SVS New PC12-NSD Owners - Page 26

I use a gym "puzzle mat" square (similar to this one) under each of my subs. They're cheap, and they work great.

Looks like a nice substitue for an auralex!

awesome. thanks ed, glad to hear there's a simple solution. i think the biggest issues i'll have to deal with is the downgrade i had to make from the pb13u .

does it stop rattling of items? as an auralex does?

No, the left-back wall sconce that's prone to intermittent rattling during high-output LFE scenes still rattles intermittently. If it didn't, I would be somewhat disappointed that the "mats" were absorbing acoustic energy from my subs that should be emanating out into the room and rattling that sconce...and me.

As others have said placement is everything.

Looks like you have a Denon. I leave Dynamic Volume Off when I'm watching movies and want it loud. I only have it on when watching after hours and everyone's sleeping...very noticeable difference.

BTW: Check out Batpig's Audyssey Guide.

Denon indeed. 2112CI. I always leave Dynamic Volume off.

Checked out Batpig's guide many times. I found some useful stuff in there. Going to try and move the sub to the left of the couch. I have an end table there now, but I guess i'll have to find another spot for it(and the RC-10).

Help me undestand why 2 PC12 nds should sound better when they only go, as stated on their manual, to 18 Hz, when 1 PC12 PLus digs to 16 Hz? How can that be better?

I am about to buy one myself and struggeling on why 2 nds can be better than 1 PC Plus..

Can anyone help?

Listening area is 13x13 in an apartment, and like low voulume but bass that really goes deep..now and than. Cops would be on my case if go higher.. you see the dilemma maybe..

It's to do with the way that bass frequencies interact with small rooms (small rooms include most rooms that you will find inside an ordinary home). Every sub in a small room will produce a response that is affected by the room itself, raising the SPL at some frequencies and lowering it at others; having two subs located in the right way will help balance out the raising and lowering so that a more even in-room response is possible.

Lots of people would argue that the 2Hz extension difference between a PC12-NSD and a PC12-Plus in 16Hz tune is a smaller difference, by far, than the difference between the in-room frequency response smoothness of two NSDs as compared to one Plus.

In other words there's a lot more to in-room subwoofer performance than raw extension.

Ok I see your point there. I wrote SVS also and got an aswer back very fast, and in ways you described it too. I will make up mind today..

Thanks for your input on this.

Any time, friend Can I just say this, though? I own an NSD and I run it in a larger space. A single PC12-NSD will dominate your place if it's 13x13x(any normal apartment ceiling height). Maybe you should buy just one first, and see whether you can put the remaining $750 into something that will serve other needs better.

If you decide that you really want the added output and the frequency response upgrade that a second PC12 will provide, you can always buy one further down the road. After you hear one properly-calibrated PC12-NSD in your space, I suspect that you will wonder why you ever even considered either the Plus or a second NSD. However, if you buy them one at a time, then it's a decision you can easily and painlessly reverse. Just a thought

I went with the NDS after all; as customer feedback on SVS told me it really moves air and you can feel it. That onto everything else nicely said about it. One customer review claimed he had one of both, and according to him it’s hard to tell them apart, when used at normal volume and normal sized room.
Also, as the esthetician I am, I must have one on either side of the screen, now that I read so much good about it. So eventually I will get two of them - I’m sure. The will be the only visible speakers in my theater, as I am planning on hidden speakers for rest of the seven I need.

It’s going to be juicy when done.

Hell yes. Believe me, I totally understand your preference for symmetry. Also, one NSD will tear it up in your room, and two, I don't even know what that will be like, but I'm sure it'll be way-past-borderline-insane. Get ready At any rate, I think you've made the best decision. Unsolicited suggestion: while you only have one, try positioning your NSD mid-wall in the back or front. Crazy, right? No, try it.

I think you'll be happy with the NSD also. There is usually quite a premium to be paid to get the extra performance which is usually only seen at extreme listening levels, and many times you can almost afford duals one tier lower for the price of a single of the higher tier.

