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post #8581 of 18096
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Originally Posted by vmalhotra View Post

It does not make any sense, most of the IR remotes are just passive emittive devices. And if there were such an emission to render this remote ruined, it should do it with all, including the TV remote. That would annoy lot of couch potatos

Sorry, but it is nonsense.

And re-read post#1 problem #16. Thanks.
post #8582 of 18096
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Sorry, but it is nonsense.

And re-read post#1 problem #16. Thanks.

I did, and here is the key wording "Disable this option in your TV settings and remote response should return to normal."
So how does it RUIN the remote? Sorry if I misunderstood the context, but I stand by my statement that there is no way the sensor on the TV can ruin an IR remote permanently. At best it could be described as an IR interference from the TV display that mangles the IR signals from the remote.

At my home, if I turn on CF lamps, for initial few secs, until lamp fully warms up (about 15 seconds) my SONY TV refuses to acknowledge the remote commands.
post #8583 of 18096
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Originally Posted by vmalhotra View Post

I did, and here is the key wording "Disable this option in your TV settings and remote response should return to normal."
So how does it RUIN the remote? Sorry if I misunderstood the context, but I stand by my statement that there is no way the sensor on the TV can ruin an IR remote permanently. At best it could be described as an IR interference from the TV display that mangles the IR signals from the remote.

At my home, if I turn on CF lamps, for initial few secs, until lamp fully warms up (about 15 seconds) my SONY TV refuses to acknowledge the remote commands.

If you look at a few of P Smith's posts you'll quickly see that he's not a native speaker of English. I should have realized that this was the reason for his misuse of the word "ruin" and not read his post literally. For his benefit here is the applicable definition of the word "ruin" from Dictionary.com:

12. to injure (a thing) irretrievably.
post #8584 of 18096
I'd like the quote from same site: "Only in its figurative application is it apt to suggest the result of destruction from without: the ruin of her hopes."
post #8585 of 18096
I was at Sears today to buy a Torx driver set to open up my Brand New In Box Tivo S3 I received from FedEx today for its hardware upgrade, and noticed they had about a dozen of these DTVPals sitting in boxes collecting dust for just $299 each.
post #8586 of 18096
Greetings,
I want to give an update on the problem that I posted recently about my DTVPal that randomly rebooted and updated the TV Guide.

I was told by DTVPal's tech people to return the unit. I am in the process to do this. Since they don't exchange units under warranty, I had to purchase a new one, which I received last week. I ran the new one for several days, without disabling the Update feature, just to see what would happen. I went for about 4 days not seeing any of the random updating of the TV Guide. Then...it happened. While watching a show, the unit rebooted and the TV Guide downloaded. I do have the latest firmware.

So, I took the advice that was given to me in this Forum and disabled the Update feature. Then tonight at 10:45 pm...it happened again. In the middle of a show, the same thing happened.

At this point, I wonder what to do next. The DTVPal tech people have no clue. It is very annoying and obviously a defect somewhere in this unit. Any suggestions????
Gary
post #8587 of 18096
Bad signal, multipath, etc. The device OS doesn't handle well broken packets in stream.
Try better antenna.
post #8588 of 18096
Just now joined the forum and don't know very much about DVRs.
Are there more modern devices (possibly by other manufacturers) that have essentially the same capabilities as the DTVPal DVR but have more storage capacity and maybe more user friendly controls? Looking for OTA input only.
(If there are more appropriate forums for this question, appreciate learning their Web links)
Thanks,
Gerlad0
post #8589 of 18096
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gerlad0 View Post

Just now joined the forum and don't know very much about DVRs.
Are there more modern devices (possibly by other manufacturers) that have essentially the same capabilities as the DTVPal DVR but have more storage capacity and maybe more user friendly controls? Looking for OTA input only.

Did you see the HDTV DVR sticky at the top of the forum? That lists and compares the available choices.

