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post #9931 of 18096
Well it turns out that the Roanoke Sears had them after all for $149.00. After spending well over an hour on the phone trying to locate one on the east coast (really). I went through it all, customer service, outlet stores ect.
It turns out they don't know what the heck they are doing as far as locating their own merchandise except seemingly the salesman at the Garden City NewYork Sears. I'm on the phone talking with this guy and he pecks around and says yeah we have a couple. OK good I say can you ship it to me? Yes was his reply and he goes on to say "shipping" is $65. Steep but I do it because it is still a good price. Well last night my wife and I are at the mall for something unrelated and I wander down to Sears for the heck of it, and I'm the electronics dept. not expecting to see anything and what do I find on the shelf but 3 TVpals, well crap! So I pick one up to buy with the intent of canceling my "New York" order to recoup the "shipping" cost.
I relate all this to the Roanoke salesman who stands there shaking his head in confusion, especially the $65 shipping, when another sales guy comes up and says "oh yeah we pulled one of those yesterday for delivery". A lightbulb goes off on these guys and they ask how I paid for the first one, which was by cc so he brings up the sales order for the one that was pulled for delivery and low and behold it was my order??!! Uh, yeah, the 65 bucks wasn't for shipping it was for it to be delivered! So the whole time I was thinking this guy in New York had pulled it off the shelf there and was gonna UPS it to little 'ol me here in Virginia, nope he just knew where to look and saw in one inventory here and made the sale through my local Sears. Naturally I canceled that order.
In all my efforts the only store where I didn't talk directly to the guy on the sales floor was here in Roanoke (my mistake). And in the whole time Sears had supposed to have been selling these they had never been on the shelf here and I and checked quite a few times. Quite a ride but it all turned out well.
post #9932 of 18096
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

As far as the TVGOS implementation on the DTVPal DVR is concerned, it is flawed in some way in all areas of the country, as noted on Page 1. . .
A related Pal DVR flaw is that periodically (maybe every 3-6 months), it suddenly stops receiving TVGOS listings and they won't come back without a doing a factory reset or some other form of manual intervention.

So Dish and/or Channel Master aren't "taking so long to get their act together for digital TVGOS"; the sad fact is that it seems they actually have no interest in fixing these flaws.

That is pretty much the type of Philly metro data I was thinking of when I said the Pal DVR doesn't meet my criteria of functionality/reliability at any price. The flaw appears to clearly be within the Pal DVR, but there are people who post flawless operation of TVGOS with the Pal DVR in their area. I'll just wait to see the feedback on the CM-7000PAL DVR.
post #9933 of 18096
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Originally Posted by kelson View Post

. . . But there are people who post flawless operation of tvgos with the pal dvr in their area . . .

+1
post #9934 of 18096
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Originally Posted by KeithMoore View Post

In all my efforts the only store where I didn't talk directly to the guy on the sales floor was here in Roanoke (my mistake). And in the whole time Sears had supposed to have been selling these they had never been on the shelf here and I and checked quite a few times.

And I said to myself, if the guy in Vinton can't find one there is no reason for me to call. He certainly checked the Roanoke locations. So I called NY... Did you have to talk to the salesman to cancel the order??
post #9935 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

.... For 5 years I used a Panasonic E-85 with analog TVGOS and it was rock stable; I always had 8 days of data for all the OTA channels I received. Had the E-85 used a name-based scheduler, it would have worked fine given the stability of the analog guide. ....

I think this has been discussed before but if you like the E-85, don't put it in the closet, find a PAL+ and hook it up so the E-85 can control it. Mine works great BUT the TVGOS stream that it uses to convert to analog is even worse than the normal digital stream in terms of channel coverage. I don't get the local PBS or NBC stations but get data for stations in the surrounding markets.
post #9936 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

And I said to myself, if the guy in Vinton can't find one there is no reason for me to call. He certainly checked the Roanoke locations. So I called NY... Did you have to talk to the salesman to cancel the order??

