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post #61 of 354
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Originally Posted by mpauline View Post

A quick question for 7500 owners. I watched the Dark Knight today on a Pioneer Blu Ray player and I found the image on the 7500 to be problematic for my tastes. I found that if you look closely that you can see digital noise, for lack of a better term. In the scene where Bruce Wayne is sleeping in the boardroom, and many other scenes, the picture appears to have crawlies where you can almost see the pixels moving. This is not screen door effect as you cannot really see the pixels it is just that there appears to be digital noise that appears to be creeping. Also I noticed that in some of the shots of the daylight shots of the cityscape you can see digital noise (moire) on the buildings. Is this normal or is the source (Blu Ray player) causing this?

Have you played w/ the noise reduction setting in the setup? i'm wondering what effect that will have on your display?

Aceman
post #62 of 354
No I don't own the 7500. I was checking it out as I like the idea of spending less than the Sim2 Domino 80e that I was planning on buying. However the image quality was not acceptable. I will go back and check it out again to see if they had the noise reduction off. It is also possible that the Pioneer Blu Ray player introduced the noise or the processor that the video signal went through.
post #63 of 354
Crawling dancing pixels I have only seen with DLP. Jason said on another thread it is the mirrors moving you are seeing. It's the reason I went with
3LCD over DLP. 3LCD does not have this. Must be something to do with the player. My Sony BDP-S550 and original Epson 1080 (non UB) does not have the dancing pixels. Hard to imagine the 2 generations newer 7500 does this.
post #64 of 354
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Originally Posted by mpauline View Post

No I don't own the 7500. I was checking it out as I like the idea of spending less than the Sim2 Domino 80e that I was planning on buying. However the image quality was not acceptable. I will go back and check it out again to see if they had the noise reduction off. It is also possible that the Pioneer Blu Ray player introduced the noise or the processor that the video signal went through.

I currently own a Pro 1080UB, with a DaLite Hi Power screen, and TDK is stunning via my 5000es - nothing close to what you describe. So unless the 7500 took some giant leap backwards (which I hope not since I have one on order!), I would say there was another factor contributing to what you saw. Was it a perf screen? (which can sometimes create visual artifacts).
post #65 of 354
I have a Pioneer Blu-Ray BDP-05 hooked up via hdmi to a Pioneer SC-07 receiver then out to my projector via HDMI on to a Stewart FireHawk G3 100 inch screen (non perf). I am currently using a 1080UB (on loan) but my 7500 has arrived at the dealer and I hope to have it installed within the next few days. The picture when we watched TDK using the 1080UB was outstanding, IMHO, and I can't imagine the 7500 to be worse.
post #66 of 354
That is what I was thinking also! They must have an issue with an HDMI cable, or the AV processor as I saw the 1080UB and I thought it looked great. That is the whole reason that I am considering the 7500 or 6500 instead of spending twice as much on the Sim2 Domino 80e. I will go back tomorrow and see if they can fix the problem so that i can properly judge the image quality.
post #67 of 354
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Originally Posted by mpauline View Post

That is what I was thinking also! They must have an issue with an HDMI cable, or the AV processor as I saw the 1080UB and I thought it looked great. That is the whole reason that I am considering the 7500 or 6500 instead of spending twice as much on the Sim2 Domino 80e. I will go back tomorrow and see if they can fix the problem so that i can properly judge the image quality.

Sounds like you know the folks at the dealer, so they will hopefully let you swap a cable or two especially if you point out some of the flaws you indicated. I had some guests over tonight and they were commenting on how clear (their words not mine) the picture was on the screen. We did not watch a movie, just a quick demo of TDK and some HD from my Rogers HD box.
post #68 of 354
I saw the attached rebate for the 7500 earlier in this thread. I called epson to see if they know anything about it and they have no info on this promotion nor is it on their web site. I also called my local dealer and he has no info on any rebates for this machine. Anyone submitted this rebate yet?

 

7500rebate.pdf 98.51171875k . file
post #69 of 354
I had an email from a dealer recently that said the 7500 had "the same rebate" as the 6500 after which I ordered the 7500. As I found the form here but not on the Epson site, I sent the following to Epson, and will post the final reponse once I receive it.


