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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am in the market for a 50" high end plasma that will go in a very bright room of decent size.

Will be mating the TV with a brand new Anthem AVM50 as well.

Should I just be going with the latest Pioneer Kuro and shut up or is there something else worth considering?

Any and all information is greatly appreciated!
post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by pjonkheer View Post


Should I just be going with the latest Pioneer Kuro and shut up or is there something else worth considering?

go with the kuro and shut up
post #3 of 23
No need to be quite, but the Kuro series PDPs are currently the best flat panel displays available.
post #4 of 23
Kuro is the way to go.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by pjonkheer View Post

I am in the market for a 50" high end plasma that will go in a very bright room of decent size.

Will be mating the TV with a brand new Anthem AVM50 as well.

Should I just be going with the latest Pioneer Kuro and shut up or is there something else worth considering?

Any and all information is greatly appreciated!

Consider a high-end LCD panel instead. I say this because of your description of your room as "very bright." Plasmas are best suited for lower-to-dark ambient light conditions to reduce reflections off the glass and really make their advantages shine. There's also the risk of permanent image retention because you will feel pressure to turn your brightness and contrast settings to torchlight levels in order to achieve a bright enough picture in a very bright room.

An LCD panel with a matte screen will reduce glare/reflections to almost nothing, and you can even crank the brightness to torchlight levels w/o risking burn-in. And these days, there are several high-quality pictures on LCD available in the 50" category.

Kuro's are the best picture, plasma or LCD, but NOT for a "very bright" room, as you describe. HQ LCD is the way to go for your needs. Even if you weren't risking burn-in, you will still regret that highly-reflective glass panel of a plasma in your bright setting. You want the matte screen.

~ Crag
post #6 of 23
What do you currently have in this bright room?
post #7 of 23
The Pioneer 111FD would be a solid choice.

Chris
post #8 of 23
Personally I believe if you are planning to spend some money on a high-end display, spending some $ on some light control (blinds etc) is in your interest. Do you watch mostly in the evening, or during the day?

Excessive ambient light hurts critical viewing of any display. So there is a sense that placing a high-end display in a very bright environment is counter-intuitive. With that being said, the kuros have very good anti-reflective coating along with top-notch PQ in every category imaginable. Room lighting is no problem at all. Direct sunlight can still lower the percieved PQ.

I think it comes down to viewing habits. As long as you are planning to watch say more than 50 percent in the evening, the benefits of a kuro will be seen often enough to definitely make it worthwhile. If you are planning to watch during the day only, I would personally not spend very much on any display. In this case, window blinds or the purchase of a low-end display are the options that make sense, imo.

Of course you could just get the kuro and ignore all this. It will still look great, its just you will be missing out on some of what it has to offer if there is sunlight pouring in during all of your viewing.
post #9 of 23
At this time the Pioneer PRO-111FD is about the best you can get. If that is a little pricy the Pioneer PDP-5020FD or Pioneer PDP-5010FD are nice runner ups.
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post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by pjonkheer View Post

I am in the market for a 50" high end plasma that will go in a very bright room of decent size.

Just how bright is this room going to be?

are we talking average ambient light or a Heavy amount of ambient light?

This could play a big part in which flat panel you will get the best picture out of.
post #11 of 23
Take a look at Cnet's list of the best HDTVs overall.........

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-high-definition-tvs/
post #12 of 23
Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro111 or Elite Signature Pro101. and just try and keep your mouth shut when you see the pic it delivers.
post #13 of 23
If it's truly a bright room, you should consider the Samsung 950 series LCD.

At least one Elite owner has expressed a preference for it in his bright room.
post #14 of 23
If the Kuro is too pricey, go with a Panny. I have a panny in a very bright room that let in lots of light and haven't had an issue at all. In fact the 60" Sony LCD that I use to have in the living room there got washed out very easily by light. The Panny LCD in my bedroom also gets washed out easier in the daytime. I went with plasma as my main gaming tv just because of this.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro111 or Elite Signature Pro101. and just try and keep your mouth shut when you see the pic it delivers.

I would agree and there is a AVS dealer powerbuy on those right now here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...?do=ad&id=8235
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

I would agree and there is a AVS dealer powerbuy on those right now here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...?do=ad&id=8235

+1!!!! And you better hurry up and get one while there are some still
available because that is a smoking hot deal on the best HDTV
that money can buy!!!!
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks to everyone for their helpful responses. The room has one wall with large windows on it which face EAST so at least the sun does not set in that location. I currently have a 50" Fujitsu plasma set which was about the best you could buy at the time and have not noticed any major issues with ambient light during the day. Yes, it's definitely not ideal but from what I can tell there would be little to no differnence with an LCD. I guess it just really depends on how good the anti-glare functionality of the set is.

Someone asked how much viewing goes on during the day versus at night and I would have to say it's about 30% for the day time hours with the remaining in the evening or night time.

The fujitsu is a very bright plasma which I believe helps for daytime viewing. Is it safe to assume the Kuro is as bright or brighter? I remember when shopping for a plasma when I bought the Fujitsu and noticing the Pioneer displays were noticeably more dim.

Thanks again everyone!
post #18 of 23
Yea coming from Fujitsu Pioneer Elite is the way to go. It is dimmer than LCD's but most find it just perfect.
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

+1!!!! And you better hurry up and get one while there are some still
available because that is a smoking hot deal on the best HDTV
that money can buy!!!!

Had no idea about this. Just sent a PM to Roman for more details. Thanks!
post #20 of 23
Bright smright!

Some people hate the direct sunlight, and love the shade. Coulors look better in the shade, oh and black cars look better in the shade...I heard somewhere.

So down with the over bright, overexposed look. Give your eyes the comfort they deserve.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by pjonkheer View Post

I am in the market for a 50" high end plasma that will go in a very bright room of decent size.

Will be mating the TV with a brand new Anthem AVM50 as well.

Should I just be going with the latest Pioneer Kuro and shut up or is there something else worth considering?

Any and all information is greatly appreciated!

Look at the Samsung 760 series, the Panasonic 800 series, and of course what everyone has mentioned, the Pioneer Kuro line. Any of those 3 will meet your needs and your choice will be based on your preference.
post #22 of 23
I'll tell you right now, with the ISFccc modes activated, the Pioneer 111FD is hands down the brightest plasma you can find even post calibration. My own Pro-111 is just to the right of 3 large windows which bring in a significant amount of ambient light during the day and the 55 or 56 fL Im currently getting out of my ISF Day A/V mode is more than enough to combat it.
post #23 of 23
Kuro is the best I've seen.
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