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post #61 of 263
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Not sure why Sonus faber went with that anonymous, Best Buy look with the Liuto line of speakers. I much prefer the design of the Domus series. I like the way the Liuto series sounds over the Domus series, though.

Couldn't even begin to say. I must admit, though, that the look is clean and modern. No 'Best Buy' product has a finish quite that fine. Take a look for yourself, the lacquer black is flawless.
post #62 of 263
Here's my Sonus faber.



Sonus faber Elipsa
McIntosh MC275 (soon to be two)
McIntosh C2300
Pro-Ject RM5-SE

I usually listen to chamber music and jazz on this system on vinyl. The speakers are still being broken-in, but they're sounding better and better every day!
post #63 of 263
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Here's my Sonus faber.



Sonus faber Elipsa
McIntosh MC275 (soon to be two)
McIntosh C2300
Pro-Ject RM5-SE

I usually listen to chamber music and jazz on this system on vinyl. The speakers are still being broken-in, but they're sounding better and better every day!

Beautiful Speakers!
Do you, or are you planning to use a sub?
post #64 of 263
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Originally Posted by King Titus View Post

Beautiful Speakers!
Do you, or are you planning to use a sub?

Thanks! No sub planned. This is our living room and my wife won't tolerate any more audio equipment invasion. I do have a separate room dedicated to multichannel music, and I have an REL R505 there.
post #65 of 263
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Thanks! No sub planned. This is our living room and my wife won't tolerate any more audio equipment invasion. I do have a separate room dedicated to multichannel music, and I have an REL R505 there.



If you did use a sub with these speakers, where would you cross it over (HZ)?
I have been planning on buying Elipsa speakers myself for 2 channel music.
post #66 of 263
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Originally Posted by King Titus View Post

If you did use a sub with these speakers, where would you cross it over (HZ)?
I have been planning on buying Elipsa speakers myself for 2 channel music.

Since the Elipsa goes down to 35Hz, I'd probably start experimenting at around 45Hz or so, and go from there. It all depends on the room acoustics and the placement of the sub. For my multichannel setup, the mains are Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Concert Grands which goes way down to 28Hz range; I have it crossed at about 24Hz. This really isn't science, actually, so just use your ears. It's best if you have two people to do this so that one person can listen from the listening point while the other person moves/changes settings.
post #67 of 263
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Originally Posted by King Titus View Post

If you did use a sub with these speakers, where would you cross it over (HZ)?
I have been planning on buying Elipsa speakers myself for 2 channel music.

Start with the lowest x-over point possible and move up from there. Also, adjust gain first.
post #68 of 263
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Originally Posted by Dave Carr View Post

Couldn't even begin to say. I must admit, though, that the look is clean and modern. No 'Best Buy' product has a finish quite that fine. Take a look for yourself, the lacquer black is flawless.

I think Sonus faber was listening to me







post #69 of 263
The wood finish makes an improvement I have to say, though strake lines on the black like the Domus have would also improve the looks IMHO.
I finally got a chance to listen to the Liuto floor standers at Magnolia, I was not that impressed I like the sound of my Grand Piano Domus more, I admit the Liuto's sounded better in the mids, but the reason I bought the GP Domus speakers was that the highs were just right to my ear, bright and detailed but not harsh, and with no breakup, something not one of the other speakers I auditioned managed, I think it was a mistake for Sonus Faber to drop the ring radiator tweeter on the Liuto line.
post #70 of 263
I owned several pairs of Sonus Faber over the years and have never failed to be charmed by their unique and musical sound.

I originally wanted to be a GP Domus. At this part of the world where I am staying, the GP Domus is no longer available. Instead, I auditioned the Sonus Faber Liuto floorstander which were driven by a pair of high end tube pre and solid state power amp. I must say that the sound was very nice, as the highs were airy and not harsh, the sound was dynamic and not overly warmth and slow. This is one speaker which you can match with a slightly warm or neutral amp. Bass was good and string instrument sounded luscious. I prefer the slightly laid back sound of the Sonus Faber compared to say Dynaudios or B&Ws, both of which are slightly more in your face kind of speakers.