-----Original Message-----
From: epsonstore@ea.epson.com [mailto:epsonstore@ea.epson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:34 AM
To: XXXXXXXX
Subject: Epson Store

Thank you for contacting the Epson Store. This is an automated response to your email. A response to your email will be sent to you within two business days (excluding major holidays).

Are the $200 and $100 (AVS member) rebates offered on the 6500UB also available if I order the 7500UB? If so, when do these rebates expire?

Thanks,

Jim
post #70 of 354
The AVS rebate is only on the 6500. The 7500 can only be sold by local pro installer dealers.
post #71 of 354
I have the 7500 on order. Anyone have any updates and news on how it compares to the 1080 UB?
post #72 of 354
Does anyone have any specs on the mount that comes with the 7500. How far it hangs down? the mounting plate size? and is it adjustable. I would also like to know if anyone has found the manual for the 7500 on line? Thanks in advance.
post #73 of 354
I went and checked out the EPS 7500 today and WOW!!! I also looked at several other projectors and this was an easy choice(although I cant say any of the others would not have been a good choice as well).
I am going to order mine on monday and I can't wait to get it set up. Now I have to decide on the appropriate screen over the weekend.
I watched scenes from Dark Knight, Speed Racer, Casino Royale and Ratatouille. I also watched a little of one of the bowl games. The Interpolation works well with sports and it was very interesting with Ratatouille. I cant say that I would prefer it that way, but it really did make it pop and gave a little 3D feel. Again, not sure if I would prefer it.
I had them turn it off for the other movies. It handled all 3 beyond my expectations coming in.

For the price, the 7500 package is a can't miss value.

Now the wait begins!!!!

PS-Any screen advice is welcome. I am going to get a 92". Will be in a room with Ambient light, which can go from bright, moderate and bat cave. I plan on watching sports and HDTV in ambient light, then watching bluray, sports, ps3/360 in bat cave(tiny amount sometimes of light). I'm debating between the Stewart Firehawk SST/G3, Grayhawk and Da-Lite. I'm new to the HT projector world(upgrading from samsung 6187 DLP)

I am going to do 2 rows of 4. The room is 14ft wide by 21ft long. I'm guessing my sweet spot will be in the 12-14ft range(I like to be able to see the whole screen without straining my eyes). Ambient light comes in from a window and sliding door on the right side. Door will be behind 2nd row of seats.

Can't wait to officially join the owners club!!!
post #74 of 354
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

The AVS rebate is only on the 6500. The 7500 can only be sold by local pro installer dealers.

I spoke with 2 different local dealers in MI today. They both said they can offer the $200 rebate on the 7500!!
post #75 of 354
Or are they just giving you 200 off the price? If so I got a place that will sell way off the msrp!
post #76 of 354
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Originally Posted by wrb57 View Post

Or are they just giving you 200 off the price? If so I got a place that will sell way off the msrp!

No, it is a $200 mail in rebate for the 7500. I'm having trouble finding dealers willing to go too far below msrp with this model. With the 6500, the guy was willing to throw in toasters and walk my dog.
post #77 of 354
There is a $200 rebate on the 6500 & 7500. The extra AVS rebate was only on the 6500
post #78 of 354
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides View Post

No, it is a $200 mail in rebate for the 7500. I'm having trouble finding dealers willing to go too far below msrp with this model. With the 6500, the guy was willing to throw in toasters and walk my dog.

If it is a Big Dog... it might be worthwhile!
post #79 of 354
I have contacted EPSON directly and they do not have a rebate on the 7500 only the 6500. Go to the epson web site and see for yourself. I have also asked my dealer and he does not know of any rebates. If you find out something different let me know because I would love to get an extra 200 off.
post #80 of 354
My dealer here in Canada knows nothing of a rebate for the 7500 and I cannot find anything on the Epson Canada site either. Would be nice though
post #81 of 354
The $200 rebate for the 7500 can be downloaded from page one on this thread post 23. The $100 second rebate is for AVS members only on the 6500.
post #82 of 354
I called 2 other HT stores in my area and the both offered up the rebate when they quoted price. They also said they have price flexibility on the 6500, but not the 7500.
I still think the 7500 is worth the extra cash considering what is included in the package.
post #83 of 354
my dealer has a few of the 7500's in, and i agree, with the $200 rebate, this package is about impossible to beat.

