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post #1831 of 5218
11/18/09 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by mrjktcvs View Post

Don't forget that if you buy from an ID, you need to tack on the shipping cost to the price of the sub, which can add as much as $100.

Good point--although last December, at least one of the ID's offered free shipping as an incentive to buy, so it might be worth waiting a bit to see what deals pop up.
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post #1832 of 5218
11/18/09 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by mustangjoe View Post

I'll second that. PB12-NSD is a good start as well.

3+! One thing that helps make SVS a great value is their terrific customer service--very responsive, even after the sale is done. They work to solve problems, tell the truth, and their products perform as advertised.
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post #1833 of 5218
11/18/09 at 8:01pm
HSU has a 25% off sale on some of their subs right now, and AV123 will have B-stock for $399 (probably 500 shipped) a few weeks from now.
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post #1834 of 5218
11/18/09 at 9:21pm
Anyone have some advice on posting pics? I've been trying to upload pictures for the past 1/2 hour but keep getting error messages saying, 'Unable to upload'

Thanks in advance.
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post #1835 of 5218
11/18/09 at 9:30pm
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Anyone have some advice on posting pics? I've been trying to upload pictures for the past 1/2 hour but keep getting error messages saying, 'Unable to upload'

Thanks in advance.

use photobucket to upload. From there they a link to copy and paste
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post #1836 of 5218
11/18/09 at 10:04pm
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use photobucket to upload. From there they a link to copy and paste

Thanks BigRed

Here's a few pics of the system. It includes my old sub, which I sold on Monday.....need to get a sub asap. Was just watching a football game w/out a sub and as much as I like these speakers, they really need a sub for you to get the best out of them.

I'll post how the search for the sub is going in another post.










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post #1837 of 5218
11/19/09 at 12:28am
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Originally Posted by MD Boy View Post

Thanks BigRed

Here's a few pics of the system. It includes my old sub, which I sold on Monday.....need to get a sub asap. Was just watching a football game w/out a sub and as much as I like these speakers, they really need a sub for you to get the best out of them.

I'll post how the search for the sub is going in another post.

http://s806.photobucket.com/albums/yy350/MD_Boy/

And if you paste the IMG Code rather than the one that starts with HTTP, then you get the photo to appear in the post.
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post #1838 of 5218
11/19/09 at 5:26am
Anybody here use an external amp to drive their Mythos Ones? I was wondering if using a 200wpc external amplifier (vs. the 130wpc amps inside my AVR) to drive the Mythos One will be beneficial. I've read that an AVR's wattage rating is not entirely accurate, and is often lower than the published specs. But with the Mythos One's efficiency of 92dB, impedance of 8ohms, and crossover at 80Hz, would a more powerful amp be overkill?
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post #1839 of 5218
11/19/09 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Welcome, and congrats! Please post pics of your Mythos system when you get a chance

Thanks. Here's a photo of my Sammy LN52a650 and the ST's. The rest of the system is a Marantz SR6003, SVS PB12nsd, Polk/Yamaha surrounds and Panasonic BD35. Dreaming of another PB12 and maybe a Emotiva xpa5.

Newb, using Firefox, can't see image code. Where? Just http. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
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post #1840 of 5218
11/19/09 at 7:43am
I just bought an Emotiva XPA-3 to drive my front Ones and the Eight. I have done a little testing so far, but not enough to tell much of a difference over my Onkyo.
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post #1841 of 5218
11/19/09 at 10:05am
i had my mythos ones in front and wide setup connected to my onkyo tx-nr807 7.2 setup, got a emotiva xpa-5 a few days ago and hooked it up, and i'm not sure if this term is correct, but everything came alive.

then again i read that the 807 only puts out 30w per channel with 7 speakers connected.

have a onkyo tx-nr3007 now, need to do some a/b comparison between that and the xpa-5.
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post #1842 of 5218
11/19/09 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by veekay View Post

I just bought an Emotiva XPA-3 to drive my front Ones and the Eight. I have done a little testing so far, but not enough to tell much of a difference over my Onkyo.

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i had my mythos ones in front and wide setup connected to my onkyo tx-nr807 7.2 setup, got a emotiva xpa-5 a few days ago and hooked it up, and i'm not sure if this term is correct, but everything came alive.

then again i read that the 807 only puts out 30w per channel with 7 speakers connected.

have a onkyo tx-nr3007 now, need to do some a/b comparison between that and the xpa-5.

Thanks for the feedback. I was actually considering the XPA-3 to power the front L/R and Center speakers, or the XPA-5 to power all speakers. I don't really listen loud, and have never experienced my AVR's amps clip (what does clipping sound like anyway?). I do have subs, which further reduces the Mythos ONes' power requirements.