The only obvious product that fits your description is the TivoHD or TivoHD XL.
post #8590 of 18096
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Originally Posted by otacool View Post

I am also one of the happy users. Count me in.

for posting.
post #8591 of 18096
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Originally Posted by webmasterbill2 View Post

So far so good for me.... Perhaps we need a poll?

That's an awesome idea and congrats, thanks for posting

post #8592 of 18096
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Originally Posted by sregener View Post

I'm experiencing problem #12 (Audio/Video Dropouts every 30-32 seconds) on one of my channels. Can anyone provide technical details that I could pass on to the engineers of that particular station so that this issue can be resolved? IOW, does anyone know what the PSIP settings are that cause this problem?

I'm guessing that this issue is with your ABC affiliate as amowagou suggests? I've traded emails with the engineer at my ABC affiliate (KVUE in Austin, TX) on this issue. He hooked up a DTVPal DVR that they have in-house and was unable to see the problem so no action was taken. The issue must be with the local affiliates rather than the ABC network feed because we only see reports from a few markets. I worked with the engineer at our PBS affiliate a couple years ago and they resolved a similar issue on a sub-channel by altering a specific parameter on their encoder.

If this is indeed a hardware issue at the local affiliate, I'm wondering why we don't see the problem reported from affiliates of other networks (not just ABC). One theory I have is that it has something to do with the up-conversion of the ABC network feed (720p) to the OTA broadcast signal in our market (1080i). If this is an ABC related issue in your market, can you confirm whether they also upconvert the OTA broadcast to 1080i? Any comments from people in other markets?
post #8593 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

Greetings,
I want to give an update on the problem that I posted recently about my DTVPal that randomly rebooted and updated the TV Guide.

I was told by DTVPal's tech people to return the unit. I am in the process to do this. Since they don't exchange units under warranty, I had to purchase a new one, which I received last week. I ran the new one for several days, without disabling the Update feature, just to see what would happen. I went for about 4 days not seeing any of the random updating of the TV Guide. Then...it happened. While watching a show, the unit rebooted and the TV Guide downloaded. I do have the latest firmware.

So, I took the advice that was given to me in this Forum and disabled the Update feature. Then tonight at 10:45 pm...it happened again. In the middle of a show, the same thing happened.

At this point, I wonder what to do next. The DTVPal tech people have no clue. It is very annoying and obviously a defect somewhere in this unit. Any suggestions????
Gary

The problem is the reboot, not the guide download. Guide is always downloaded right after the box is rebooted.
post #8594 of 18096
Ok...I see. Is there any way I can fix this problem or is it in the hardward (firmware?)? I thought this problem was fixed with the lasted firmware version.
Gary
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Originally Posted by otacool View Post

The problem is the reboot, not the guide download. Guide is always downloaded right after the box is rebooted.
post #8595 of 18096
Greetings,
I just talked to the DTVPal tech people about the reboot problem. Here is what he said:
-Don't have it plugged into a surge protector. Maybe my surge protector is causing the problem.
-Do a hard reset...turn off the box; unplug the box for 15 seconds; replug it directly into a wall socket.
Ok...I did this and I'll report back if/when this works...or does not work.
Any other suggestions? Can surge portectors cause a reboot???
Thanks.... Gary
post #8596 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

Greetings,
I just talked to the DTVPal tech people about the reboot problem. Here is what he said:
-Don't have it plugged into a surge protector. Maybe my surge protector is causing the problem.
-Do a hard reset...turn off the box; unplug the box for 15 seconds; replug it directly into a wall socket.
Ok...I did this and I'll report back if/when this works...or does not work.
Any other suggestions? Can surge portectors cause a reboot???
Thanks.... Gary

Just in case, see if RF attenuation might help... connect coax to the unit thru a splitter, pref. one with -7.4dB output port, and see if that helps.