I've often found duals sound much better to my ear over a single of the next higher tier in most cases, so when you do "upgrade" with a second, you'll have an improved sound and symmetry .... I'd say similar output to the single of the higher tier, and you'll only be out the price of what a single of the higher tier would cost or slightly more considering shipping and all.

 

+1. I have two PC12-NSDs and can confirm all you say. Also, with dual subs it is much easier to get a good, smooth response across the entire room, with far less seat to seat variance. Also helped me with smoothing out room modes - much easier than doing it with one sub.

OK, I also have this PC12-NSD DSP subb.

I am VERY satisfied, just now looking at the Avatar movie with my brand new 790 (sony)
OT: Why do I feel that I am looking at a much nicer/sharper more natural picture than with my other player - the Oppo 93 ??

Now, my other problems is more visible, even with a superb Audussey adjust hometheater, the subwoofer ratling is from one spot in my living room.

I should perhapse get me another sub...


Q:
I should like to buy another PC12-NSD
-- but I really cannot aford it :-((

What cheaper SVS could you recommend to "match" my PC-12?

How does this small and cheaper svs sb-12 -nsd do compared to my PC-12 ??

I don’t know about the Oppo problem, but will say this; the money you spent on a blue ray player will probably be obsolete in a year or two. That is why I always go with computer rated players, such as the VLC-player, or XMDB-player that does most of all movies out there.
Thanks everyone for the input on single or dual setup on SVS subs.

I also live in an apartment and I just purchased two brand new PB12-NSD subs last week from SVSound. Smoother bass response and higher output are the result. Waiting on two Auralex risers to arrive on Monday. Played the Tripod emergence scene from War of the Worlds and my entire living room/ home theater became energized with waves of bass energy that I could hear and feel.

I had a PC12-nsd and I was hugging it while some punks were looking to steal it, then I also shot my dog in the head, so he died. And then two men came to look for me to kill me.

damn nightmares

I just ordered a pc12-nsd will be here on wenesday. I have definitive technolgy 7002 with 300 watt subwoofer built in. What should I set my cross over at? Think the PC12 will sound good with these speakers? I have a definitve technology 3000 with subwoofer built in for center, and 4 defitivite surround sound all with subs built in, and I also have a 600 watt definitve cube.

Thanks

I have two PC12-NSD's in my 15x16x9 room. The sound is great and the response curves are pretty darn good.

Here is my question--I bought my first '12 1.5 years ago. A month ago, I decided it was worth the money to buy a second one (and after having both of them, it IS a good idea). One thing I have noticed-when both are in "Standby" mode and then have a lower-level signal applied, the newer one pops out of standby immediately (as it should). The older one seems to require a higher signal level to come out of standby. Also-the older sub seems to want to go back to standby faster than the new one. Info-the newer sub is "daisy-chianed" from the older one, if that makes any difference. So, this begs the question--why are the Standby "activate" levels different on these two same model subs? Any ideas or comments from anybody? Don't misunderstand me-the sound of these subs is superb. I really like them. I just don't understand why the Standby activate modes are different between them. Thanks for any responses.

What is the signal strength? IIRC, the never versions have a 100mv trigger voltage. What's the trigger voltage of the older model? Can you measure the voltage? I've read of frustrations with new trigger voltages vs old trigger voltages.

Sadly, no, I don't have the means to measure the trigger voltage. And, really, this isn't a major problem. Just an annoyance I've discovered. Thanks for the response.

Hope my comments and suggestion help. Can you borrow a mult-meter from a friend?

Can you give SVS a call and find out what the different trigger voltages are? The second sub could be drawing the voltage down by just enough to mess up the triggering of the older unit.

I have my PC12-NSD SVS Cylinder waiting at the local fed ex office and will pick it up tommorow, I was wondering how big the box is I have a mid size car I am hoping it will fit in my car

Thanks
mike

Hi Mike -

The PC12-NSD package is 20"x20"x40". If your rear seats fold down, it might fit in from the truck, or possibly across the back seats.

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