Needless to say, I booked one (Walnut finish) together with the Smart (which I will be using as part of my HT rig) and am awaiting for delivery.
post #71 of 263
I spent some time a couple nights ago with the new Luito towers, after listening to the Domus Concerto and Toy towers.
First the Toy Tower:
Nice cost effective little tower that'll fit most spaces and seems easy to drive (using 2 channel Aire amp). Great furniture looks that'll not attract attention. Warm sounding, not overly bright. Struggles to get loud and deep, but at low volumes does extend fairly well down low with good punch. Perhaps a little bloated in the mid-bass to make it sound bigger.
Next the Domus Concerto:
A bit more laid back in the top than the Toys. Definitely a great boost in the bass, despite it only being a 2-way, from the 3-way Toy Tower. I'd loved to hear the Domus Grand Piano. The Concerto wasn't as finicky about seating in the sweet spot as the Toys, but still likes you in the middle more than say some B&W's I've recently auditioned. Definitely a relaxing speaker, although, not always engaging. But, it also doesn't demand attention audio-wise. Perhaps I need to seek out a used set of Grand Pianos? Gloss black, anyone?
Finally, the Luito Tower:
Immediately I noticed the departure from the standard Sonus sound (Even from the Cremona M I've heard before). Not too harsh, but definitely a bit more analytical up top and more detailed. Not as analytical or revealing as B&W's S and D 800 series. Great volume capabilities without straining, and seemingly easier to drive. Salesman indicated he's driven them with smaller tube amps and smaller integrated amps with great results, versus their Domus line which doesn't like small power apparently. Bass extended deep and kept up with the kick bass punches at high volumes and the electric bass lines without compression. Really liked the speaker, but still had a hard time accepting that this was a Somus Faber, even with my limited time with this brand. Great looks in person, although, I prefer the top cap appointments of the Domus a bit more than the completely covered top of the Luito. Of course the Cremona puts them all to shame appearance wise and sound wise.
post #72 of 263
Picking up my Toy Towers and center tomorrow. I really liked them during my audition. Have to agree they are warm and maybe a bit bloated in the midbass (chesty?), but at their price point my favs (next to Theil Cs1.6's). I listened to vienna acosutics, thiels, definitive tech, polk, maggies, B&W's in the $2500-$3000 per pr range. Definately need a sub to augment the low end, though. Will post more detail later.
post #73 of 263
Anybody got first hand experience with the Cremona M? I love the looks of this beauty and have heard it quite a few times with different gear. But... to me it always seems as if the speaker doesn't want to give the sound away. It always sound a bit reserved, as if you're sitting in the back of the concert hall (and I like to be a bit more at the front). Does anyone recognize this trait? If so, is there a solution? In other words: How can I get the Cremona M to sound more upfront? I've listened to this baby on Krell, Audia Flight, Perraux, Conrad Johnson, Mystere, Electrocompaniet and Naim.

Thanks.
Frank
post #74 of 263
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Originally Posted by hulskof View Post

Anybody got first hand experience with the Cremona M? I love the looks of this beauty and have heard it quite a few times with different gear. But... to me it always seems as if the speaker doesn't want to give the sound away. It always sound a bit reserved, as if you're sitting in the back of the concert hall (and I like to be a bit more at the front). Does anyone recognize this trait? If so, is there a solution? In other words: How can I get the Cremona M to sound more upfront? I've listened to this baby on Krell, Audia Flight, Perraux, Conrad Johnson, Mystere, Electrocompaniet and Naim.

Thanks.
Frank

I just setup a pair of these in a customers home, and I must admit, I'm smitten. It did serve to remind me that most commercial sound rooms are really wretched. The average living room sounds better! Also, Sonus is typically warmer than much of its competition. This has its benefits, as harsher sounding recordings are more 'playable'.

Curious: Of the electronics that you listened to, which did you like the best?
post #75 of 263
That's a tough question to answer, since I've heard them at 5 different locations, my home included. I must admit they sounded best at home, but still too detatched, too reserved to my liking (I played them with Electrocomaniet at home). If memory serves me correctly I think it was with Perreaux they sounded least reserved, but the accoustic traits of the room (hard materials, not much curtains, fabric, etc) could also play a part in that.
post #76 of 263
No-one else?
post #77 of 263
Ayre C-5xeMP + Moon P8.RS / Moon W8.RS



Sonus Faber Amati Palladio










In situ for a week now and still running in, but loving it so far !!
post #78 of 263
Beautiful - almost makes me want a pair, but just picked up some 803D (nice as well). Love the finish on these Sonus - so much attention to detail. Tough decision - do you listen from about 10-15 feet or stand about 2 feet away to admire the craftsmanship and woodworking? Congrats.
post #79 of 263
I do a bit of both!!

