SVS New PC12-NSD Owners - Page 16

I'm also considering the HSU VTF 3.3. It says it plays well in rooms up to 6,000 sq ft and for all intents and purposes, should be on par with I believe the PC12 Plus according to Craig's rankings (although I think he ranked the older plus model). I'll see what SVS says and probably pull the trigger on one. I'm getting into the paralysis by analysis phase.

Side commemnt, I browsed the Plus owners thread and started to contemplate the ultra. I'm sure my wife is going to kill me when all is said and done.

The Hsu is another good choice. However, the whole "plays well in rooms up to 6,000 cubic feet" thing may be a bit misleading if you're a basshead. Sure it'll deliver decent output in a 6,000 cubic foot room, but I don't think it'll meet your requirements in a room anywhere near that large. I also think the VTF 3.3 is probably somewhere between the NSD and Plus lines. The Plus has been completely redesigned since the craigsub rankings. The new Plus is capable of more output, deeper extension, and much improved musicality over the older Plus.

By the way, I'm not trying to convince you to blow your budget and buy a higher end sub. In fact, I usually try harder than most around here to stick within peoples' budgets. But given your room size and listening habits (not to mention SVS's own recommendation) I don't think the NSD will cut it. Best of luck to you.

You make great points about the HSU and newer plus model, Lakersfan!

SVS just got back to me and recommended the Plus. I think I'll pull the trigger. It should be sufficient. And the reality is, if the plus isn't enough for my application, I'm not willing to spend any more for a sub at the moment so it'll have to do...I can always add another one down the road but I highly doubt I will need to.

Again this forum has been invaluable in helping me decide on the right sub. Thank you all.

Hey guys ... I'm trying to decide between the PC12-NSD and the PC12-Plus for my new sub and wanted to get your opinions. We generally listen at Moderate Volume Levels, and the split is about 80/20, movies to music. My room is ~1500 cubic feet, 15x14x7.5, and has two openings ... one to a similarly sized dining room, and the other to a small front hallway. I attached a rather crude JPEG drawing of the room so it's easier to visualize. Good thing I'm not an Architect ... huh??

I definitely need to stay with the cylinders as I don't have much room for more "end tables"!!!

That looks like a HUGE opening to the dining room. If the dining room is simlar in size to your viewing area, it looks like your effective room volume is twice as you indicated. EDIT: I just looked at your sketch again, and noticed the opening to the hallway, which further increases the volume of your room.

In addition, it looks like you're planning to place the sub near the opening to the dining room. In my discussions with SVS prior to buying the PC12-NSD, I was told that the ideal location for a sub is in a 'closed' corner (i.e., there are walls on both sides).

I have my TV/Audio rack positioned diagonally along a corner in my room. I placed my PC12-NSD in the corner behind the TV/Audio rack. The sub is hidden from view, and the corner location reinforces the sub's output.

I would send your sketch to SVS to see which sub they would recommend. If I had to guess, the PC12-Plus would be more appropriate.

I actually planned on putting it either behind the TV, or in the opposite corner behind the couch. So how does that work ... do I only account for the square footage where people will actually be sitting, or do I have to take into account all of the adjacent rooms as well?? Jack from SVS saw the sketch and he recommended the PC12-NDS ... so know I'm not sure which one I should get.

with large openings to the other rooms.... Yes then you have to take the other rooms into account but with just door-sized openings then that is not a factor
Total room size is the the square footage (edit ; cubic footage) of the room & any adjacent room with large openings

My understanding is that the more openings you have to the room, the more it takes to pressurize it.

I'd send the sketch to SVS. Include the dimensions of the openings and adjacent rooms/hallways. They'll also ask you how loud you listen to movies (give them the dB displayed on your AVR when you watch movies). They won't oversell to you.

OK guys ... so if I include the openings that are adjacent to my Living Room, I come up to about 364 square feet. Given that, do you guys think the NSD will be enough to pressurize the room??

Email your question, sketch and room volume to: techsupport@svsound.com

Square feet isn't enough...they'll need the number of cubic feet. They'll even recommend possible subwoofer locations if you ask.

I sent them an email this a.m. to ask a question about EQing my sub, and I got a response within 3 hours. Then I asked a followup question, and got another response within an hour.

I sent them a question about my room size & if a another PC12-NSD would work !

OK ... Jack is still saying the NSD will work fine for my environment ... so looks like I'll be taking the plunge!! Worse case ... I return it and get the Plus ... no biggie!!

