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post #1051 of 5221
9/1/09 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by silentmobius View Post

I've been following this thread recently and saving up to buy a mythos sts + three.

Did anyone notice that Amazon's price for the silver mythos sts went from 999.33 to 1499.99 overnight last night? Was pretty tempted to pull the trigger and now am wishing that I did! Anyone know if this is a glitch or a permanent change in price for the rest of the year?

I've watched this sort of thing happen on Amazon many times. There doesn't seem to be a predicable pattern. I've concluded that if I want something at the price offered I should decide quickly, as there is no telling what tomorrow's price will be or if it will ever be as low again (of couse, sometimes it goes even lower after I buy ).

You might check forum sponsors as well local dealers. Some will negotiate. I bought mine (black) locally for the same price you saw on Amazon.
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post #1052 of 5221
9/1/09 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

I've watched this sort of thing happen on Amazon many times. There doesn't seem to be a predicable pattern. I've concluded that if I want something at the price offered I should decide quickly, as there is no telling what tomorrow's price will be or if it will ever be as low again (of couse, sometimes it goes even lower after I buy ).

You might check forum sponsors as well local dealers. Some will negotiate. I bought mine (black) locally for the same price you saw on Amazon.

Just got off the phone with a local dealer here in PA. He didn't seem too pleased that I was checking Amazon prices in the first place and said he wouldn't appreciated it if I came and auditioned the speakers and then turned around and bought from Amazon.

I understand his point but it still was a bit of a turn off from even trying to go in and audition them.

He also said that he could give a discount but declined to specify on how over the phone. Again, well understood from his point of view, but I'm guessing it's no where near the fire sale discount on the silver STS speakers that Amazon was doing. (Probably like $100 or $200 for the pair.)

Is everyone else paying MSRP for these speakers? Paying full retail in this economy seems a little... foolish.
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post #1053 of 5221
9/1/09 at 12:37pm
Need some help from mythos owners... I have a set of M8's, is the baffle cover underneath the grill have a speckled kind of finish to them??? Or is it supposed to be a smooth black finish? I have a set that looks like when you spray armor all on them and dont wipe it off right away. The store I bought them from is telling me thats how the finish is......The closer I look the more feasible it sounds but I want to be sure. Thanks
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post #1054 of 5221
9/1/09 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Mantis10 View Post

The cable is called a 16-4 or 14-4 depending on the guage. 4 conductor if you will. The colors will be red and black for right channel and white and green for left channel , green being negitive.
What you do is called a "loop". You run the cable to the first speaker, then loop the wire leaving enough to connect the speaker and have alittle extra for repair , then run the wire to the next speaker.
To open the cable , use a high quality Data T stripper. These cutter/strippers have curved blades on them for cutting outer jackets and not damaging the conductors jacket. open up and find the pull string. then use the pull string to open the wire so you have about 6 inches of exposed wires. Mark the "amp end" with an arrow pointing to the amp and on the other side mark " speaker end" pointing at the wire going to the other speaker. This is so you don't lose the signal flow. Cut the correct colors for the speaker you are at and allow the other 2 colors to pass by to the next speaker.

Of course I bought 12 gauge from monoprice and my surround stands won't accept 12 gauge it says! Ha! Go figure.....So, in using this technique, can I open the outer jacket and pull out/send several feet worth of the inner wires up the stand, or does the jacket need to be preserved over longer distances? That just might fit......Front three speakers sound great so far!
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post #1055 of 5221
9/1/09 at 5:43pm
6th ave NYP

Don't look for 6th to offer any more deals on DT's. They got stung with selling them at such sweet deals.

Bummer, was hoping for one NYP to steal some ST's
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post #1056 of 5221
9/2/09 at 7:28am
I have 2002's and a 2500 center and am thinking about switching to mythos 1's and an 8 for my center. I would like to hear from someone else who has switched to mythos from bp's. Are u happy?

95 percent of my usage is for HT.

Thank u,

Wes
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post #1057 of 5221
9/2/09 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

I have 2002's and a 2500 center and am thinking about switching to mythos 1's and an 8 for my center. I would like to hear from someone else who has switched to mythos from bp's. Are u happy?

95 percent of my usage is for HT.