No not the one in Ney York, all he had done was to sell it through the Roanoke store, so I assume, that was how the local salesguy was able to cancel the order. What irked me was the New York guy knew where I was calling from and didn't bother to tell me that it was coming from the store here! Whats wrong with this picture? All I can say is if you want to be sure don't bother with customer service, all that they are doing is looking at a computer screen. Ask to speak directly to the sales person in the department you are interested in so that he/she can physically check the shelf or stockroom for what you need. Like I said as of 9pm lastnight they still had 5
post #9937 of 18096
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

I think this has been discussed before but if you like the E-85, don't put it in the closet, find a PAL+ and hook it up so the E-85 can control it. Mine works great BUT the TVGOS stream that it uses to convert to analog is even worse than the normal digital stream in terms of channel coverage. I don't get the local PBS or NBC stations but get data for stations in the surrounding markets.

The E-85 was great but like all DVD recorders, it's only SD. When I bought my 50" plasma and saw how disgusting OTA analog looked I put a CM-7000 CECB on the E-85 (better PQ because of S-Video output) and used it like that with the IR blaster for 7 months. It finally got to the point where I wanted to timeshift in HD and the Pal DVR was still vaporware so I bought a TiVo HD and put the E-85 on a shelf.
post #9938 of 18096
I just saw this listed on Amazon.com with a beginning sale date of July 26th, 2010.

never mind, I found my answer - while it's got a digital tuner, it doesn't mention any HD capabilities.

I was hoping it was a closer match to the DTVPal DVR.

Sorry to mention it now... :-(
post #9939 of 18096
Have you tried Googling it?
post #9940 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Ibentruitt View Post

I just saw this listed on Amazon.com with a beginning sale date of July 26th, 2010.

never mind, I found my answer - while it's got a digital tuner, it doesn't mention any HD capabilities.

I was hoping it was a closer match to the DTVPal DVR.

Sorry to mention it now... :-(

No HD, SD/2.0 only. It's just a basic DVD recorder.
post #9941 of 18096
Well I drove to Roanoke and picked up at DTVPAL brought it home and hooked it up. I wish I could say end of story but it isn't. I am having serious problems with the remote.

What it boils down to is this: If the TV (Sony Bravia 46") is OFF, you can aim the remote in any direction and the DTVPAL will see it (respond). If the TV is ON you have to be 2 inches from the IR sensor to get the DTVPAL to respond. however, Other devices respond to the DTVPAL remote normally.

I point the remote to the ceiling and press ON, the DTVPAL comes ON.
I manually turn on the TV
I point the remote directly at the DTVPAL and press ON -- nothing no flicker of the LED

I know this sounds crazy but I have tried everthing I can think of.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
post #9942 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

Well I drove to Roanoke and picked up at DTVPAL brought it home and hooked it up. I wish I could say end of story but it isn't. I am having serious problems with the remote.

What it boils down to is this: If the TV (Sony Bravia 46") is OFF, you can aim the remote in any direction and the DTVPAL will see it (respond). If the TV is ON you have to be 2 inches from the IR sensor to get the DTVPAL to respond. however, Other devices respond to the DTVPAL remote normally.

I point the remote to the ceiling and press ON, the DTVPAL comes ON.
I manually turn on the TV
I point the remote directly at the DTVPAL and press ON -- nothing no flicker of the LED

I know this sounds crazy but I have tried everthing I can think of.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

It is your TV interfering with the remote. Get a new TV or an RF remote. It is a known issue and is not limited to your TV, but many LCD's and Plasma's. It is also not limited to the DTV Pal, but many other remotes that use IR in the same range.
post #9943 of 18096
I got a free DTVpal from sears. I ordered it, and it refused to turn on so Sears had me return the original and get a second unit. The second one turned-on but then immediately turned off again. On-off-on-off-on-off. So Sears refunded my money on the spot. So I got a free DTVpal but in broken condition. :-| I think I can understand why they no longer carry it.
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The "DTVPal DVR" is currently on sale at Sears.com for $200.