PM me if you want his info.
post #84 of 354
The price of the mount they provide is over priced. You can get a better mount such as a Chief for around $150.00. I have been quoted less than $300 for the lamp. I am still buying the 7500.
post #85 of 354
I think I'm going to buy the 7500UB this week. If that $200 rebate is legit, that's a great deal. My local installer said that while he can't offer a lower price (due to Epson's strict pricing control), he could offer me free installation, which is nice -- I don't have to worry about accidentally dropping it while putting it on the ceiling.
post #86 of 354
Hello all -

I was planning on going with the Sony HW-10, but just purchased the 7500UB last night. After the deal I got, and the specs of the PJ, I was sold om this being the best option for me.

This is my first PJ purchase, as the CRT PJ I currently own came with my house. The feedback here is really good, as I am studying up so that I am ready when the PJ arrives. Thanks for all the knowledge sharing.

Rob
post #87 of 354
I think the 7500 will be an excellent purchase for many... but I think it is important to really understand what you are paying for.

As has been pointed out bulb's can be purchased for $300 and better mounts for $150.

So you are paying $550 for a black projector instead of a white one..., an extra year of warranty (which is a good thing), scaling for an external anamorphic lens, and a couple of extra memory locations that can only be accessed by someone with ISF training.

The ISF "certification" that many folks get excited about is just an accreditation that the projector can be adjusted to ISF spec's... many think this means that it comes already calibrated... it does NOT it just means it has the capability of being calibrated and it has the protected ISF memory locations....

As an anamorphic lens is going to cost as much as the projector... not many folks are going to opt for that solution... actually Panasonics software 2.35 solution is really neat (pity their projector has not improved in Quality... but I digress).

So you are really paying for the color of the projector, an extra year of warranty, and the two memory slots you cannot use unless you spend another $450 and have an ISF tech come and calibrate your projector.

As I said... for some this may be a really good deal..., as long as you understand what you are buying.

Caveat Emptor
post #88 of 354
Hihostevo, Nice concise comparison of the 2 PJ's. Could you, or anyone, please explain in more detail what is meant by "scaling capabilities for an external anamorphic lens" that the 7500 has? I definitely plan to add an "A" lens, so this may be a crucial difference. Thanks
post #89 of 354
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Originally Posted by HiHoStevo View Post

I think the 7500 will be an excellent purchase for many... but I think it is important to really understand what you are paying for.

I've seen many people state that Epson uses the "cream of the crop" LCD panels for the 7500UB as well, and that the rest of them go to the 6500UB line. Not sure if that's true or not though.
post #90 of 354
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Originally Posted by jclem View Post

Hihostevo, Nice concise comparison of the 2 PJ's. Could you, or anyone, please explain in more detail what is meant by "scaling capabilities for an external anamorphic lens" that the 7500 has? I definitely plan to add an "A" lens, so this may be a crucial difference. Thanks

The scaling simply means that when playing a movie (e.g., on Blu-ray) that has a recorded image with a 2.35 or 2.40 aspect ratio (i.e, a cinemascope) and that has black bars at the top and bottom, the projector's video processor can vertically stretch the image by a factor of 1.33. This means the black bars at the top and bottom are no longer being displayed but the everything in the projected image appear 33% too tall as compared to their width. Then when you add an external anamorphic lens it will stetch the image horizontal by a factor of 1.33 which restores the overall aspect ratio of the displayed image to what it should be. This allows you use a 2.35 or 2.40 aspect ratio screen instead of the HD standard 1.78 ratio screen. However, when watching normal HDTV material (i.e., without using the peojector's vertical stretch and without using the anamorphic lens) that is recorded in 1.78 ratio (i.e., 16 x 9 material) you will now have vertical black bars on the right and left sides of the screen.
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