I read an article in Stereophile a while back regarding the Mythos STS. Sandy Gross, the founder of DefTech, was using a PS2 to play a CD, and a 30wpc tube amp (Cayin something) to show off the STS to the Stereophile folks, and they were impressed! Which kinda implies that 30wpc should be enough to run the mids and highs, as long as a powered subwoofer(s) handles the bass.

Anyway, veekay and ufokillerz, I would be very interested in hearing more about your future tests/comparisons between external amp and the AVRs.
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post #1843 of 5218
11/19/09 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by mustangjoe View Post

Thanks. Here's a photo of my Sammy LN52a650 and the ST's. The rest of the system is a Marantz SR6003, SVS PB12nsd, Polk/Yamaha surrounds and Panasonic BD35. Dreaming of another PB12 and maybe a Emotiva xpa5.

Newb, using Firefox, can't see image code. Where? Just http. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.



If you use the "image" toolbar icon (looks like a mountain range with the moon overhead) in the full message mode, you can just put in the http address, as I did here. Nice system!

(If I might be so bold to offer a respectful suggestion--you might consider putting the center speaker right at the edge of the cabinet to prevent unwanted sound reflections from the cabinet surface--might enhance dialogue clarity.)
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post #1844 of 5218
11/19/09 at 7:37pm
We just watched out first movie tonight since adding the amp, but of course the only way to really tell how much of a difference would be to watch it again.. Still, 7.1 DTS HD sounded really good and if the movie didn't have to be returned I might try it with just the receiver.

If there is a certain song/album you'd like "tested" with and without just let me know.
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post #1845 of 5218
11/19/09 at 9:59pm
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Originally Posted by veekay View Post

We just watched out first movie tonight since adding the amp, but of course the only way to really tell how much of a difference would be to watch it again.. Still, 7.1 DTS HD sounded really good and if the movie didn't have to be returned I might try it with just the receiver.

If there is a certain song/album you'd like "tested" with and without just let me know.

Veekay, thanks for the offer, but I don't want to impose on you. Sounds like you're happy with the external amp, and don't regret spending the extra money? If so, I guess that's all I'll need to know.
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post #1846 of 5218
11/20/09 at 6:26am
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Appreciate all the pics posted lately--added links to them to first post. If you have pics of your Mythos system that you wish to share, please do!
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post #1847 of 5218
11/20/09 at 8:30am
No imposition at all - I'd actually like some more stuff to test with. I have a whole mess of music stuff to try, but have yet to do anything. I really wish I hadn't sold my RTi150's so I could really test the amp difference.
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post #1848 of 5218
11/20/09 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by veekay View Post

No imposition at all - I'd actually like some more stuff to test with. I have a whole mess of music stuff to try, but have yet to do anything. I really wish I hadn't sold my RTi150's so I could really test the amp difference.

How about Eric Clapton's "Unplugged" album?
Or U2's Best of 1980-1990 album?

Only if you can.
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post #1849 of 5218
11/20/09 at 4:58pm
In need of the speaker Guru's one more time, as I posted in link # 1800 i chose the following
Mythos one for fronts, mythos 8 for center, Gem xl"s for the rear and the super cube I for the sub - "the rears and sub will have to wait" till I sell my orig setup.
2 questions, till I sell my originals, is there any reason why I couldnt use my mirage M7 si for the rears for the short or long term?

Secondly is there any one here that is a member of audiogon that I could possible Pm with the list of my mirage speakers? I dont want to join and I wont be advertising on there, I will place on local craiglist and just want to be fair to myself and the buyer, I know the they have all my speakers listed and a history of pricing with graphs

Thanks in advance, tom

I have been sick and havent had time to set anything up yet, son came home from college today and he went and picked up my pio sc-07 for me
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post #1850 of 5218
11/20/09 at 10:50pm
Gentlemen,

So, after days of reading up on reviews and talking to salesmen from ID's and local stores, I have come to a few conclusions among the following subs:

1) HSU - Nope. Talked to a salesmen and maybe I got him on an off day but when I inquired about two different subs, it seemed as if I was almost bothering the gentleman. Maybe the customer service thing is a bigger thing to me than I realized.

2) AV123 MF15 - Sounds like a great sub but don't think it's for me. Has had some amp problems a few months ago and they should be resolved but if I'm going to go over my budget of $500, I want something solid and reliable....again, not saying this sub isn't reliable, just not for me.