No it isn't. I searched and it's no longer there. Sears doesn't even sell the DTVpal anymore. :-(
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Originally Posted by Ibentruitt View Post

I just saw this listed on Amazon.com with a beginning sale date of July 26th, 2010....... never mind, I found my answer..... Sorry to mention it now... :-(

Don't be sorry. I'm glad you did because some of us are happy with standard def DVD quality receivers. The magnavox is not only cheaper but also holds a LOT more hours (over 300) than the DTVpal does. I added it to my amazon shopping cart. Thanks. :-D
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Originally Posted by dkreichen1968 View Post

[DTVpal has] dual tuners, record two shows while watching a third, thirty second skip, pause live TV, digital one to one picture quality, 30 hours of HD... no not even close to a VCR.

Depends on how much you spent on your VCR. My D-VHS unit didn't have all the features of a DVR but it did have an onscreen guide plus unlimited recording space (just swap out one 40-hour tape for another 40 hour tape).
post #9944 of 18096
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

It is your TV interfering with the remote. Get a new TV or an RF remote. It is a known issue and is not limited to your TV, but many LCD's and Plasma's. It is also not limited to the DTV Pal, but many other remotes that use IR in the same range.

Careful with an RF remote. I use a URC MX-850 w/MRF-250 and no problems, but that's ONLY because I had them sitting around. About six months ago someone else on this thread and I were trying to figure out why the new narrow band RF remotes weren't working. I got my hands on some old remotes I had sitting around and he got a URC MX-400 master controller. This unit is VERY picky with IR signals coming from remote extenders, universal remotes, and it's own remote.
post #9945 of 18096
For anybody interested I have a DTVPal DVR for sale in the classified area

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...&categoryid=33

I've moved and can't get all the OTA channels I used to.
post #9946 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

What it boils down to is this: If the TV (Sony Bravia 46") is OFF, you can aim the remote in any direction and the DTVPAL will see it (respond). If the TV is ON you have to be 2 inches from the IR sensor to get the DTVPAL to respond. however, Other devices respond to the DTVPAL remote normally.

If your Sony TV has a room light sensor (that automatically dims the backlight in a dark room), try disabling that function from the settings menu of the TV. Some folks have reported that it was not the TV but the room light sensor that was interfering. It may be flooding the room with an IR wavelength that the DTVPal is overly sensitive to.

I have a Sony 40" XBR LCD, and it does not do this (either with the room light sensor on or off).
post #9947 of 18096
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Originally Posted by johnd393 View Post

Sears, Southlake Mall , Hobart/Merrilliville, Indiana, has 9 of 'em as of 4:30pm today.

Today, June 27, 2010, they still had 8, after I bought one more.
post #9948 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

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Originally Posted by pvdave
If anyone has found an LCD TV for which turning off a room light sensor causes the DVR remote to start working normally, I'd be shocked.




Prepare to be shocked a second time. My Hewlett Packard LC3760N 37-inch LCD TV, which is essentially a rebadged/tweaked Sharp Aquos LCD TV, has to have its room light sensor turned off to allow the Dish DTVPal DVR remote to work normally.

Chalk up another shocker: my LG 42LH40 uses a sensor when the energy saving mode is turned on--if it's running, the DTVPal won't respond to its remote; I turn it off, the remote signals get through just fine.
post #9949 of 18096
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

If your Sony TV has a room light sensor (that automatically dims the backlight in a dark room), try disabling that function ...

I need to do a little bit more testing, but it looks like disabling the sensor solved my problem.

Thanks for the help eveyone... big
post #9950 of 18096
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Originally Posted by Pete-N2 View Post

I need to do a little bit more testing, but it looks like disabling the sensor solved my problem.

Alas, another shock for pvdave. As an electrical engineer (retired), I still have no actual clue why these room light sensors do this - seems totally bizarre to me, since it seems like it could just be a simple photocell like my wife's clock radio.

Rack it up to "strange product interactions"!
post #9951 of 18096
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Originally Posted by johnd393 View Post

Today, June 27, 2010, they still had 8, after I bought one more.

What price are they asking?
post #9952 of 18096
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Originally Posted by theaveng View Post

What price are they asking?

