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post #181 of 263
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Welcome guteLaune! Can you give us an idea of what other speakers you listened to? What makes you like these?

Well, let me just say it's a combination of what I'm able to audition, cost, and overall value for me. I absolutely loved my Aon 3's, but I'm also relatively new to the game. When I sold them after getting my Maggie 1.7's, it didn't take long to think that I should've just kept them (not that they're better than the 1.7's, just that you never know when you'll have a need for bookshelf speakers). Anyway, being new to all of this, I wanted to expose myself to as many different speakers/components/DACs etc as possible, so I knew I wouldn't be getting the Aon's again (crazy, I know, but with limited funds, I don't mind selling and getting something else, just for the experience of hearing something else, for better or for worse...)

What sold me on the Venere's is simply the price/performance ratio (and I love their looks). The CM5's were more expensive, and certainly didn't sound any better than the Venere's. In all honesty, though, the Aon 3's sounded marginally better than either of these speakers, and cost less (but look way worse).

Let's be honest, there are many great speakers in the $1200 range, and I'm sure there are plenty of other speakers out there at this price that would make me just as happy as the Venere's. Very few of us have actually heard even 10% of the speakers available in this range (or any range), let alone heard them in a direct A/B comparison. I won't pretend to give you whatever minor differences I thought I heard in these that made them any better than the CM5's (I already attempted that in my previous post), but I will say that vs. Audioengine and the Paradigms, they just sound better. That wall of sound that I love so much with near-field listening is taller, wider, deeper, and more alive with the Venere's. In my home, those powered monitors make me grin when i hear them. The Venere's make me smile. I'm sure the CM5's would've done the same, just as the Aon 3's did the same.

Compared to something like the Def Tech StudioMonitor 450 or the new 65, the sound isn't worth $900 to me. The high end is just too harsh with the Def Tech's, and I found gaps in the frequencies (yes, even on the new StudioMonitor 65's). But this is all relative. Going from near-field with the Venere 1.5's, and then moving to my Maggie 1.7's, it's no contest (nor would I expect it to be).

Bottom line, I like the Venere's because they sounded great to me, they looked better and cost less than the competition that was available to me, and they weren't a speaker that I've owned before.
post #182 of 263
The thing that drew me into the entire Venere lineup was their sound stage...almost 3d like. I really liked it.

Once the lineup gets older and I start seeing them on the secondary market I am sure I will snatch up a set. For now the price / performance was not there for me.

Thanks for your insights! Much appreciated.
post #183 of 263
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

The thing that drew me into the entire Venere lineup was their sound stage...almost 3d like. I really liked it.

Once the lineup gets older and I start seeing them on the secondary market I am sure I will snatch up a set. For now the price / performance was not there for me.

Thanks for your insights! Much appreciated.

I agree; very good soundstage. If you have a chance to hear goldenear Aon 3's, I would bet you'd like them, too. And they're a little less expensive than the Venere's.

At the moment I'm finding the USB on my computer is intermittently dropping out...looks like I'll be spending more money soon. I hate this hobby.
post #184 of 263
Thanks! I will check out the Aon. Sonus Faber was the only speakers that drew me in... I could tell there was something different from PSB and Paradigm (to me) in the first 15 seconds. A few songs that I listened to about 50 times that day... Sounded fresh and new.

I listened to the whole song ..and smiled the whole time.

At the time I first heard them... I heard the 2.5 first. I did notice a lack of full sounding mid. Bass was nice but if you played something bass heavy you muddled the entire composition of the speaker..not unbearably..but it was there.

The speakers did not "bloom" till they were fairly loud either... Lower levels and the speakers were ...not that good.

Finally upper range you could hear just a little cusping on vocals... These were definately "warm" speakers and not as neutral...where frankly I liked.

The 3.0 was good level and a half up from the 2.5. The mids were there... Sound stage was HUGE ...and the other little problems were there...but they didnt really deter me.