3) SVS PB12-NSD or PC12-NSC - So these are the two I had narrowed it down to. I was going to ask you guys on which might be better with my setup. After reading all the great reviews and talking to more than helpful people at SVS, I had said yes, it is going to be between these two!

*4) DT Supercube II - Why the asterisk, you ask? Because I hadn't considered it being that it was $400 over my budget.

Well, that all changed when I went to Best Buy this evening and started talking to a salesman who was very helpful. He recommended the SC III and I thought I'd test it out. He took forever to come back from the warehouse because he couldn't find it...BUT he did sell me a SC II for $650! +tax of course.

Good deal? Not bad, I think.

So do you guys think the SCII is worth it for this price? Or should I test it out for a while and then get teh SVS?

Any help and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance and I apologize for the really long post.
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post #1851 of 5218
11/20/09 at 11:24pm
i have 2 av123 mfw-15s with my mythos, and they have been reliable, mine are over a year old. no issues yet.
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post #1852 of 5218
11/21/09 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by MD Boy View Post

Gentlemen,

So, after days of reading up on reviews and talking to salesmen from ID's and local stores, I have come to a few conclusions among the following subs:

1) HSU - Nope. Talked to a salesmen and maybe I got him on an off day but when I inquired about two different subs, it seemed as if I was almost bothering the gentleman. Maybe the customer service thing is a bigger thing to me than I realized.

2) AV123 MF15 - Sounds like a great sub but don't think it's for me. Has had some amp problems a few months ago and they should be resolved but if I'm going to go over my budget of $500, I want something solid and reliable....again, not saying this sub isn't reliable, just not for me.

3) SVS PB12-NSD or PC12-NSC - So these are the two I had narrowed it down to. I was going to ask you guys on which might be better with my setup. After reading all the great reviews and talking to more than helpful people at SVS, I had said yes, it is going to be between these two!

*4) DT Supercube II - Why the asterisk, you ask? Because I hadn't considered it being that it was $400 over my budget.

Well, that all changed when I went to Best Buy this evening and started talking to a salesman who was very helpful. He recommended the SC III and I thought I'd test it out. He took forever to come back from the warehouse because he couldn't find it...BUT he did sell me a SC II for $650! +tax of course.

Good deal? Not bad, I think.

So do you guys think the SCII is worth it for this price? Or should I test it out for a while and then get teh SVS?

Any help and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance and I apologize for the really long post.

Great price on the SCII. I paid full price for mine. I feel like a total sucker now.

I currently use both the SCII and PC12-NSD. The SCII is great for music because of its sealed design and small 8" driver. I have it handling 40hz-80hz (receiver's crossover @80hz plus an external subsonic filter @40hz). What makes it very good for music, though, makes it quite insufficient for movies. Its specs indicate a frequency response down to 14Hz, but my in room response shows a lower limit of around 25hz. DefTech's own measurements show an actual frequency response of 25hz-125khz +/- 3db. In my experience, the SCII can get very strained when playing loud heavy movie LFEs It actually bottomed out (rattling, flapping sound) when I was watching "The Dark Knight", which is why I got the external subsonic filter.

When watching movies, I activate the PC12-NSD, which I have set to handle 40Hz and under using the sub's built-in crossover. My in room frequency response goes down to around 16hz. Most people can't hear frequencies below 20Hz (including myself)--these are frequencies you can FEEL. The PC12-NSD excels at lower bass frequencies, literally shaking the house effortlesssly.

I have been re-watching movies the past week. The PC12-NSD has got me watching more movies now, as each movie seemed totally new to me!. Saw War of the Worlds last night, and I heard and felt stuff that I never realized was there! Same thing with "Master and Commander", especially with the canon shots. The deep, deep bass frequencies had my couch and walls shaking, and the corner loaded PC12-NSD did it effortlessly.

I did try the PC12-NSD for music (80hz and under), but wasn't entirely pleased. It was too sloppy for my taste. The 12" driver coupled with a ported design, resulted in bass that was not tight/accurate enough for music. But if your primary purpose is movies and gaming, the PC12-NSD is the better choice over the SCII.

Note that the above opinions are subjective, and are based on my own listening preferences, personal taste, and the acoustics in my listening environment. People like different sounds, and room acoustics play a major part in how your audio gear will perform. Who knows, the SCII might go waaay deeper in your room than it did in mine.

Oh yeah, and I picked the cylinder for the smaller footprint. I was just looking at your pics. Aesthetically, I think the PB12-NSD (box design) would blend better would your setup.
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post #1853 of 5218
11/21/09 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by hollywood53 View Post

In need of the speaker Guru's one more time, as I posted in link # 1800 i chose the following
Mythos one for fronts, mythos 8 for center, Gem xl"s for the rear and the super cube I for the sub - "the rears and sub will have to wait" till I sell my orig setup.
2 questions, till I sell my originals, is there any reason why I couldnt use my mirage M7 si for the rears for the short or long term. . .?

