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post #9631 of 16895
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Originally Posted by velix View Post

I have both screens in my DTV Pal with F208
It's in (menu 3-2-6)

Looks like CM begin its life with renamed FW F208->F400 and has no new features.
post #9632 of 16895
And this is a surprise?
post #9633 of 16895
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Looks like CM begin its life with renamed FW F208->F400 and has no new features.

Too bad they never took advantage of the smart card feature. That would make a BIG difference

Also they changed the number so further updates will not be compatible with dishpal. imo
post #9634 of 16895
It is $348 and free shipping to store at Walmart

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Channel-Ma...D-DVR/13968952
post #9635 of 16895
You know what it's said a picture is worth. . .

Their decimal is in a different position from yours--at least now, anyway.
post #9636 of 16895
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Originally Posted by FRANK43 View Post

It is $348 and free shipping to store at Walmart

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Channel-Ma...D-DVR/13968952

The lowest price that I'm seeing today for the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR is from DataVision Computer Video. They are one of the Amazon.com Featured Merchants. Their price today is $335.20 plus $5.50 shipping. That's about 16% off of the MSRP of $399.99. The prices from all of the merchants there seem to change daily but one of the merchants in that list usually has the lowest price available at any given time (when compared to all other prices that I have been able to find on the internet). The bottom line is if you are looking for the lowest total price start your shopping there.
post #9637 of 16895
big thanks to PSmith on the preview. from first glance, the changes including the firmware appear to be mostly cosmetic. given the lack of significant developement and added features for the original DTVPal DVR, I'd be surprised to see much of change for this unit but guess we'll see. Predictions for how long it takes someone to dump the CM firmware to flash the Dish version?
post #9638 of 16895
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Originally Posted by RTK View Post

big thanks to PSmith on the preview. from first glance, the changes including the firmware appear to be mostly cosmetic. given the lack of significant developement and added features for the original DTVPal DVR, I'd be surprised to see much of change for this unit but guess we'll see. Predictions for how long it takes someone to dump the CM firmware to flash the Dish version?

I would say it less then one hour job, but I don't see how you could convince someone to do that.
Why ? What is your desire ?
As we saw, CM F400 is the same as F208.
post #9639 of 16895
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

I would say it less then one hour job, but I don't see how you could convince someone to do that.
Why ? What is your desire ?
As we saw, CM F400 is the same as F208.

why do people climb mountains? I have no interest in doing it but someone probably will...
post #9640 of 16895
I see ... I prefer to spend time hiking or relaxing on a beach... And I saw both DVRs.
Perhaps someone living in that places with flaky TVGOS stream could test CM to see if internal algorithms are better.
post #9641 of 16895
It will be interesting to see what happens going forward. If a firmware update is issued for the CM, will the Dish box get one as well and will the two continue to have the same feature set? Lots of great suggestions have been made in the FAQ which will probably never be incorporated. I've always wanted PIG and external USB support but I'm not optimistic. For it to have greater consumer appeal, CM would need to understand the value in adding new features including making use of the ethernet port.
post #9642 of 16895
I guess we shouldn't assume that F400 is the same as F108, since there were firmware updates prior to F108 that didn't change anything cosmetically, but greatly increased the stability of the dvr. Hopefully CM owners will eventually chime in when they start having problems, or at least sing the praises if the CM is rock solid. That would then create the incentive to somehow get F400 on a F108 unit.
post #9643 of 16895
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

I never owned one but from what I have read they were very well-made/high-quality units. One thing that I believe lead to their demise was the MSRP which ranged from $800 for the 250GB unit to $1,000 for the 500GB unit. I don't believe the majority of OTA viewers who wanted to record HD were willing to spend that amount of money. A lot of people buying electronics look for the cheapest price and unfortunately don't give much thought to the quality of the build or components inside. IMHO the Sony units had a limited market based on their MSRPs at the time.

I've got two of these. They are somewhat buggy in that you have to nurse them sometimes, much of which is due to the total dependence on TV Guide On Screen for schedules and clock setting. They were way ahead of their time...there was little ATSC when they first came out. The prices were also early adopter. I got them when Sony was blowing them out for $250. I bought two of the HDD 250s, and bought the extended warranty, based on the forums I'd read. Sure enough, I went through four of them to get two that worked well, and one of those went back a year later (under warranty) but Sony's service center did a good job taking care of me.

I want to know why they never learned from these mistakes and came out with a new one. I've got one sitting next to my Dish box, set up for all OTA shows (one bonus is that it will record/playback native OTA). I'm quite happy with the Sony box. The second is feeding a flatscreen Trintron which while 480i looks darn good with the downscaled HD picture fed by RGB inputs. The Tuner in the sony is first generation so it does not work as well as the built in tuner in the Panasonic or even the one in the Dish box.

On the worldwide market, there are other boxes like this sold in Japan and elsewhere. Even a blu ray burner, too. But, we Americans can't have that-or maybe I'm just annoyed that Hulu is blocked at my PS 3.

I go with the conspiracy theory....If they can already sell every DVR they can make to cable companies or Satellite folks, why go retail....also, the big content providers still have a handle on this, which is probably why the Sony is dependant upon the time signal from TVGOS.