The center...seemed like an afterthought to me... and was weak sauce. Finally the price killed it. At 3500 plus 800 for center. Then I listened to the 1.5 and 2.0 and again found myself pulled to the 2.0 but much less so than the 2.5 to 3. I was willing to go with the 1.5.

Wife did like the looks... Some think they look plastic though.

Anyway...took a peak at the other speakers...very interesting. The dealer I listened to for the Venere also is a Anon GoldenEar dealer. Humm..may have to go back biggrin.gif
post #185 of 263
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post


Wife did like the looks... Some think they look plastic though.

Anyway...took a peak at the other speakers...very interesting. The dealer I listened to for the Venere also is a Anon GoldenEar dealer. Humm..may have to go back biggrin.gif

I can see why they'd think that, but honestly, these are some beautifully finished speakers.

I'm telling you, these things sound pretty darn good. Goldenear doesn't get a lot of followers in the audiophile world, it seems. I guess people just don't want a sock covering their speaker, which I can understand.
post #186 of 263

When I change my speakers B&Ws, I am going for Sonus Faber especially the Elipsa SE

 

http://www.sumikoaudio.net/sonus/prod_elipsa_special_edition.htm

 

They are gorgeous and sound great with all string instruments

post #187 of 263
I got a set of (new to me) Liuto towers, any setup tips? Are they supposed to be tilted slightly backwards or was that an optical illusion?

I have them maybe 6ft apart and 1ft from rear wall/window.

On carpet, are they supposed to stand on their spikes, or on the spikes on top of the little bases that are provided?

Thanks.
post #188 of 263
Very nice speakers you got Martin. Not sure about tilting them back - the ones that I have seen and heard appear to be level on the ground to me. Nevertheless, here are some tips to get the most out of them.

1. They are rear ported, so if you can, get them farther away from the rear wall/window. 12" is most likely not enough - try and get another 1/2 foot; 2 feet even better. Too close to a rear wall, especially a reflective window affects proper bass response. My Viennas are 17" from my rear wall and I wish I could get them further out but in my room, I simply can't.

2. Pay attention to the side walls too. Again, the more the better - up to 3' being ideal in most cases.

3. Cannot comment on the 6' spread as long as your listening position is greater this this. Ideally you want to form an isosceles triangle with the distance between the speakers less than the distance from the speakers to the listening position. Again in my case, mine are 7' apart (tweeter to tweeter) and 9' from my listening chair.

4. On carpet, spikes only. They are designed to dig into the carpet and grab for stability. Don't worry, they won't puncture a hole in your carpet but will leave an indent. The saucers under the spikes are to be used on a hard service like floors or tile to keep the spikes from scratching.

Hope above helps.
post #189 of 263
Thanks. Bass it a bit boomy, so I'll try and put them farther away from the window
post #190 of 263

Venere in wood finish shortly....does any one have a good Sonus Faber willing to deal?

post #191 of 263
There are some very nice Sonus Faber brand new on ebay... Also, wood is an upcharge I think 300 bucks in the Venere line.
post #192 of 263
I am looking to sell two pairs of 802Ds so I can buy the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE
post #193 of 263
Anyone heard the Toy and the Venere? I really liked the Venere but have heard besides where it is made...the sound is somewhat more forward that is traditional for Sonus Faber.
post #194 of 263
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Anyone heard the Toy and the Venere? I really liked the Venere but have heard besides where it is made...the sound is somewhat more forward that is traditional for Sonus Faber.

Venere are quite nice!
post #195 of 263
I have a Toy 5.0 system (in black clad leather), and their sound is as about as good as it gets.(for me). Their sound signature is on the warm side, which I
prefer. The Toy towers size and specs are similar to the Venere 2.5 towers. Same when it comes to the center of both lines.
Monitors of the Venere are similar to the Toy monitors ( used as surrounds for me). Price of these lines are similar. I got the Toys about 2 1/2 yrs ago,
and drove 60 miles (one way) to hear them (even though the local Maganolia...the seperate store, had them in stock). I also got 1/3 off
the list price, so in the end it was worth the drive.

