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post #8191 of 18096
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Originally Posted by sunnyG1455 View Post

Does anyone know how to extract recorded shows to PC?

video out of the unit to the video in of your PC video capture card. (I haven't seen a video capture card with HD in, so don't expect any HD recordings). Playback in real-time.
post #8192 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

I have noticed several changes within my TVGOS listing over the last two weeks in my S. Cal. market area. First, I noticed that my ABC station (Ch. 7) which has been reportedly our TVGuide carrier started to list their programming in 'all caps', with a recent discovery that this channel is only listed with 9 hours of data at a time. Yet I still have the TVGuide red logo and several days of programming listing of the other channels.

Does anyone know if ABC has given up being the TVGOS carrier - hence only 9 hours of programming and in 'all caps', and some other station has this contracted job?

Donald1800

FYI, a member of the Sony DVR group got a reply from ROVI that they are aware of the ABC affilliate TVGOS listings loss and are in the process of correcting the problem: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post17732740. It's not a function of who delivers your TVGOS, it's a function of the TVGOS data itself, which originates with MacROVIsion.

Since they're in a cooperative mood, once they fix this, we should ping them on why certain stations in various markets that have TVGOS listings generally available to other TVGOS-enabled equipment, do not populate on the DTVPal.

The ALL CAPS thing is apparently the way some ABC affiliates are sending out their PSIP guide info - like an ASR-33 teletype
post #8193 of 18096
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

I have never gotten it but after reading the dvrpal faq at the beginning of this forum I see I should not use the zipcodes supplied in the manual but the zip code for the station sending the TVGOS data. So far I have been using the zip code in the manual 00001 or my house zip with no luck.

So does anyone know where I can get the zip code for CBS New York? Also would one use the zip code where the transmitters are located which in my case is the Empire State Building? Or does one use the zip codes where the office or something else is?

I use 10001 which is/was the main post office on 34th st and 8th avenue, 3 blocks over.
post #8194 of 18096
nearly 30 hours since I reset and still no TVGOS!!!
post #8195 of 18096
Thanks Jim.

Now I have to figure out how to get it back on my machine!

Bill
post #8196 of 18096
Sorry to thread crap a little bit but as a previous owner of two DTVPal DVRs I think this is very pertinent.

Dumping the Pal DVRs and buying two TiVoHD units was the best thing I've done for recording TV in years.

Yes it is more money, considerably more, but can you really accept the lackluster, at best, performance of the Pal DVR at $300.00 vs. the TiVoHD at $650.00 (w/ lifetime service) that works every time (yes they can goof up but in comparison "works every time" truly fits)?

With TiVo you can program to record online, has name based recording, actually helpful tech support, Netflix streaming, other streaming features such as Rhapsody, and if you have two TiVos on the same network you can transfer programs between them.
post #8197 of 18096
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Originally Posted by akbungle View Post

Sorry to thread crap a little bit but as a previous owner of two DTVPal DVRs I think this is very pertinent.

Dumping the Pal DVRs and buying two TiVoHD units was the best thing I've done for recording TV in years.

Yes it is more money, considerably more, but can you really accept the lackluster, at best, performance of the Pal DVR at $300.00 vs. the TiVoHD at $650.00 (w/ lifetime service) that works every time (yes they can goof up but in comparison "works every time" truly fits)?

With TiVo you can program to record online, has name based recording, actually helpful tech support, Netflix streaming, other streaming features such as Rhapsody, and if you have two TiVos on the same network you can transfer programs between them.

As has been mentioned several times by myself and others, it depends entirely on your tolerance level and your interpretation of the price/performance value equation. For a great many people here the price/performance of the Pal DVR fits their bill exactly and they report they are happy. There have been several posters like yourself who gave the PalDVR an honest shot, but then reached the limit of their tolerance and jumped ship to TiVo. Although I went to TiVo back in February for our main display, I continue to participate in this thread because I have several less-frequently used TV's in the house that the Pal DVR would be perfect for, at it's current price. I'm just waiting for the bugs in digital TVGOS to be worked out and an improvement in recording reliability -- to meet my level of tolerance.
post #8198 of 18096
an improvement in recording reliability

What's the current issue about recording reliability? I haven't followed the thread closely, but haven't missed a single recording since firmware F208 update.

Added:

Oh, is it the lack of name-based recording?

That is: Is the issue that the DTVPal DVR doesn't record as it's programmed to -- or that the lack of name-based recording means you'll miss your favorite show when it moves to a different time?
post #8199 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wildwillie6 View Post

an improvement in recording reliability

What's the current issue about recording reliability? I haven't followed the thread closely, but haven't missed a single recording since firmware F208 update.

