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post #17611 of 18096
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

My Pal is still 2minutes and 45 seconds slow, even after a double reboot. One station (cbs affilate) doesn't even have the programs in the correct time slot. I might just delete them to see if they are the one with the incorrect time. They used to be the TVGOS provider. They were just sold to Sinclair broadcasting but so far no indications on web site. Last night they didn't even show the correct Mentalist, So I hope this was a cbs error, since it was supposed to be new. These stations have a complete disregaurd fo FCC regulations.

You might want to do a factory reset and then do the double reboot. My clock was running about one minute FAST yesterday and I had lost a Mon-Fri timer after the DST change so I decided to do a factory reset to clear out any "cobwebs" that had accumulated over time. After I did the factory reset my clock was then one minute SLOW. I then did two back-to-back soft reboots and then my clock was only ten seconds slow, which is much better. So I guess the point is if you do a factory reset apparently you still need to do the two back-to-back soft reboots to get a time lock to the weighted mean of your local PSIP times.

One other thing I noticed before my factory reset was that I had a total of 38 elements in my diagnostics list. Right after the factory reset I had only 20. I'm wondering if all of those distant stations that only come in during tropo weather conditions contribute to your clock time drifting further and further away from the "actual" time. Those distant stations that are very rarely received cannot have their times updated regularly (or at all) so I wonder if they keep affecting the weighted mean of the PSIP times until you clear them out of memory. confused.gif
post #17612 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

You might want to do a factory reset and then do the double reboot. My clock was running about one minute FAST yesterday and I had lost a Mon-Fri timer after the DST change so I decided to do a factory reset to clear out any "cobwebs" that had accumulated over time. After I did the factory reset my clock was then one minute SLOW. I then did two back-to-back soft reboots and then my clock was only ten seconds slow, which is much better. So I guess the point is if you do a factory reset apparently you still need to do the two back-to-back soft reboots to get a time lock to the weighted mean of your local PSIP times.

One other thing I noticed before my factory reset was that I had a total of 38 elements in my diagnostics list. Right after the factory reset I had only 20. I'm wondering if all of those distant stations that only come in during tropo weather conditions contribute to your clock time drifting further and further away from the "actual" time. Those distant stations that are very rarely received cannot have their times updated regularly (or at all) so I wonder if they keep affecting the weighted mean of the PSIP times until you clear them out of memory. confused.gif

I will try the FR and 2xreboot.
post #17613 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

One other thing I noticed before my factory reset was that I had a total of 38 elements in my diagnostics list. Right after the factory reset I had only 20. I'm wondering if all of those distant stations that only come in during tropo weather conditions contribute to your clock time drifting further and further away from the "actual" time. Those distant stations that are very rarely received cannot have their times updated regularly (or at all) so I wonder if they keep affecting the weighted mean of the PSIP times until you clear them out of memory. confused.gif
I totally agree with this. It has been my observation too.
post #17614 of 18096
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

Discovered one more small caveat on daisy-chaining another device in front of a Pal. The Homeworx receiver/recorder isn't a "pure" pass-through..
I Was just on Amazon looking for to see if a DTV tuner with HDMI output exists, and saw the HomeWorx HW-150PVR for the first time, came to AVS to see if anyone had a thread going about it and what exactly it is, and now you mention it!

There's a thread for the Homeworx here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482341/homeworx-hw-150pvr-support-and-discussion/0_20 I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Pal, it's more of a DTV receiver with limited DVR and media player capabilities. But it makes a good, inexpensive "add-on" if you occasionally need to record a third show while your Pal is recording two others.

The same box is sold under a couple other brands, with different firmware and remotes. One of the other brands is the iView. I think LenL has one daisy-chained in front of his Pal.
post #17615 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

The eBay seller has now raised the price of the DTVPal DVR from $749.99 to $799.99! eek.gif

Someone would have to be fairly dumb and uninformed to pay that much money for it. Especially when for that kind of money you could buy a brand new Tivo Roamio basic with 4 tuners for OTA for $200, put a 3tb drive in it for about $135, and get a lifetime sub for it for $500. And total for all that, would only be roughly $35 more than what he is now asking for a used DTVPal with a 1tb drive.
post #17616 of 18096
There is likely no shortage of dumb and uninformed eBay buyers. I've heard of people selling air guitars on eBay, after all.
post #17617 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

There's a thread for the Homeworx here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482341/homeworx-hw-150pvr-support-and-discussion/0_20 I wouldn't put it in the same category as the Pal, it's more of a DTV receiver with limited DVR and media player capabilities. But it makes a good, inexpensive "add-on" if you occasionally need to record a third show while your Pal is recording two others.