.http://www.hometheater.com/content/sonus-faber-toyrel-t1-speaker-system (don't have the Rel sub in the article, but dual Power Sound Audio
XV-15's)

I really love the styling of the Venere line, and I have an idea they sound similar to the Toys (JMO.....don't know) Maybe as Newbie01 alludes to,
they have a more "forward" sound. I wish the Venere's were out when I was looking, because I like the style better, and since I'm
more geared toward home theater, I might of liked that forward sound a little better. But the Toy collection is not going anywhere. I've
had enough (to many) speakers, and am done upgrading.

Still, I think I'll head over to Magnolia Audio Store (10 miles away), and give them a look and listen.....just for comparison sake biggrin.gif .

vardo
post #196 of 263
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Originally Posted by vardo View Post

I have a Toy 5.0 system (in black clad leather), and their sound is as about as good as it gets.(for me). Their sound signature is on the warm side, which I
prefer. The Toy towers size and specs are similar to the Venere 2.5 towers. Same when it comes to the center of both lines.
Monitors of the Venere are similar to the Toy monitors ( used as surrounds for me). Price of these lines are similar. I got the Toys about 2 1/2 yrs ago,
and drove 60 miles (one way) to hear them (even though the local Maganolia...the seperate store, had them in stock). I also got 1/3 off
the list price, so in the end it was worth the drive.

.http://www.hometheater.com/content/sonus-faber-toyrel-t1-speaker-system (don't have the Rel sub in the article, but dual Power Sound Audio
XV-15's)

I really love the styling of the Venere line, and I have an idea they sound similar to the Toys (JMO.....don't know) Maybe as Newbie01 alludes to,
they have a more "forward" sound. I wish the Venere's were out when I was looking, because I like the style better, and since I'm
more geared toward home theater, I might of liked that forward sound a little better. But the Toy collection is not going anywhere. I've
had enough (to many) speakers, and am done upgrading.

Still, I think I'll head over to Magnolia Audio Store (10 miles away), and give them a look and listen.....just for comparison sake biggrin.gif .

vardo

Let me know what you think... I did and still like the Venere allot...it is the cost that got me 3500 3.0, 800 center, 1200 surrounds ... Also not a big fan of the small MTM center... That being said...since the Venere are so new nothing is on used market where I see the Toys all the time on Audiologin for 1500 bucks for the towers.
post #197 of 263
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Anyone heard the Toy and the Venere? I really liked the Venere but have heard besides where it is made...the sound is somewhat more forward that is traditional for Sonus Faber.

I have listened to the Toy Towers quite a bit in the past as I had planned on purchasing a pair for myself. I loved the way they sounded, very laid back, smooth rolled-off treble, felt like I could listen to them for hours. I have listened to the Venere 2.5 a few times and they sounded almost the same to me, albeit a bit bassier than the Toys. Still sounds like a SF speaker, just not a fan of the look/build quality. They feel cheaper and the cabinet is definitely more resonant than the Toy was, i'd still take a pair though smile.gif
post #198 of 263
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

I have listened to the Toy Towers quite a bit in the past as I had planned on purchasing a pair for myself. I loved the way they sounded, very laid back, smooth rolled-off treble, felt like I could listen to them for hours. I have listened to the Venere 2.5 a few times and they sounded almost the same to me, albeit a bit bassier than the Toys. Still sounds like a SF speaker, just not a fan of the look/build quality. They feel cheaper and the cabinet is definitely more resonant than the Toy was, i'd still take a pair though smile.gif

MADE IN CHINA FOR VERY CHEAP
post #199 of 263
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

MADE IN CHINA FOR VERY CHEAP

I have owned the Toy Towers (in original "barred leather" finish) for almost 3 years now, and love them. They are truly amazing little gems and in a small to medium sized room one could hardly ask for more, specially if they are properly set-up and dialed in. I use mine with a Prima Luna DiaLogue One integrated tube amp and the sound is glorious. I can listen for hours on end with no fatigue whatsoever, and often do. The Toys offer an incredible (and rare) balance between the warmth, sweetness and delicacy that made Sonus faber so treasured by audiophiles around the globe and yet they also don't disappoint as front channels in a Home Theater setting. I don't own a subwoofer and I don't feel like I miss one.