Thank u,

Wes

I just did almost the exact same thing. I went from BP30's and CLR2000 to
M1's and M8's. I think the M's are much cleaner. When I listen to both music and movies the voice clarity is much better. I have been hearing subtle differences in music and movies that I hadn't heard prior. Acoustic guitars sound life like now. The imaging is just better IMO. I was a little concerned about lack of midrange but the M1's are pretty punchy when played alone, not as much as a BP but the trade off is worth it. I have a reference sub anyhow and with it on I can't tell a difference. I am really happy with the change over. I wanted more room in my living room and making the switch cut down tremendously on the clutter. The mythos are a really good looking speaker I pulled the grills off and have been using them like that for a couple of days because I like looking at them so much lol. I wouldn't go back to what I had. I might even be tempted to keep the mythos even if I moved into a bigger house with more room where the BP's wouldn't be as intrusive..... Anyhow if you have a good sub make the change I think you will enjoy it as well.
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post #1058 of 5221
9/2/09 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

6th ave NYP

Don't look for 6th to offer any more deals on DT's. They got stung with selling them at such sweet deals.

Bummer, was hoping for one NYP to steal some ST's

i could never understand how they could sell speakers below dealer cost unless they were getting better deals then the smaller dealers because of their large buying power
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post #1059 of 5221
9/2/09 at 9:44am
I am new to having a speaker/receiver system. My last audio system was an 8 year old Sony HT 5.1 which is now relegated to the basement. For the family room, which opens out to the kitchen (18x30 total), I have a Sony 46Z lcd that I'd like to pair with Mythos 5 for L/R and 7 for center.

I have not heard or read much about Mythos 5. Is it a good line?

I plan to get a sub later but would not be getting the rears. This set up is for tv movies and listening to music, 70:30 ratio. I plan on using Pio 819 for the receiver. Tia.
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post #1060 of 5221
9/2/09 at 1:44pm
I have a simple question for you guys. I recently purchased a whole definitive setup.

BP6 - Front R,L
Bp1.2x-Surround
Supercube III-sub
Center- C/L/R 2300

My question is would I have been better off going with a C/L/R 2002 because the rest of my components don't have a built in sub. I know it will help the overall low end response in addition with the dedicated sub "Cube". Thanks for the input.
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post #1061 of 5221
9/2/09 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by threelions View Post

I have a simple question for you guys. I recently purchased a whole definitive setup.

BP6 - Front R,L
Bp1.2x-Surround
Supercube III-sub
Center- C/L/R 2300

My question is would I have been better off going with a C/L/R 2002 because the rest of my components don't have a built in sub. I know it will help the overall low end response in addition with the dedicated sub "Cube". Thanks for the input.

the clr2002 would have been better because it's more important to match up the mid-drivers than it is to have a "sub" in your center that really doesn't even add all that much extension to begin with
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post #1062 of 5221
9/2/09 at 2:22pm
Do you think the actual sound thats created will be noticeable?
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post #1063 of 5221
9/2/09 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by threelions View Post

Do you think the actual sound thats created will be noticeable?

yes. you want to have every tweeter and mid-range in your system perfectly matched, especially the front 3 channels for perfect timbre matching and seamless panning of sound from channel to channel
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post #1064 of 5221
9/2/09 at 4:53pm
would a few of you mind offering your suggestions on speaker wiring or cabling that you use for your setups.

Thank You for all the help.
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post #1065 of 5221
9/2/09 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by threelions View Post

would a few of you mind offering your suggestions on speaker wiring or cabling that you use for your setups.

Thank You for all the help.

I use monster cable speaker wire, and the for pre amp cables I would check out monoprice they have extremelt inexpensive cables for pre amp to amp cables. I have had the high end cables and the cheap cables and I would be suprised if I could pick out the difference between the two and I have a pretty keen ear IMO. Don't sweat the driver difference that much... Even def tech will tell you that if you call them. I just wouldn't have 6.5 L R and 3.5 center if you catch my drift. I had the CLR 2300 and a CLR 2000 and both were great speakers, edge slightly to the CLR2000 but by that time I was running a reference sub. That CLR2300 is a great speaker.
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post #1066 of 5221
9/2/09 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by mnbears View Post

Is spiking the Mythos STs appropriate or necessary? This would be in a second story room, carpet, over pad, over plywood. Curious if others have spiked, noticed a big difference, etc. Thanks!