If it does, RF attenuators are very cheap... you just need to correct amount and a splitter can tell you that.
post #8597 of 18096
wajo...
My antenna currently has an 'amplifier' device hooked in line. It is added just before my splitter. Is that what you mean? I will give what I have already done a chance to see if that makes a difference. If not, I'll look into the "annenuation" you suggest.
Thanks... Gary
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Just in case, see if RF attenuation might help... connect coax to the unit thru a splitter, pref. one with -7.4dB output port, and see if that helps.

If it does, RF attenuators are very cheap... you just need to correct amount and a splitter can tell you that.
post #8598 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

Greetings,
I just talked to the DTVPal tech people about the reboot problem. Here is what he said:
-Don't have it plugged into a surge protector. Maybe my surge protector is causing the problem.
-Do a hard reset...turn off the box; unplug the box for 15 seconds; replug it directly into a wall socket.
Ok...I did this and I'll report back if/when this works...or does not work.
Any other suggestions? Can surge portectors cause a reboot???
Thanks.... Gary

Do you know which station supplies you with TOGOS? What is the signal strength of that station?
post #8599 of 18096
In response to the comments regarding the audio/video dropouts, I too have noticed this ongoing issue. I always see it on (and only on) WISE-DT1 and DT2, channel 33 (digital 18), a NBC/MYTV affiliate in Fort Wayne, Indiana. The problem only occurs on my DTVPal DVR; it is not observed when using my Samsung SIR-T351 set top box. The DTVPal DVR (and SIR-T351) outputs a 720P component signal to my Samsung 720P DLP television, so only a single 1080i to 720p conversion is made via the DTVPal DVR.
The (what I call "digital glitches") happen every 31 to 32 seconds and vary in degree; sometimes they are extremely noticable with a complete audio dropout for a fraction of a second coupled with very obvious pixilations, sometimes not so much, but I always expect something every half-minute.
Since WISE is not my only NBC option, I get around this nuisance most of the time by watching the Toledo NBC affiliate which I can usually receive satisfactorily, although not nearly as strong as WISE. (I am located in northwest Ohio roughly midway between Toledo and Fort Wayne, but closer to the Fort Wayne tower sites.)
post #8600 of 18096
I think I'm reaching saturation. I've been recording so many shows, for which I somehow have to find a big chunk of time to sit and watch, mostly on weekends. Too much of a good thing?
post #8601 of 18096
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Originally Posted by jrpastore View Post

I've traded emails with the engineer at my ABC affiliate (KVUE in Austin, TX) on this issue. He hooked up a DTVPal DVR that they have in-house and was unable to see the problem so no action was taken. The issue must be with the local affiliates rather than the ABC network feed because we only see reports from a few markets.

I am not getting sound dropouts on KVUE but then I only watch one or two shows on ABC. KEYE had a sound dropout problem early on but some tweaking fixed it - KEYE engineer is extremepy helpful with such things. I do still get that washy looking video distortion occasionally on KVUE.
post #8602 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

Can surge portectors cause a reboot???
Thanks.... Gary

I have both my Pals (and other AV equipment) on a UPS without issue. One machine did reboot recently for maybe the second time in a year. It happened when I was punching buttons on the remote perhaps too quickly and it got confused. I can live with that.
post #8603 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

wajo...
My antenna currently has an 'amplifier' device hooked in line. It is added just before my splitter. Is that what you mean? I will give what I have already done a chance to see if that makes a difference. If not, I'll look into the "annenuation" you suggest.
Thanks... Gary
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In that case, remove the amplifier which acomplishes the same thing. I am with those who think there is something in the signal from one of the channels, probably the TVGOS supplier. We thought F208 had fixed the "evil TVGOS" problem but maybe not.
post #8604 of 18096
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Originally Posted by jrpastore View Post

I'm guessing that this issue is with your ABC affiliate as ... If this is an ABC related issue in your market, can you confirm whether they also upconvert the OTA broadcast to 1080i? Any comments from people in other markets?