Though once I start listening it can be difficult to stop ... I have to walk past my speakers to get to my CD player, to change discs, so can have 'another' look at the speakers each time I pass them!!

post #80 of 263
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Originally Posted by Dave Carr View Post

I just setup a pair of these in a customers home, and I must admit, I'm smitten. It did serve to remind me that most commercial sound rooms are really wretched. The average living room sounds better! Also, Sonus is typically warmer than much of its competition. This has its benefits, as harsher sounding recordings are more 'playable'.

Curious: Of the electronics that you listened to, which did you like the best?

I have been looking to upgrade my front speakers (Vienna Acoustic Mozart Grand's) and I was able to audition the Cremona M's here at a local a/v dealer. They are definetly easy on the eyes, they did not blow me away though, the way I expected speakers that's msrp is 4 times what I have now. I did appreciate the relaxed & smooth sound they produced. Anyway it was the dealers demo with about 400 to 500 hours and he was letting me have them for about $4500 below msrp. They sure do look nice and would fit well with my wife's decor. I just got the Classe SSP-800 pre/pro and it seemed like they might be a good fit?
post #81 of 263
Funny, many who have heard both have felt the same way. No doubt the SF's are superior, but maybe not at 3-4x the price.

IMO, you are paying for the craftsmanship of those beautiful cabinets which to many (admittedly myself included) is worth the price of admission.
post #82 of 263
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Funny, many who have heard both have felt the same way. No doubt the SF's are superior, but maybe not at 3-4x the price.

IMO, you are paying for the craftsmanship of those beautiful cabinets which to many (admittedly myself included) is worth the price of admission.

I'm beginning to think that a speaker like the Cremona M's that maybe leans to the relaxed, smooth & warmer side and maybe not as dynamic as say B&W 802D's, might be better for my brighter room ambiance. The dealer offered to bring them out to my house set them up and let me hear it there, saying that he felt that once I heard them in my house with my electronics that I'd be convinced I want them. I would hate for him to have to bring them to my house and set them all up and then not take them!
post #83 of 263
The Cremona can seem a bit polite, but take your dealer up on his offer and see how you like them in your home, with your gear. It could be the speaker for you, or you could puke on them.

A few years back after listening to some Vienna Acoustic Beethoven Grands at my dealer (I owned VA Mahler's in my two channel system) I decided I needed three pair for my HT system. I was offered the chance to listen to them at home and I didn't accept the offer. It was an expensive decision on my part, because once I got them home and set up, I really couldn't stand them. As soon as my dealer got me new speakers I gave them away to family members.

Your dealer is trying to sell a product, and you are trying to buy one. His offer is a business propositon that makes a lot of sense when it comes to this kind of money, take him up on it.
post #84 of 263
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I have been looking to upgrade my front speakers (Vienna Acoustic Mozart Grand's) and I was able to audition the Cremona M's here at a local a/v dealer. They are definetly easy on the eyes, they did not blow me away though, the way I expected speakers that's msrp is 4 times what I have now.

You pay for the woodworking for Sonus faber. Sound wise, I think the Cremona M is equivalent to the Beethoven Concert Grand. I would buy a pair of BCG unless you really want the look of the Cremona M.
post #85 of 263
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

You pay for the woodworking for Sonus faber. Sound wise, I think the Cremona M is equivalent to the Beethoven Concert Grand. I would buy a pair of BCG unless you really want the look of the Cremona M.