It is better made than the Dish DVR (VIP 612) that locks up consistently while watching OTA, and the whole box resets.
post #9644 of 16895
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Originally Posted by speedlaw View Post

The Tuner in the sony is first generation...

Fourth generation - not first.
post #9645 of 16895
Amazon.com has set up pages for Customer Reviews and Customer Discussions of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR.
post #9646 of 16895
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

Amazon.com has set up pages for Customer Reviews and Customer Discussions of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR.

One person writing about dish lol. Send in the pissed off people
post #9647 of 16895
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

CM-7000PAL Disk file system still the same:

What software your are using?
Can you see the video data files and copy them out?
post #9648 of 16895
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Originally Posted by HoustonPerson View Post

As the Kelson post above has noted - that is not correct. Since a 720 source must go threw a ton of processing for 1080i output is one issue.

The other issue is the "overscan" recording 1080 processing for 1080 output. I have seen a lot of DVRs mess this up badly.

Okay. I did not perform the 720 test but I did perform the 1080 test. I photographed a 1080i OTA picture on my TV while I was recording the same thing on the DVR. Then I played back the recording and photographed the same weather graphic on the TV. I brought the two images into Photoshop, overlaid them with no scaling, set the Layer mode to Difference, and took another photo. The result shows essentially perfect cancellation. Any imperfect cancellation is is due to some portions of the graphic being animated such as the suns, rain drops, and ocean waves. The Lat/Lon lines align perfectly. There is no overscan in this mode. I've attached the 3 images.

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post #9649 of 16895
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

It's posted right at the Sears Outlet website: Sears item # 57709

You may also need department number if you call sears. It's 57.
Don't know if this was posted here yet but you can buy an item at one Sears for its current price for pickup at another store that has stock (but at a higher or unknown price). That's how I got the last two in my area for $150 each.
post #9650 of 16895
Crutchfield has lowered their price on the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR from $399.99 to $349.99 with free shipping included. They have also posted their Hands-On Research of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR.
post #9651 of 16895
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

Crutchfield has lowered their price on the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR from $399.99 to $349.99 with free shipping included. They have also posted their Hands-On Research of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR.

Funny, how they blindly stick with manufacturer's requirement:
"Note: The access card inserted into the CM-7000PAL should remain installed".
Absolute BS !
post #9652 of 16895
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Originally Posted by P Smith View Post

Funny, how they blindly stick with manufacturer's requirement:
"Note: The access card inserted into the CM-7000PAL should remain installed".
Absolute BS !

Why BS? Removing the card could easily result in it being lost or damaged. Leaving it where the manufacturer installed it seems like the most prudent course of action should it ever be required.
post #9653 of 16895
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

Crutchfield has lowered their price on the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR from $399.99 to $349.99 with free shipping included. They have also posted their Hands-On Research of the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR.

Nice to see they don't promise or hint at any additional functionality for the USB port or ethernet jack other than as a means to update the firmware.
post #9654 of 16895
it would be nice to use the usb for a wifi adapter
post #9655 of 16895
Has no functionality at the moment and is useless. So I agree with P Smith. Why have something sticking out of the PalDVR that has no reason to exist other than being a curiosity piece and something you can snag yourself on?

Just pul it out and keep it with you PALDVR documentation.
post #9656 of 16895
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

Has no functionality at the moment and is useless. So I agree with P Smith. Why have something sticking out of the PalDVR that has no reason to exist other than being a curiosity piece and something you can snag yourself on?

Even if it were functional, it would require a high speed connection - dialup just won't cut it so why have it there collecting dust?
post #9657 of 16895
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Originally Posted by golinux View Post

Even if it were functional, it would require a high speed connection - dialup just won't cut it so why have it there collecting dust?

Maybe they thought they would sell many many units. Then they would start a new pay service (movies) That would use the card and internet conection
post #9658 of 16895
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Originally Posted by keyboard21 View Post

Maybe they thought they would sell many many units. Then they would start a new pay service (movies) That would use the card and internet conection

With a heads-up operation, they could have been ahead of the curve on Video on Demand. They could have been ahead of Netflix, vudu et al. The hardware was there. Who knows? Something like that may yet happen, especially if the ChannelMaster version of this catches on.
post #9659 of 16895
Argh! I wish the Sears stores in my area had the DTVpal DVR in stock. There is not a one to be found. I just cannot force myself to pay more than $199 for the unit. Why in the world is Kmart charging $100 more the same thing? Here's to hoping that the Channel Master will come down in price.
post #9660 of 16895
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Originally Posted by GrepACE View Post

Argh! I wish the Sears stores in my area had the DTVpal DVR in stock. There is not a one to be found. I just cannot force myself to pay more than $199 for the unit. Why in the world is Kmart charging $100 more the same thing? Here's to hoping that the Channel Master will come down in price.

Sears Outlet right now is showing a price range for the Dish DTVPal DVR of $119.93-$209.93. You have to be "lucky" to find stock in your area when you do your search. Their inventory and price range changes frequently from what I have observed.

The lowest price today (that I've found) for the Channel Master CM-7000PAL DVR is $332.45 (plus $6.88 shipping) from Electronica Direct which is one of the Amazon.com Featured Merchants. BTW, this price is so low that they are not allowed to display it until you add the DVR to your cart.
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