I agree with those who think the Venere models look "cheaper" compared to the rest of the Sonus family, including the Toy series, even though I do realize I am in the minority here. I have posted extensively about my... let's just say "disappointment" with this new Chinese line (the Venere series) and, regardless of whether this makes perfect business sense or not in today's market, the simple fact remains that this new enterprise goes considerably against the founding rules and principles of what made Sonus faber special in the first place. Then again, the company was sold by its owner and founder many years ago and acquired by a big investment firm, so things were bound to change one way or the other. I can not blame them for wanting larger profit margins and a bigger market penetration.

Having said that, though, what I still don't understand is why everybody seems to be praising the Venere models to high heavens exclusively on the wings of their "affordability", when in fact the Toy Towers (made in Italy, and beautifully finished by hand in leather) and the Venere 2.5 are pretty much the same price. I paid about $2500 for my Toy Towers and they can and could be had for less back then. They just never received the same amount of press, for whatever reason. They are not cheap by any means, but if I am going to spend that kind of money why not go with something that is actually made in Italy by artisans and folks making a decent living wage and receiving employment incentives that benefit the local economy? And from what I have read, the Towers retain more of the "traditional" Sonus faber sound, while the Venere offer a more "forward" and "modern" approach with bolder bass and more "in your face" mids. Again, I'd rather go with the Toys. If the Venere were selling for about $1500 it'd be a different story, but the 3.0 is, in fact, a +/- $4K model, more if you add wood veneers... What is so "great" and "affordable" about those prices?

Just my two cents.
post #200 of 263
^^^^agree

The MSRP of the 2.5 is the same as the toy towers were. The MSRP of the 1.5 is $500 more than the toy monitors, albeit the 1.5 are a lot bigger. Doesn't seem like a good value, just SF trying to cut corners.

Edit: what I don't get is how their build quality isn't even great for a Chinese-made speaker. The speakers I ended up with, the Monitor rx6 (a much cheaper speaker) is made in China but you would never know it because the finish and build are excellent.
Edited by fatuglyguy - 4/17/13 at 11:47am
post #201 of 263
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Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Let me know what you think... I did and still like the Venere allot...it is the cost that got me 3500 3.0, 800 center, 1200 surrounds ... Also not a big fan of the small MTM center... That being said...since the Venere are so new nothing is on used market where I see the Toys all the time on Audiologin for 1500 bucks for the towers.

I'll let you know what I think of the Venere's Newbie01. Of coarse nothing beats comparing speakers in your own listening environment.

As far as looks, I have only seen pictures of the Venere's.....actually seeing them, I may not care for the looks so much. Some people
wonder "why are you using them in a home theater setting"?.....and why not Klipsch, Slant 8's, or something that is dynamic?.
The answer is, the Toys in a home theater listening room are more than adequate! I'm lucky to have a dedicated room, with
treatments (many bass treatments, because bass is hard to get right in a room as small as mine....1900 cu ft).