For me, the primary use for spikes on carpet was to make my Mythos speakers a little more stable. Soundwise, I honestly don't think it makes a big audible difference.
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post #1067 of 5221
9/2/09 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by awanders View Post

Mantis10,

When you say the Ten is slightly more refined sounding, do you mean the sound is more crisp compared to the Eight.

I haven't had the opportunity to listen to either, and I am going to be making the same decision, between the Eight and Ten. I am not even sure that our mid sized town even has an electronics store with either set up.

Thanks for the input.

I have an eight as my center and surrounds to my ones. The center eight sounds great with the ones (seamless panning and dialogue is clear and natural) and I highly recommend it. In my setup, I am very satisfied.

While I suspect you would hear a slight difference if you did an A/B comparison of a 10 to an 8, I suspect in a movie setting at typical volumes, you'd find the real world difference to be merely one of small degrees. (Sometimes I suspect the differences we tend to hear in listening tests are often due to--or are augmented by--the "observer effect".)

IMHO: If matching the drivers/tweeters accross the front is a priority to you, then go for the 8's. If you plan to set your crossover below 80Mhz then a 10 would be preferable. In addition, if you are convinced you'd always be missing "something" (no matter how small) then get the 10's because in cases like these perception seems to become reality for a lot of us, and nobody likes the feeling they left something on the table.
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post #1068 of 5221
9/2/09 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by threelions View Post

would a few of you mind offering your suggestions on speaker wiring or cabling that you use for your setups.

Thank You for all the help.

Many on AVS forums prefer monoprice or blue jeans cable.
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post #1069 of 5221
9/3/09 at 7:59am
Could someone break down the primary differences between the ST and STS for me?
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post #1070 of 5221
9/3/09 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by PVJAG View Post

Could someone break down the primary differences between the ST and STS for me?

http://www.definitivetech.com/Compar...S%20SuperTower
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post #1071 of 5221
9/3/09 at 9:33am
So, I have never owned a HT system before. I recently bought my first home and am in the process of building a home theater system in my finished basement. I have a new 61' Samsung LED DLP and PS3 for Blu-Ray.

I just bought:

(2) DT Mythos 1's for my LF and RF
(1) DT Mythos 8 for my Center Channel

I purchased all three, new, in silver for a great deal according to those in the know. (EDIT - Price removed)

I would like advice on a receiver, sub and surrounds. I was thinking of going with the Onkyo TX-SR607 for a receiver.

Thoughts and opinions are appreciated.
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post #1072 of 5221
9/3/09 at 10:28am
Dapper,

I don't see why not. Only you can make that decision with your system in your room. Which loudspeakers are you using for surrounds?
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post #1073 of 5221
9/3/09 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Dapper,

I don't see why not. Only you can make that decision with your system in your room. Which loudspeakers are you using for surrounds?

I am undecided on surrounds. I was thinking of the Gems XL's for the rear surrounds.

Subwoofer I was thinking the SVS PB13-Ultra or PB12-Plus. Thoughts?
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post #1074 of 5221
9/3/09 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Dapper D View Post

So, I have never owned a HT system before. I recently bought my first home and am in the process of building a home theater system in my finished basement. I have a new 61' Samsung LED DLP and PS3 for Blu-Ray.

I just bought:

(2) DT Mythos 1's for my LF and RF
(1) DT Mythos 8 for my Center Channel

I purchased all three in silver for a little over $1,000 delivered. Good deal? Will I be happy?

I would like advice on a receiver, sub and surrounds. I was thinking of going with the Onkyo TX-SR607 for a receiver.

Thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

Dapper,

What size is the room for your theater? Where you planning on a 5.1 system or a 7.1 system? Where do you plan to place your surround speakers? ei. Ceiling, Wall mount, Stands?

You got a great deal on your front three speakers and should be very happy. answer those questions and I'll be happy to give some more advice on what other speakers to look at for your system.

As far as receivers go the 607 from onkyo is not a bad option, It has a strong feature set for the price point and decent 20-20k rated amplifiers. At 90 watts rms it's a little underpowered (not dangerously so, You won't harm your speakers unless you really crank it) for the speaker package your putting together. The Mythos really like power and the more you give them the better they perform regardless of what volume you listen at, good power will make these speakers crystal clear. I recommend a receiver with a bit more punch and there are some good options out there for under $1000, The VSX-21TXH from Pioneer, The Yamaha RX-V1065, The Denon AVR-2310, and the Onkyo Txnr807 are all good receivers with a bit more juice.