Added:

Oh, is it the lack of name-based recording?

That is: Is the issue that the DTVPal DVR doesn't record as it's programmed to -- or that the lack of name-based recording means you'll miss your favorite show when it moves to a different time?

unfortunately, ive missed recordings even when the shows havent changed times - for some reason, my dtvpal hates nbc on thursdays - it just doesnt want to record the office and 30 rock - no matter what i do (ive managed to record 2 episodes of the office and one of 30 rock)

this is not a dst issue (as ive already had to edit every single one of my timers because the dtvpal couldnt handle the switch)

bottom line - my girlfriend had to come home every day and check to make sure all of the timers were set correctly - and even then, we held our breath when showtimes approached ("is the red light going to go on? i hope so!")

i bought my unit with f208 already installed

i activated my tivohd service last weekend (definitely more expensive when you factor in the yearly charges - but the thing hasnt missed a beat)
post #8200 of 18096
Thanks, that's good to know. (Didn't realize all that was still going on; would jump to TiVo myself if this box were frustrating me now.)
post #8201 of 18096
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Originally Posted by bernieoc View Post

Sears is back 'In Stock' - same price

Oh, wait! It's cheaper now....by one dollar...

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10...Name=&x=21&y=7
post #8202 of 18096
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Originally Posted by tom.green@iwon.com View Post

Oh, wait! It's cheaper now....by one dollar...

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10...Name=&x=21&y=7

You can save $25 on a purchase of $300 or more at Sears.com if you use your Visa card for payment and enter through this link: http://usa.visa.com/personal/discoun...202&pageId=197 The offer is valid until 01/31/2010.
post #8203 of 18096
Found out why no TVGOS. Our local CBS station owner went bankrupt, 3rd one in a year, and the local NBC station has taken over their operations and moving everything to their location. So when it is back we will see if ABC is also working.
post #8204 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

You can save $25 on a purchase of $300 or more at Sears.com if you use your Visa card for payment and enter through this link: http://usa.visa.com/personal/discoun...202&pageId=197 The offer is valid until 01/31/2010.

Looks like you didn't read the 'Terms & Conditions' which clearly state this offer doesn't include... "electronics, entertainment" items.
post #8205 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Guitar Hero View Post

Looks like you didn't read the 'Terms & Conditions' which clearly state this offer doesn't include... "electronics, entertainment" items.

Nice catch! A friend of mine forwarded the offer to me and I didn't pick up on the "electronics" exclusion. It's funny because in the second paragraph on the Visa offer page they state that Sears is a leading retailer in electronics but then exclude "electronics" from the offer!

Not to worry though as there is another cashback offer out there that will save you about the same amount of money. If you go to https://cashbackaccount.bing.com/cashback/welcome.aspx and set up a Bing cashback account (if you don't have one already), you will get 8% cashback on your entire Sears purchase when you enter Sears through Bing. In this case that will be $24 cashback on a $300 purchase. It's not a lot of money but if you are going to buy the DTVPal DVR anyway, you may as well get the 8% cashback from Bing.
post #8206 of 18096
I just got an email from our local CBS affiliate engineer. Here was his response to my lack of TVGOS:

"Bill
I had a report of a similar problem and when I called the vendor who supplies the data told me this:

CBS Affiliates across the country are now the only signal source for the TV guide information. We installed the equipment from the vendor and they control and monitor the information. I would guess you may need to contact Rovi to see if there is a compatibility issue with their signal and your equipment."

I believe him. It sounds like I may need to call ROVI directly.

Bill
post #8207 of 18096
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Originally Posted by willscary View Post

I just got an email from our local CBS affiliate engineer. Here was his response to my lack of TVGOS:

"Bill
I had a report of a similar problem and when I called the vendor who supplies the data told me this:

CBS Affiliates across the country are now the only signal source for the TV guide information. We installed the equipment from the vendor and they control and monitor the information. I would guess you may need to contact Rovi to see if there is a compatibility issue with their signal and your equipment."

I believe him. It sounds like I may need to call ROVI directly.

Bill

Sounds like he is passing the buck to me. When I contacted my CBS station when they turned on the TVGOS data in my area, they were very interested in knowing if the data was coming through and which type of equipment I had.
post #8208 of 18096
I don't know. It worked perfectly from the day I got it until about 10 days ago. He said they were given new equipment with a new data stream or something like that. He said they were down for a few days but were now up and working again.

I will call Rovi when I can.

Bill
post #8209 of 18096
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Off topic here, I see your in Toronto. What info do you get for thye Canadian stations? Are they on TVGOS or PSIP?

