to 100, my original recording aborted and the new one was made. I did notice its times were weird (midnight, 00:00, etc.) during editing. I can't update the existing recording's end time? frown.gif
Edited by phildaant - 9/25/13 at 6:30am
post #17448 of 18096
First of all 60 plus 30 equal 90 not 100!biggrin.gif
post #17449 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

First of all 60 plus 30 equal 90 not 100!biggrin.gif
Sorry, I forgot to mention 5 minutes padding before and after the times.
post #17450 of 18096
Wow! 10 minutes of padding must mean you have some serious clock issues! I have been safely using 2 minutes on either end.
post #17451 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Wow! 10 minutes of padding must mean you have some serious clock issues! I have been safely using 2 minutes on either end.
Well, some foreign stations don't even follow close to the times. Some English popular stations like to end shows minutes later (e.g., 9:01 PM)/earlier. Ugh!
post #17452 of 18096
Yes I have been annoyed by the stations ending or starting at those odd times. I think they do it to spite us folks recording the shows!
post #17453 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Yes I have been annoyed by the stations ending or starting at those odd times. I think they do it to spite us folks recording the shows!
They do that on purpose. Hence why the huge paddings. frown.gif
post #17454 of 18096
Mine has been off 1minute 45 seconds late for awhile, today it was an hour + back. So my 11:00 recording didn't happen to 12:00. Just did a few days ago a factory reset and 2x power hold and still time was off then 1 min 45 sec. I was going to wait awhile and see if things corrected since 2 stations CBS and NBC are for sale and I know present owners are probably not putting any money in for repairs. I don't know what you can do when the PSIP time is off and no program descriptions on some when you don't know which station or stations are sending the wrong time. I suppose you could contact the FCC and hope they try to find out who is at fault.
post #17455 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

They do that on purpose. Hence why the huge paddings. frown.gif

It wouldn't be so bad if the purpose was to force you to pad, but that's sadly not why they do it. It's to create scheduling conflicts that you can't resolve when you want to record back-to-back shows on different networks. If one network runs a minute over and the other doesn't, unless you have extra tuners, they do it to stop you from recording shows on competing networks without either missing the end of one show or the beginning of another. Their hope seems to be that if they can frustrate DVR users enough, they can force them to watch live, as ineffectual a strategy as that might be.
post #17456 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

... but that's sadly not why they do it. It's to create scheduling conflicts ...e.
Even if you are just a watcher (no DVR) it still serves to make it inconvenient to change the channel to another network.
post #17457 of 18096
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

Even if you are just a watcher (no DVR) it still serves to make it inconvenient to change the channel to another network.

I also have Dish Satellite and the cable channels on it have the same problem. Need some government regulation, but the new quite act doesn't work all that well either because they found ways around it by switching to stereo or PCM audio.
post #17458 of 18096
Can the DTVPal record 2 different shows on 2 different channels at the same time? I would like to record both Blacklist and Hostages tonight. I have this box but have not often used it for DVR purposes very much.
post #17459 of 18096
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

Can the DTVPal record 2 different shows on 2 different channels at the same time? I would like to record both Blacklist and Hostages tonight. I have this box but have not often used it for DVR purposes very much.
Yes, it has two HDTV tuners.
post #17460 of 18096
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

Yes, it has two HDTV tuners.
Good. That's what I thought.
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