Actually that's a very good suggestion, Since I already have the Maestro Grand center and the Waltz Grands for surrounds. I will be able to keep the same tonality, same 4 ohm impedance, same 91db sensitivity. They essentially just look like a little taller version of what I have now (Mozart Grands) plus I can match them up perfectly color wise. They are also less expensive by a few grand so I can take my time and just enjoy and adjust to the new Classe SSP-800 processor I just got and see how that sounds with the Mozart Grands that I have been using, going on 5 years now. Do you know if they have made any design changes to the Beethoven Concert Grands recently? The web-site for this particular speaker seems to indicate this.
Thanks,
post #86 of 263
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Actually that's a very good suggestion, Since I already have the Maestro Grand center and the Waltz Grands for surrounds. I will be able to keep the same tonality, same 4 ohm impedance, same 91db sensitivity. They essentially just look like a little taller version of what I have now (Mozart Grands) plus I can match them up perfectly color wise. They are also less expensive by a few grand so I can take my time and just enjoy and adjust to the new Classe SSP-800 processor I just got and see how that sounds with the Mozart Grands that I have been using, going on 5 years now. Do you know if they have made any design changes to the Beethoven Concert Grands recently? The web-site for this particular speaker seems to indicate this.
Thanks,

I have the BCG, Maestro Grand, and Waltz Grand for multichannel and I love them so much. You can't go wrong with the BCG I use the Sonus faber Elipsa for 2 channel music.

The BCG hasn't changed since 2006 or 7, I can't remember. It's the current model, the previous model was simply called the Beethoven.
post #87 of 263
[quote=T-3G;17810983] You can't go wrong with the BCG

Uh, yeah, you can, I proved that.
post #88 of 263
[quote=KMC45;17811354]
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

You can't go wrong with the BCG

Uh, yeah, you can, I proved that.

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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

I have the BCG, Maestro Grand, and Waltz Grand for multichannel and I love them so much. You can't go wrong with the BCG I use the Sonus faber Elipsa for 2 channel music.

The BCG hasn't changed since 2006 or 7, I can't remember. It's the current model, the previous model was simply called the Beethoven.

I have a feeling the room ambiance plays in how these will sound. Since I like the way the Mozart Grands sound, I think the BCG's would probably would be a decent upgrade if the sound was close to being on par with the Cremona M's.
post #89 of 263
That's a big "if".

I mentioned earlier that I felt the Cremona could be a bit polite, the BCG are not just a bit polite, they ooze politeness. I always felt the need to turn them up, and for the intended use of HT, they just didn't have the dynamics I wanted. If I had felt different I would not have given them away.

T-3G and I own the Elipsa, we both like them. But, how we power them says some things about us. He does so with McIntosh MC275's, and the C2300, tubes. I use McIntosh MC1.2KW's, and the C1000/C1000P, SS. He says he listens to music from his heart, I don't have a heart.

If you like what you have, but just feel the need to "upgrade", you will probably be very happy with the BCG. Go listen to them, and don't worry what anyone says about them on an internet forum, either good, or bad.
post #90 of 263
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Originally Posted by KMC45 View Post

That's a big "if".

I mentioned earlier that I felt the Cremona could be a bit polite, the BCG are not just a bit polite, they ooze politeness. I always felt the need to turn them up, and for the intended use of HT, they just didn't have the dynamics I wanted. If I had felt different I would not have given them away.

T-3G and I own the Elipsa, we both like them. But, how we power them says some things about us. He does so with McIntosh MC275's, and the C2300, tubes. I use McIntosh MC1.2KW's, and the C1000/C1000P, SS. He says he listens to music from his heart, I don't have a heart.

If you like what you have, but just feel the need to "upgrade", you will probably be very happy with the BCG. Go listen to them, and don't worry what anyone says about them on an internet forum, either good, or bad.

Yup, sound is personal, and your ears may or may not agree with other people's ears. Some people like Fuji apples, while others like Granny Smith

The choice of speakers depends on what kind of music you listen to. I listen to classical so obviously I want speakers that can reproduce the sound of natural instruments faithfully. I don't want speakers that turn the sound of viola into cello, I want to be able to distinguish between the sound of big drum vs. double bass, etc. Both VA and SF do this very well. VA is warmer, while SF maintains warmth and more detail.

I use tubes because they sound beautiful and less fatiguing. I am very sensitive to piercing high frequency sound and some SS amps make violins very piercing, especially at higher volumes. Again, this is a personal experience, and does not apply to everyone.

Since mt14942 likes the sound of Mozart Grand, I think the BCG would make most sense. I used to have a pair of MG's myself, and I upgraded to the BCG and never looked back. The BCG has much sweeter highs, scale, and authority than the MG.
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