Great!!

just so you're prepared---while the PC12-NSD has a small footprint, it "looks" HUGE because of its height. Kinda surprised me when I first saw it.

Boom===> pulled the trigger on another PC12-NSD YaHoo !
Jack advised that another PC12-NSD would help keep up with my 4 Klipsch Cornwalls
here's his statement ================>

"In an open space like that I'd say a second PC12-NSD would certainly help the sub channel keep up with those Cornwalls, no doubt. It's ~3000ft^3 just for the main room, not even counting the attached one. I'd try them placed together at first given the size of the space, for maximum coupling and headroom, although the opposite corner could also work well, near the other main."


man-0-man was the reply FAST ! sent last nite @ 9;00pm pst & had a reply when I got up this morning !

THANX Jack !

Fastslappy - how did the single NSD work in your room??

Other than the space that they take up, is there a difference in bass output with the boxed vs. cylinder? I was all set to purchase the PB12-NSD until I found this thread.

Yeah the cylinders are way more efficient, a little more bass response & the amp does not need to be soo large in wattage to push the air ,as that also goes to the efficiency of the ridged tuned port, the down firing of the woofer
you can feel the air movement coming out of the top port ,it will move the hair on the back of my hands .........

quite well I must say ! It moves the whole house !
but I soo impressed with the sub & being able to pick out the bass drum from a bass guitar . the detail is amazing to say the least
i'm getting another just soo I can have MORE !
not going with a 7.1 but sticking with a 5.2
gonna get the 2nd sub(PC12-NSD) one for each side of the HT that way doing another PC12-NSD instead of a single Plus .. spread the bang out evenly across the room
& rework my Klipsch Cornwalls into hybrid CornScala's with new select crossovers, better tweeters & huge better shaped mid range horns like the Klipsch La Scala's have..

Awesome ... think I might pull the trigger on a single NSD for now ... and then maybe down the road I'll pick up a second!!

Any one here running this sub with a denon AVR 1909 or similar AVR? If so would you please share your settings on the sub and AVR?

Just got my PC12 NSD today and this thing is HUGE! I knew it was big but I wasnt expecting it to be this big! Thats not to say I dont love it though.

I am still trying to get it tuned right and i just found out that the DRC was set to "ON" in my AVR so I am going to work on it more tomorrow to try and get it playing right as I was a little dissapointed with how quiet it was at first but once i turned DRC off it started to shine.

So here's my dilema (if you call it that), I had laid out a $600 budget for a sub and was about to pull the trigger on the PC12-NSD, but then yesterday I get a $500 check from my mortgage on overpayment of my escrow account. Now, do I bump up to the PC12-Plus or put that money towards a new speakers or receiver? The sub is going in my basement which is roughly 2900 cubic feet and this is my first step in upgrading my HT. Sub upgrade is my first purchase then followed by speakers or receiver, whichever I find a good deal on first. Current receiver is a Denon AVR-1804.

Or, if you have the space you could go with two PC12-NSDs. There's a 5% discount for buying two, and it's possible you could talk SVS into knocking a few more bucks off for you. I think a Plus or two NSDs will be much more appropriate for a 2900 cubic foot space than a single NSD. E-mail SVS and see what they recommend.

just an hour ago UPS dropped off got my 2nd PC12-NSD my room is 3000 cubic/ft & YEAH It Is Exactly what I needed
THIS WORKS way better than i thought it would !
get another one & they gave me 10% due to the sale that just ended & returning customer . just say Plz & say AVS the SVS PC12-NSD forum thread sent you there

this is who i was Nice to ====>

Jack Gilvey

Customer Service Manager

SV Sound, LLC

jackg@svsound.com

(585) 486-1787 (fax)

AND Jack is Da Man !
FAST replies in minutes he was returning emails.........................

Either way you cant go wrong but I would upgrade to the plus and my second choice would be dual nsd's . But either way you should be very very happy with the results

I vote for 2 PC12-NSDs. Having 2 subs allows you to have a more even distribution of bass notes throughout the room---a bigger 'sweet spot' so to speak.

Very good points but if he get a plus now and then in a year or two decides he wants twins it will be at another level and that much better just a thought .

I'll attest to that..........
as I just added another PC12-NSD the difference by adding a 2nd is 500% better bass presence

It is a HUGE improvement that I was Slack Jawed at what I was hearing/feeling just by adding the 2nd !