Hope this info helps
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post #1075 of 5221
9/3/09 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by Dapper D View Post

I am undecided on surrounds. I was thinking of the Gems XL's for the rear surrounds.

Subwoofer I was thinking the SVS PB13-Ultra or PB12-Plus. Thoughts?

Have you considered a Def Tech Supercube 1? I find the Supercubes to be great subs. I really like there output and clarity. I find them to be good for both music and Movies.

Just a thought.

Dan
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post #1076 of 5221
9/3/09 at 5:40pm
Thanks everyone, for the help on my question. By the time I commited to the silver Mythos the price on the One's went up and came back down again. I couldn't find the deal on a Ten I saw a few days ago so I went with the Eight for a center.
It's a 5.1 system for now with BPX surrounds and being driven with a Pio SC-05. When my M1's get here I'll put my BP2006 and CLR 2300 up for sale.
I've got a subwoofer question I'll hold back until I take a picture and see if you think what I want to do will work or not.
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post #1077 of 5221
9/3/09 at 8:19pm
Hi everyone. I moved fast enough to take advantage of some good prices, the bad news is that I'm not certain I bought the correct components.

I bought a pair of Mythos 5 tower speakers (3 1/2" drivers) and a Mythos 3 center speaker (4 1/2" drivers). I have not yet bought a sub or surround speakers.

Now I've read above in this thread that I've done a horrible thing, mixing the 4 1/2" drivers with 3 1/2". Will it sound so horrible?

I don't want to mail these speakers back; I'll pay more in shipping than it's worth. The Mythos 4 speakers, which have 4 1/2" drivers, are on sale. Would it work well to have the Mythos 4 L/R and the Mythos 3 Center (all with 4 1/2" drivers) and the Mythos 5 (3 1/2") surround speakers? I haven't been able to listen to all this yet, I'll have time to fuddle around with it all early next week. I would rather keep what I have and stick with a 3 speaker system for a while. I enjoy good sound very much, but I don't think I have magic ears that can tell the difference between different types of speaker cable.

Thank you for any advice. I have an HK 354 amplifier (75 watts x 7) and I'm not interested in blowing the doors off of my home. In fact, I want to enjoy movies while my children are asleep, so I will often use this at fairly low volumes, and perhaps the added boost of the center channel will be a benefit. But I look forward to opinions.
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post #1078 of 5221
9/4/09 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by Axxis Audio Jeff View Post

Dapper,

What size is the room for your theater? Where you planning on a 5.1 system or a 7.1 system? Where do you plan to place your surround speakers? ei. Ceiling, Wall mount, Stands?

You got a great deal on your front three speakers and should be very happy. answer those questions and I'll be happy to give some more advice on what other speakers to look at for your system.

As far as receivers go the 607 from onkyo is not a bad option, It has a strong feature set for the price point and decent 20-20k rated amplifiers. At 90 watts rms it's a little underpowered (not dangerously so, You won't harm your speakers unless you really crank it) for the speaker package your putting together. The Mythos really like power and the more you give them the better they perform regardless of what volume you listen at, good power will make these speakers crystal clear. I recommend a receiver with a bit more punch and there are some good options out there for under $1000, The VSX-21TXH from Pioneer, The Yamaha RX-V1065, The Denon AVR-2310, and the Onkyo Txnr807 are all good receivers with a bit more juice.

Hope this info helps

Jeff, first thank you for your insight; it was helpful. Now to your questions. My home theater room is in my basement, essentially half my basement is split; one half is my home theater 13x12 and the other half is my bar and sitting area with a pool table. My basement is fully finished with dry wall on the walls and ceiling (no drop ceiling) but I have hardwood floors with an area rug in my theater space. I'm thinking this may affect the sound.

As for a 5.1 or 7.1, I am thinking of intially going 5.1 with the thought of expanding to 7.1 in the future. I may also look to set up a second zone in the other half of my basement, but that is far off.

For surrounds I was planning on wall mounts, but could do stands if necessary. Thoughts on placement and model options?

For receivers, I get that I need more power, what about the Onkyo TX-SR876 in addition to what you mentioned?