Hi, Tom:

Go for it! There's no reason at all to wait to experience your Pios surround capabilities. If fact, if you calibrate well, you will probably surprise yourself how good it sounds.

Just "fill in the blanks" with matching speakers when time, health, and finances allow. (Hope you are feeling better soon!).
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post #1854 of 5218
11/21/09 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by MD Boy View Post

Gentlemen,

So, after days of reading up on reviews and talking to salesmen from ID's and local stores, I have come to a few conclusions among the following subs:

1) HSU - Nope. Talked to a salesmen and maybe I got him on an off day but when I inquired about two different subs, it seemed as if I was almost bothering the gentleman. Maybe the customer service thing is a bigger thing to me than I realized.

2) AV123 MF15 - Sounds like a great sub but don't think it's for me. Has had some amp problems a few months ago and they should be resolved but if I'm going to go over my budget of $500, I want something solid and reliable....again, not saying this sub isn't reliable, just not for me.

3) SVS PB12-NSD or PC12-NSC - So these are the two I had narrowed it down to. I was going to ask you guys on which might be better with my setup. After reading all the great reviews and talking to more than helpful people at SVS, I had said yes, it is going to be between these two!

*4) DT Supercube II - Why the asterisk, you ask? Because I hadn't considered it being that it was $400 over my budget.

Well, that all changed when I went to Best Buy this evening and started talking to a salesman who was very helpful. He recommended the SC III and I thought I'd test it out. He took forever to come back from the warehouse because he couldn't find it...BUT he did sell me a SC II for $650! +tax of course.

Good deal? Not bad, I think.

So do you guys think the SCII is worth it for this price? Or should I test it out for a while and then get teh SVS?

Any help and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance and I apologize for the really long post.

Agree with fquails on this one--sorry (You did get a great price though!)

I just think sonically, you'll be happier with something that reaches down lower than the SC II. (Comparing FR's is always hazardous to be sure , but I was a little surprised how much they varied between the PB12-NSD and the PC12-NSC on the SVS website. Based on these, however, the cylinder might fit with your Mythos fronts a little better in that it plays the higher frequencies a little better--at least in theory.)
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post #1855 of 5218
11/21/09 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by MD Boy View Post

Gentlemen,

So, after days of reading up on reviews and talking to salesmen from ID's and local stores, I have come to a few conclusions among the following subs:

1) HSU - Nope. Talked to a salesmen and maybe I got him on an off day but when I inquired about two different subs, it seemed as if I was almost bothering the gentleman. Maybe the customer service thing is a bigger thing to me than I realized.

2) AV123 MF15 - Sounds like a great sub but don't think it's for me. Has had some amp problems a few months ago and they should be resolved but if I'm going to go over my budget of $500, I want something solid and reliable....again, not saying this sub isn't reliable, just not for me.

3) SVS PB12-NSD or PC12-NSC - So these are the two I had narrowed it down to. I was going to ask you guys on which might be better with my setup. After reading all the great reviews and talking to more than helpful people at SVS, I had said yes, it is going to be between these two!

*4) DT Supercube II - Why the asterisk, you ask? Because I hadn't considered it being that it was $400 over my budget.

Well, that all changed when I went to Best Buy this evening and started talking to a salesman who was very helpful. He recommended the SC III and I thought I'd test it out. He took forever to come back from the warehouse because he couldn't find it...BUT he did sell me a SC II for $650! +tax of course.

Good deal? Not bad, I think.

So do you guys think the SCII is worth it for this price? Or should I test it out for a while and then get teh SVS?

Any help and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks in advance and I apologize for the really long post.

Have you considered any of the Epik subs? I have a sealed Vanquish with my One's and Eight and it sounds great - blends seamlessly. I listen to a lot of music in addition to HT - if you need a bit more punch because you do more movie listening you could check out the ported Sentinel - a lot of people in the Epik thread have been very pleased with the Sentinel. Both are currently on sale as well though it's taking a few weeks for them to fill all of the orders because of the sale.

BTW - nice looking system you have - is your TV on the stand itself? I think it is but from the front it loks like it could be mounted on the wall. How did you get it elevated above the CC? I wanted to move my CC to the top shelf but I can't get quite enough elevation from the TV and it's stand (Samsung) so that the CC wouldn't quite distract from the screen.
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post #1856 of 5218
11/21/09 at 8:29am
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How did you get it elevated above the CC? I wanted to move my CC to the top shelf but I can't get quite enough elevation from the TV and it's stand (Samsung) so that the CC wouldn't quite distract from the screen.