I rarely watch TV directly. I almost always watch through the DVR so I have all the rewind, pause and capture features. That being said I selected the TV input on my TV and the ABC station is broadcasting 720P and I have not noticed any significant audio drop-outs either with the TV tuner or the DVR tuner. The DVR upconverts to 1080i.
post #8605 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

wajo...
My antenna currently has an 'amplifier' device hooked in line. It is added just before my splitter. Is that what you mean? I will give what I have already done a chance to see if that makes a difference. If not, I'll look into the "annenuation" you suggest.
Thanks... Gary
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

In that case, remove the amplifier which acomplishes the same thing. I am with those who think there is something in the signal from one of the channels, probably the TVGOS supplier. We thought F208 had fixed the "evil TVGOS" problem but maybe not.

By all means, remove the amp if it's easily accessible, but keep the splitter. If no joy, remove the splitter also to see if the signal was to WEAK, but that's unlikely since you currently have an amp in line?
post #8606 of 18096
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Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

Greetings,
I just talked to the DTVPal tech people about the reboot problem. Here is what he said:
-Don't have it plugged into a surge protector. Maybe my surge protector is causing the problem.
-Do a hard reset...turn off the box; unplug the box for 15 seconds; replug it directly into a wall socket.
Ok...I did this and I'll report back if/when this works...or does not work.
Any other suggestions? Can surge portectors cause a reboot???
Thanks.... Gary

I wouldn't think it would be the surge protector, but it certainly could be caused by the wiring in your house. Many older houses have inadequate wiring and when the furnace or water pump or some other high drain appliance kicks on it will cause a drop in voltage which will wreck havoc on computing devices like the DTVpal. I'm guessing that since this is your second unit that it is probably an enviromental issue. A signal conditioner or uninteruptable power supply, should fix the problem. Or, if your on the cheap, plug it into a different (preferably dedicated) circuit.
post #8607 of 18096
Hi, I just had my first problem with dtvpal w/F208. Video fine but, no audio whatsoever, live or recorded, tried different hdmi imputs on tv, same thing. Also, am connected to surround sound system, still no luck. Main tv tuner sound works fine, but no sound with pal. Unplugged and rebooted pal, still nothing. any ideas? Thanks, TOM
Please tell me its just the hdmi cord.
post #8608 of 18096
Quote:
Originally Posted by goddi1 View Post

Greetings,
I just talked to the DTVPal tech people about the reboot problem. Here is what he said:
-Don't have it plugged into a surge protector. Maybe my surge protector is causing the problem.
-Do a hard reset...turn off the box; unplug the box for 15 seconds; replug it directly into a wall socket.
Ok...I did this and I'll report back if/when this works...or does not work.
Any other suggestions? Can surge portectors cause a reboot???
Thanks.... Gary

I had the reboot problem until I switched the connection to my Sony Bravia TV from HDMI to component. What kind of TV do you have and how is it connected?
post #8609 of 18096
Thanks for the details. I guess my ABC affiliate 720p ->1080i upconvert theory is blown then. It must just be some encoder settings that are incompatible with the DTVPal decoder.
post #8610 of 18096
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Originally Posted by MrTomJr View Post

Hi, I just had my first problem with dtvpal w/F208. Video fine but, no audio whatsoever, live or recorded, tried different hdmi imputs on tv, same thing. Also, am connected to surround sound system, still no luck. Main tv tuner sound works fine, but no sound with pal. Unplugged and rebooted pal, still nothing. any ideas? Thanks, TOM
Please tell me its just the hdmi cord.

After having this this thing for a year I was with out audio last night, took me a minute ti fiqure it out.

They have been messing around with the channels around here and I selected a channel that was not really there for some reason then I went to the DVR to watch a show and there was no audio.

Stopped and restarted the show a few timeand still no audio.

So I went back to the tunner and selected a channel that was working, went back to the DVR show and the audio came back, was kinda weird.
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