Thanks again!
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post #1079 of 5221
9/4/09 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by Dapper D View Post

So, I have never owned a HT system before. I recently bought my first home and am in the process of building a home theater system in my finished basement. I have a new 61' Samsung LED DLP and PS3 for Blu-Ray.

I just bought:

(2) DT Mythos 1's for my LF and RF
(1) DT Mythos 8 for my Center Channel

I purchased all three in silver for a little over $XXXX delivered. Good deal? Will I be happy?

I would like advice on a receiver, sub and surrounds. I was thinking of going with the Onkyo TX-SR607 for a receiver.

Thoughts and opinions are appreciated.


Dapper:

You just bought my fronts and center at a fraction of what I paid--you got a great deal!

Second, certainly only you can decide whether you will be happy, since that's such a subjective issue. I certainly am and have not an ounce of regret in buying them even though I paid a lot more than you.

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Originally Posted by Dapper D View Post

I am undecided on surrounds. I was thinking of the Gems XL's for the rear surrounds.

Subwoofer I was thinking the SVS PB13-Ultra or PB12-Plus. Thoughts?

Gem XL's would match your set very well. I have 2 PC12-Pluses (the cylindrical version of the PB12-Plus). However, if I were going with only one sub, I'd get the Ultra (given the size of your space). The PB12-Plus, however, by itself is no slouch and 2 of them gives you bit more headroom than one Ultra alone (plus, it allows for some of the advantages of a 2 sub approach).

Finally, Re: the hardwood floors, you may wish to add a nice area rug(s) between you and the fronts because no matter what speakers you have, the echos (slap and otherwise) will likely muddy up your sound, given it's another "live" surface to deal with. In terms of placement, the Dolby and THX websites has some very nice illustrations of the recommended speaker placements.
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post #1080 of 5221
9/4/09 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by Rebound View Post

Hi everyone. I moved fast enough to take advantage of some good prices at XXXXX, the bad news is that I'm not certain I bought the correct components.

I bought a pair of Mythos 5 tower speakers (3 1/2" drivers) and a Mythos 3 center speaker (4 1/2" drivers). I have not yet bought a sub or surround speakers.

Now I've read above in this thread that I've done a horrible thing, mixing the 4 1/2" drivers with 3 1/2". Will it sound so horrible?

I don't want to mail these speakers back; I'll pay more in shipping than it's worth. The Mythos 4 speakers, which have 4 1/2" drivers, are on sale for $XXXX each. Would it work well to have the Mythos 4 L/R and the Mythos 3 Center (all with 4 1/2" drivers) and the Mythos 5 (3 1/2") surround speakers? I haven't been able to listen to all this yet, I'll have time to fuddle around with it all early next week. I would rather keep what I have and stick with a 3 speaker system for a while. I enjoy good sound very much, but I don't think I have magic ears that can tell the difference between different types of speaker cable.

Thank you for any advice. I have an HK 354 amplifier (75 watts x 7) and I'm not interested in blowing the doors off of my home. In fact, I want to enjoy movies while my children are asleep, so I will often use this at fairly low volumes, and perhaps the added boost of the center channel will be a benefit. But I look forward to opinions.



Rebound:

First of all, you haven't done anything "horrible". The Mythos family of speakers are all voiced the same, so they all mix/match and blend well together.

In terms of the purist's view, it's supposedly ideal to have equivalent drivers/tweeters all around, with the notion you get a more seamless soundfield, so most of us "oldies" stick by the party line and recommend that.

However, in real world applications, even if the driver sizes are different, if you are in the same family, you generally come out OK.

For example, before Mythos made the 8's, the 3's was the preferred center for the 1's, and got rave reviews. The 3 as center also works great with the 4's. (this used to be my setup).

Others on this thread have even mixed/matched speakers from different manufacturers with laudable results (see MacFan24). The ultimate test is what the speakers sound like in your room--not solely theory and measurements. (Therefore, equal attention should be paid to speaker placement, room dimensions, treatments, etc.).

So, my humble advice is: just keep what you have and see if you like it before springing for the 4's. If you're happy--stand pat--and use the money to buy a sub. If not, upgrade to the 4's. and buy a sub later. My guess is that you will like what you hear whichever way you decide to go.

Enjoy!
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