Someone here had a similar problem. He bought some thick shelving boards from Home Depot/Lowe's, cut them to the same shape/dimensions as the TV's feet, and painted them.

If you need to get the TV higher, just stack up as many shelving boards as needed. May not even be necessary to cut the boards to the same shape as the TV's feet...just cut them to a reasonable rectangle, and paint them to match your cabinet.
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post #1857 of 5218
11/21/09 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by fquails View Post

Someone here had a similar problem. He bought some thick shelving boards from Home Depot/Lowe's, cut them to the same shape/dimensions as the TV's feet, and painted them.

If you need to get the TV higher, just stack up as many shelving boards as needed. May not even be necessary to cut the boards to the same shape as the TV's feet...just cut them to a reasonable rectangle, and paint them to match your cabinet.

I had that problem as well and bought stain ready .75x12x36 piece of pine which solved the problem. I didn't bother with painting/cutting because I don't have the tools, but the pine has a nice finish and looks great!
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post #1858 of 5218
11/21/09 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

...Go for it! There's no reason at all to wait to experience your Pios surround capabilities. If fact, if you calibrate well, you will probably surprise yourself how good it sounds...

+1

I've experimented with a variety of surround speakers, and have found after MCACC calibration a number of them have worked surprisingly well. I'm currently using Mirage Omnisat v2 FS's as surrounds and a old pair of Polk M3's in the rear. Both fit with my room's placement limitations and after calibration blend beautifully with my STS's, even with surround SACD's.

hollywood53, if you are not satisfied with using your Mirage speakers in the rear, you can always replace them later. It doesn't cost much to try them out for yourself.
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post #1859 of 5218
11/21/09 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by fquails View Post

Someone here had a similar problem. He bought some thick shelving boards from Home Depot/Lowe's, cut them to the same shape/dimensions as the TV's feet, and painted them.

If you need to get the TV higher, just stack up as many shelving boards as needed. May not even be necessary to cut the boards to the same shape as the TV's feet...just cut them to a reasonable rectangle, and paint them to match your cabinet.

Thanks - that's a great suggestion!
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post #1860 of 5218
11/21/09 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by fquails View Post

Great price on the SCII. I paid full price for mine. I feel like a total sucker now.

I currently use both the SCII and PC12-NSD. The SCII is great for music because of its sealed design and small 8" driver. I have it handling 40hz-80hz (receiver's crossover @80hz plus an external subsonic filter @40hz). What makes it very good for music, though, makes it quite insufficient for movies. Its specs indicate a frequency response down to 14Hz, but my in room response shows a lower limit of around 25hz. DefTech's own measurements show an actual frequency response of 25hz-125khz +/- 3db. In my experience, the SCII can get very strained when playing loud heavy movie LFEs It actually bottomed out (rattling, flapping sound) when I was watching "The Dark Knight", which is why I got the external subsonic filter.

When watching movies, I activate the PC12-NSD, which I have set to handle 40Hz and under using the sub's built-in crossover. My in room frequency response goes down to around 16hz. Most people can't hear frequencies below 20Hz (including myself)--these are frequencies you can FEEL. The PC12-NSD excels at lower bass frequencies, literally shaking the house effortlesssly.

I have been re-watching movies the past week. The PC12-NSD has got me watching more movies now, as each movie seemed totally new to me!. Saw War of the Worlds last night, and I heard and felt stuff that I never realized was there! Same thing with "Master and Commander", especially with the canon shots. The deep, deep bass frequencies had my couch and walls shaking, and the corner loaded PC12-NSD did it effortlessly.

I did try the PC12-NSD for music (80hz and under), but wasn't entirely pleased. It was too sloppy for my taste. The 12" driver coupled with a ported design, resulted in bass that was not tight/accurate enough for music. But if your primary purpose is movies and gaming, the PC12-NSD is the better choice over the SCII.

Note that the above opinions are subjective, and are based on my own listening preferences, personal taste, and the acoustics in my listening environment. People like different sounds, and room acoustics play a major part in how your audio gear will perform. Who knows, the SCII might go waaay deeper in your room than it did in mine.

Oh yeah, and I picked the cylinder for the smaller footprint. I was just looking at your pics. Aesthetically, I think the PB12-NSD (box design) would blend better would your setup.

You feel like a sucker for paying full price the SC11? Who Cares. As long as you like it thats all that matters. We all want deals but if I held out for deals everytime time I wanted something I would be probably still waiting for it now.
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