The same box is sold under a couple other brands, with different firmware and remotes. One of the other brands is the iView. I think LenL has one daisy-chained in front of his Pal.

Close but NO cigar JH.

I have 2 PALDVRS in my family room. I had previously split the antenna feed 3 ways. One to feed my TV and the other 2 splits each feeding my PALDVRS. I changed that arrangement thanks to the experts on this forum. I now just have 2 splits of the antenna with each feeding a PALDVR. I then feed the TV from one of the PALDVRS. That is working perfectly for me.

I do have 2 IVIEW 3500s that I use on the second floor of my house as summer replacements for the PALDVRS when they go on vacation from April/May to September. I also keep the IVIEWs for when the PALs die or need repair and they are out of service which did happen with one of my PAls earlier this year. Thanks to PSMITH that PALDVR is now back in service.
post #17618 of 18096
This may be off topic but what are the options when the antenna signal becomes so strong that is overloads the tuner and the reception is lost for a station?
post #17619 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

There is likely no shortage of dumb and uninformed eBay buyers. I've heard of people selling air guitars on eBay, after all.

There are also dumb sellers who list stuff at prices that will never work. If you are active on Ebay and put "watches" on items you will find many sellers are NOT successful. A PALDVR will sell at the price the market deems appropriate.
post #17620 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Paul210 View Post

Wow! I just resurrected what I thought was a dead Pal. The beast lives! For those of you who didn't read my previous post from a few days ago, my dvr kept rebooting every couple minutes and was unresponsive to the remote. Every time it would reboot, it would exhibit different behavior--sometimes no picture, sometimes picture with no sound, etc. I tried disconnecting the HD but then it came up with a different error and was still not responding to the remote. I just installed a new HD and it came back to life, but not without some coaxing. It took three reboots, the last one without the antenna connected (which I tried before replacing the drive), before it would let me in to where I could reset everything to factory defaults. This sounds to me like a combination of things and not just a bad drive. Coincidence? I don't know, but it's working and I'm not brave enough to open it back up to test with the old drive. Needless to say, I'm a happy camper right now!

Thanks for this. One of my 2 Pals is acting in a very similar manner. I guess I'll have to try replacing the HD. What HD did you use?
post #17621 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

This may be off topic but what are the options when the antenna signal becomes so strong that is overloads the tuner and the reception is lost for a station?
Insert an attenuator.

BTW both of my 'Pals seem to have made it through CDT to CST change, no problems. Both are about 15 sec ahead which is fine.
post #17622 of 18096
dupe
post #17623 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

You might want to do a factory reset and then do the double reboot. My clock was running about one minute FAST yesterday and I had lost a Mon-Fri timer after the DST change so I decided to do a factory reset to clear out any "cobwebs" that had accumulated over time. After I did the factory reset my clock was then one minute SLOW. I then did two back-to-back soft reboots and then my clock was only ten seconds slow, which is much better. So I guess the point is if you do a factory reset apparently you still need to do the two back-to-back soft reboots to get a time lock to the weighted mean of your local PSIP times.

One other thing I noticed before my factory reset was that I had a total of 38 elements in my diagnostics list. Right after the factory reset I had only 20. I'm wondering if all of those distant stations that only come in during tropo weather conditions contribute to your clock time drifting further and further away from the "actual" time. Those distant stations that are very rarely received cannot have their times updated regularly (or at all) so I wonder if they keep affecting the weighted mean of the PSIP times until you clear them out of memory. confused.gif

Didn't work, Still 2 minutes slow this morning.
post #17624 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

The eBay seller has now raised the price of the DTVPal DVR from $749.99 to $799.99! eek.gif
I love the PAL but at that price for an unsupported device without TVGOS we are talking a nice HTPC with a BluRay burner or a 4 tuner TiVo with lifetime subscription. To quote Mr T "I pity the fool".
Edited by WillN937 - 11/5/13 at 9:52am
post #17625 of 18096
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

Didn't work, Still 2 minutes slow this morning.
You have two options:

1. Set the "START EARLY" default to 2 to 3 minutes
2. Go to the diagnostic screens (MENU-3-2-6) and figure out which stations are causing the problem
post #17626 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Paul210 View Post