They were marked $199 but rang up $149.97.
post #9953 of 18096
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Originally Posted by frank70 View Post

If your Sony TV has a room light sensor (that automatically dims the backlight in a dark room), try disabling that function from the settings menu of the TV. Some folks have reported that it was not the TV but the room light sensor that was interfering. It may be flooding the room with an IR wavelength that the DTVPal is overly sensitive to.

I have a Sony 40" XBR LCD, and it does not do this (either with the room light sensor on or off).

For what it is worth, I have a Samsung (40" LCD). If there is no picture (black) on the display the remote does not work unless it is close to the DVR but if there is a display the remote works anywhere in the room. Now, the black screen may have something to do with what the DVR is sending to the TV (HDMI) because if the TV displays a little box that says it is searching for a signal the remote works. Maybe the DVR is acting up and it has nothing to do with the remote. Don't know, just saying what I have seen.
post #9954 of 18096
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Originally Posted by theaveng View Post

What price are they asking?

IMHO if you can find one, just buy it with the provision that if it does not work you can return it because every day there are fewer to be had (ignoring the CM unit which seems to be a bit of an unknown). Even at $300 I would still say the DVR is worth having.
post #9955 of 18096
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Originally Posted by WillN937 View Post

For what it is worth, I have a Samsung (40" LCD). If there is no picture (black) on the display the remote does not work unless it is close to the DVR but if there is a display the remote works anywhere in the room. Now, the black screen may have something to do with what the DVR is sending to the TV (HDMI) because if the TV displays a little box that says it is searching for a signal the remote works. Maybe the DVR is acting up and it has nothing to do with the remote. Don't know, just saying what I have seen.

You are not alone. I also have a Samsung 40 inch with the same behavior. The TV sits on top of a TV stand with the DVR in the stand below it. When in this state the green LED will not blink when a remote button is pressed. Occasionally it will stick in this mode even when the screen lights back up and I turn the TV off and on to get the remote working again. This is the only condition (black screen) my remote hangs with my configuration. I found placing the DVR in a "sweet spot"... not too deep and not too up front in the TV stand... reduces this behavior. Trying non-HDMI inputs didn't help so went back to HDMI. There is no obvious room light sensor on my unit nor does the screen darken with the ambient room light, but the menus do drop to a lower light level when the picture displayed darkens.
post #9956 of 18096
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

You must be west of 35 in Georgetown. I'm about 5 miles east and can't get 2.1. I do have an HTPC that can tune it fine, so if I want to record, I can record it there. My 3+ year old Vizio plasma can also tune it fine with no issue.

Give 006-02 another shot. For the last few days I'm able to tune it in on the dvr but instead of listed as KCEN-SD it now comes up as MYTX. Also started getting, albeit a weak signal, KBVO 14-1.
post #9957 of 18096
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Originally Posted by wldstlln View Post

Give 006-02 another shot. For the last few days I'm able to tune it in on the dvr but instead of listed as KCEN-SD it now comes up as MYTX. Also started getting, albeit a weak signal, KBVO 14-1.

Since they added 006-03, I have been able to pick it up. They recently changed the call letters to MYTX which is the name of the station. However, now there are issues with Windows Media Center picking up any of the 6-XX channels...can't win for losing.

I'll try KBVO again as when I emailed the engineer there they had said that no power increase would come before May 2010.
post #9958 of 18096
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Originally Posted by johnd393 View Post

They were marked $199 but rang up $149.97.

Has everyone who purchased a DTVPal DVR at Sears recently been charged that same $149 price? I was wondering if Sears has dropped the price even further to get rid of the last ones left in the stores.
post #9959 of 18096
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Originally Posted by trp2525 View Post

Has everyone who purchased a DTVPal DVR at Sears recently been charged that same $149 price? I was wondering if Sears has dropped the price even further to get rid of the last ones left in the stores.

Good luck finding one...
post #9960 of 18096
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Originally Posted by tom.green@iwon.com View Post

Good luck finding one...

I've already found one in a sealed box buried in the clearance section of a certain Sears store but there was no price on it. It's been sitting there for months. I didn't want to dig it out and call attention to it by asking for a price check because I wasn't ready to buy it at that moment. That's why I was asking in this forum if the current price is still $149 based on any recent purchases by posters here.
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