PSIP, although the TVGOS data stream has Canadian Stations - the dtvpal just won't populate them into the guide (but Sony TVs with TVGOS handle it ok )


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Dumping the Pal DVRs and buying two TiVoHD units was the best thing I've done for recording TV in years.

I'm coming to the same conclusion. I expect to be jumping soon unless some miraculous firmware improvement/ROVI improvement happens. I'd rather pay more money and have something that works properly.

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Since they're in a cooperative mood, once they fix this, we should ping them on why certain stations in various markets that have TVGOS listings generally available to other TVGOS-enabled equipment, do not populate on the DTVPal.

Someone actually spoke to someone at ROVI? Maybe there is some slim hope for this thing.
post #8210 of 18096
I checked my TVGOS guide listings this morning on both of my DTVPal DVRs (one F201 and one F208) and I have gotten back full ABC listings for WCVB channel 5.1 in Boston, MA on both. The TVGOS listings go out through 12/25. This happened on the overnight as I checked this last evening on both DVRs and all I had at that time was PSIP data for that same ABC station.
post #8211 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

I checked my TVGOS guide listings this morning on both of my DTVPal DVRs (one F201 and one F208) and I have gotten back full ABC listings for WCVB channel 5.1 in Boston, MA on both. The TVGOS listings go out through 12/25. This happened on the overnight as I checked this last evening on both DVRs and all I had at that time was PSIP data for that same ABC station.

Hey! Same here (Springfield, Missouri area).
post #8212 of 18096
Roanokr VA - ABC TVGOS listing back to 7 days
Bernieoc
post #8213 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

I checked my TVGOS guide listings this morning on both of my DTVPal DVRs (one F201 and one F208) and I have gotten back full ABC listings for WCVB channel 5.1 in Boston, MA on both. The TVGOS listings go out through 12/25. This happened on the overnight as I checked this last evening on both DVRs and all I had at that time was PSIP data for that same ABC station.

TVGOS is working again for channel 8/ABC in Dallas again also. Wooohooo!
post #8214 of 18096
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Originally Posted by el gran chico View Post

I'd rather pay more money and have something that works properly.

Notwithstanding your definition of "works properly", this statement makes me wonder why you didn't get a TiVo in the first place. Regardless of the (expected) glitches, this unit works well enough (remember the bell curve distribution) to justify its much lower overall cost of operation which is just the up-front cost of this unit and not about double that plus subscription costs. Granted, it does not have all the bells and whistles that TiVo does but if performance and reliability had been more important than cost over basic functionality (including the OTA only limitation), I would have gone with TiVo!
post #8215 of 18096
Curiously, TVGOS listings for New Orleans' ABC affiliate have also returned, but there's something different from before. You can't see it on the Pal DVR's guide, but on my Sony TV, only the Station's call letters are displayed adjacent to the virtual channel assignments, instead of the Network + logo shown on the other major network affiliates' listings.

Conspiracy theorists might conclude some nefarious operatives found an attack vector they could embed into a network graphic to ultimately bring down the entire TVGOS operation. What's next--antivirus software for TVGOS-enabled devices!???

post #8216 of 18096
WABC NY also back with full TVGOS data.
post #8217 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Donald1800 View Post

I have noticed several changes within my TVGOS listing over the last two weeks in my S. Cal. market area. First, I noticed that my ABC station (Ch. 7) which has been reportedly our TVGuide carrier started to list their programming in 'all caps', with a recent discovery that this channel is only listed with 9 hours of data at a time. Yet I still have the TVGuide red logo and several days of programming listing of the other channels.

Does anyone know if ABC has given up being the TVGOS carrier - hence only 9 hours of programming and in 'all caps', and some other station has this contracted job?

Donald1800

I have TVGOS for ABC in the Dayton area as of today.
post #8218 of 18096
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Originally Posted by el gran chico View Post

Someone actually spoke to someone at ROVI? Maybe there is some slim hope for this thing.

If you email ROVI they WILL get back to you. It may take several weeks or more but they will give you an answer and it will be meaningful, not just a canned answer like you get from Dish. My experience is that they even follow up to make sure the problem is solved but again it takes a while.
post #8219 of 18096
With any luck my Fox TVGOS will be out 7 days, will have to check it when I get home! All this talk from all with the ABC issues resloved makes me hopefull!
post #8220 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

I checked my TVGOS guide listings this morning on both of my DTVPal DVRs (one F201 and one F208) and I have gotten back full ABC listings for WCVB channel 5.1 in Boston, MA on both. The TVGOS listings go out through 12/25. This happened on the overnight as I checked this last evening on both DVRs and all I had at that time was PSIP data for that same ABC station.

Same here in S. Cal. The "Fix/Changeover" appears to be simultaneous nation wide. Interesting.

Donald1800
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