Wow! I just resurrected what I thought was a dead Pal. The beast lives! For those of you who didn't read my previous post from a few days ago, my dvr kept rebooting every couple minutes and was unresponsive to the remote. Every time it would reboot, it would exhibit different behavior--sometimes no picture, sometimes picture with no sound, etc. I tried disconnecting the HD but then it came up with a different error and was still not responding to the remote. I just installed a new HD and it came back to life, but not without some coaxing. It took three reboots, the last one without the antenna connected (which I tried before replacing the drive), before it would let me in to where I could reset everything to factory defaults. This sounds to me like a combination of things and not just a bad drive. Coincidence? I don't know, but it's working and I'm not brave enough to open it back up to test with the old drive. Needless to say, I'm a happy camper right now!
Does sound like an unlucky combination of issues: perhaps the corrupt timer reboot loop together with a bad HDD, so you had to fix the HDD first, then disconnect the antenna to get out of the reboot loop. Glad you got it working.
post #17627 of 18096
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Originally Posted by ed_in_tx View Post

dupe
I've been having duplicate post issues myself on AVSForum lately. For me it's only an issue when I use Firefox. Luckily, using the Preview function avoids it (but I have to remember to Preview every time) redface.gif
post #17628 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

You have two options:

1. Set the "START EARLY" default to 2 to 3 minutes
2. Go to the diagnostic screens (MENU-3-2-6) and figure out which stations are causing the problem

I also had the ~two minute late problem. When I went to my Diagnostics screen, I noticed I had MANY more listings of stations than I should have. In other words, I had info from stations that had only been seen by "skip" atmospheric conditions. My solution--I went back to the "Install Wizard" and had it do a rescan for stations. Voila--that solved the problem. My time/clock is exactly where it is supposed to be now. And, no extra stations are showing in my diagnostics listing. Hope this is of some help.
post #17629 of 18096
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Originally Posted by homer86 View Post

Thanks for this. One of my 2 Pals is acting in a very similar manner. I guess I'll have to try replacing the HD. What HD did you use?

Homer, I used a drive I've seen others use on here, a Western Digital WD10EURX. It works just fine so far.
post #17630 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

This may be off topic but what are the options when the antenna signal becomes so strong that is overloads the tuner and the reception is lost for a station?
You may need some help with this but a step beyond the attenuator suggested elsewhere you could set up a system of band pass filters and attenuators to allow the weak signals to be full strength while attenuating the strong ones. Much depends on how close the RF channels are to each other.
post #17631 of 18096
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I've been having duplicate post issues myself on AVSForum lately. For me it's only an issue when I use Firefox. Luckily, using the Preview function avoids it (but I have to remember to Preview every time) redface.gif

I will try that and see if it works.

a moment later....

Looks like Preview first somehow keeps it from posting 4 times.

I tried the X to delete, but doing that would delete every post first one and the duplicates. Weird. Only forum I've seen a problem like this.
post #17632 of 18096
I've posted my DTVPal for sale in the classifieds section (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1498233/dtvpal-dvr) for $199. I hope it can find a good home with someone on this forum.
post #17633 of 18096
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Originally Posted by homer86 View Post

Thanks for this. One of my 2 Pals is acting in a very similar manner. I guess I'll have to try replacing the HD. What HD did you use?

I don't think this has anything to do with the disk drive. The first thing I did when I had the problem was put the original disk drive back in the PAL; it didn't make any difference. The key step is to stop the normal boot by inducing an error condition so the box will respond to the remote, then you can reset to factory defaults. I finally disconnected both the antenna and the disk drive, but still had to reboot twice to get there. After I got it going I then tried both disk drives and they both work. The whole problem is yet another case of bad software.
post #17634 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

You have two options:

1. Set the "START EARLY" default to 2 to 3 minutes
2. Go to the diagnostic screens (MENU-3-2-6) and figure out which stations are causing the problem

How do I decipher what all that stuff means?
post #17635 of 18096
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

How do I decipher what all that stuff means?
check a few pages back, it has been revealed here in a few posts
post #17636 of 18096
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

How do I decipher what all that stuff means?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1099071/the-official-avs-dish-dtvpal-dvr-topic/17550#post_23864276
post #17637 of 18096
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Originally Posted by rahanner View Post

I don't think this has anything to do with the disk drive. The first thing I did when I had the problem was put the original disk drive back in the PAL; it didn't make any difference. The key step is to stop the normal boot by inducing an error condition so the box will respond to the remote, then you can reset to factory defaults. I finally disconnected both the antenna and the disk drive, but still had to reboot twice to get there. After I got it going I then tried both disk drives and they both work. The whole problem is yet another case of bad software.

Thank you. I will give this a try when I get a chance and report back.
post #17638 of 18096

Thanks pete for the link. How do I know what actual station ie call letters the number in TSID refers to?
post #17639 of 18096
google rabbit ears tsid
post #17640 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

google rabbit ears tsid

Thanks Pete. I have PSIP (5) elements 16. I have 5 stations and 1 sub

All stations are off. The closest is 30 seconds slow.

2821 +203
2823 -144
2825 +117 the 30 second one
2827 +106
2829 +285

Really hard to watch since it keeps going back the the first page every few seconds.
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