And the subs I have are icing on the cake.
Seeing all the positive posts about the Toys since I posted has surely put a smile on my face smile.gif

vardo
post #202 of 263
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Originally Posted by vardo View Post

Seeing all the positive posts about the Toys since I posted has surely put a smile on my face smile.gif

vardo

I think the biggest weakness the Toy series had was its name. As superficial and silly as that may sound, I honestly believe audiophiles and snobs alike had a hard time taking them seriously because of this. Had Sonus faber opted to call them something along the lines of "Piccolos" or "Piccolinos", I'm sure the results would have been different. smile.gif

Michael Fremer gave them a glowing review in Home Theater magazine. They do represent great value. Too bad a lot of people consider them "home theater speakers" exclusively, when in fact they are much more than that...
post #203 of 263
The center channel on most of the Sonus Faber line ups...is not optimal. MTM without even a raised tweeter. I listened to the center and off axis listening, even 20 degree off axis, was non-existant.

I understand having and MTM offering but come on...put something out there if you are willing to spend 3500 on a L/R then I am sure 1500 to 2k is acceptable for center...that 800 dollar center may be great for some..but for real HT I want something more.

That being said I am running phantom with my current setup just fine (not Sonus Faber).

I did laugh at the name Toy...why not just shoot yourself in the foot and have done...oh..they already did tongue.gif

Still...I really enjoyed the 2.5 and especially the 3.0. If the Toy Towers are in the same type of sound then I may just be looking for a set...
post #204 of 263
Yep, the name "Toy" was lame at best. Sometimes when I tell someone about my system, and say I have Sonus Faber
Toys, they kinda smile.....like you have a Toy system for speakers?
I do feel that the name certainly didn't help with their popularity......at all.

Doesn't matter, I'm happy with the "Toys". And the towers are great for just listening to in stereo!

vardo
post #205 of 263
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Originally Posted by vardo View Post

Yep, the name "Toy" was lame at best. Sometimes when I tell someone about my system, and say I have Sonus Faber Toys, they kinda smile.....like you have a Toy system for speakers? I do feel that the name certainly didn't help with their popularity......at all. Doesn't matter, I'm happy with the "Toys". And the towers are great for just listening to in stereo! vardo

Yes bad marketing, they should have called them Concertino!
post #206 of 263
For those of you that don't get Home Theater Mag.....here's a review of the 2.5 Venere system.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/sonus-faber-venere-25-speaker-system

I think that review is what has given the Venere's their current popularity.

vardo

Edit: I think Sonus Faber ran a full page "add" on the Venere's in that same edition.
Edited by vardo - 4/22/13 at 6:30pm
post #207 of 263
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes bad marketing, they should have called them Concertino!

I think Sonus Faber already used Concertino...lol. Maybe instead of Toy's the "Bellissimo's"? biggrin.gif

vardo
post #208 of 263
I still cringe a little when I see that MTM center without even a raised tweeter and I really liked the Venere line.
post #209 of 263
Hello to everyone I have been a b&w owner now for a long time but I always wanted to try out sonus faber so I recently purchased a pair of original Cremona towers recently . They poped up locally so i purchased it .Unfortunately one speaker had a blown midrange so I have not been able to set them up and hear them yet ( luckily seller paid for replacement) . I am waiting for the replacement driver to arrive . Also I am looking for a Cremona center so if anyone has one or knows where I can get one for a good price let me know ( maple or graphite ) doesn't matter . Although I would prefer maple to match better the towers.

Also what multichannel amp would you recommend using with the Cremona system. 5.1

I have a integra 9.8 processor.
post #210 of 263
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Originally Posted by miamioutlaw04 View Post

Hello to everyone I have been a b&w owner now for a long time but I always wanted to try out sonus faber so I recently purchased a pair of original Cremona towers recently . They popes up locally so i purchased it .Unfortunately one speaker had a blown midrange so I have not been able to set them up and here them yet ( luckily seller paid for replacement) . I am waiting for the replacement driver to arrive . Also I am looking for a Cremona center so if anyone has one or knows where I can get one for a good price let me know ( maple or graphite ) doesn't matter . Although I would prefer maple to match better the towers.

Also what multichannel amp would you recommend using with the Cremona system. 5.1

I have a integra 9.8 processor.

Which B&W did you have?
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