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post #2761 of 5241
4/14/10 at 11:29pm
Do you guys know if the grill on the black vs silver have different color? I feel the aluminum one is kind of gray and wanted to swap it for black ones to match my TV. Anyone done this?

Second, kind of off-topic. I got 2 mythos two and 1 mythos three, all aluminum finish. Don't suppose anyone want to trade for black ones.
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post #2762 of 5241
4/15/10 at 5:19am
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Originally Posted by sailwind View Post

Do you guys know if the grill on the black vs silver have different color? I feel the aluminum one is kind of gray and wanted to swap it for black ones to match my TV. Anyone done this?

Second, kind of off-topic. I got 2 mythos two and 1 mythos three, all aluminum finish. Don't suppose anyone want to trade for black ones.

Yea, the grills for the silver mythos line are charcoal and the black mythos line have black grills, I did the same thing as your are considering, swapped out the silver grills for black ones and they definatly look much better. I got mine off of ebay for a much better price than Def Tech was offering at the time.
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post #2763 of 5241
4/15/10 at 8:22am
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Yea, the grills for the silver mythos line are charcoal and the black mythos line have black grills, I did the same thing as your are considering, swapped out the silver grills for black ones and they definatly look much better. I got mine off of ebay for a much better price than Def Tech was offering at the time.

are you saying the grills from ebay are cheaper? i definitely paid deftech way less for grills, if you're talking about grills.
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post #2764 of 5241
4/15/10 at 9:06am
Ebay's selling them $25 each for mythos two grills, and $35 for mythos three. Did you get it cheaper from deftech?
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post #2765 of 5241
4/15/10 at 2:53pm
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are you saying the grills from ebay are cheaper? i definitely paid deftech way less for grills, if you're talking about grills.

The grills for my ones were 15.00 dollars cheaper on ebay than what def tech is asking. The grill for my three I had to buy off of def tech, ebay did'nt have any at the time. My gem XL's are black so they already had the black grill on them. I bought mine about 3 months ago.
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post #2766 of 5241
4/15/10 at 2:57pm
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The grills for my ones were 15.00 dollars cheaper on ebay than what def tech is asking. The grill for my three I had to buy off of def tech, ebay did'nt have any at the time. My gem XL's are black so they already had the black grill on them. I bought mine about 3 months ago.

i paid $25 per mythos one grill, and $12.50 for the mythos nine grill. shipping included, direct from deftech.
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post #2767 of 5241
4/15/10 at 3:11pm
I'm not seeing a place to order online direect from deftech. Did you call them to order?
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post #2768 of 5241
4/15/10 at 3:12pm
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I'm not seeing a place to order online direect from deftech. Did you call them to order?

call or email, you will eventually need to call in with your credit card, so its best to just call.
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post #2769 of 5241
4/15/10 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

i paid $25 per mythos one grill, and $12.50 for the mythos nine grill. shipping included, direct from deftech.

Cheapest I've seen on ebay for Mythos One grills is 49.99 each so Def Tech is definitely the better deal!
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post #2770 of 5241
4/16/10 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

i paid $25 per mythos one grill, and $12.50 for the mythos nine grill. shipping included, direct from deftech.

You got a heck of a deal. I just called deftech and they wanted $40 for mythos two grill and $44 for mythos three. Shipping is $6.7 to california.
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post #2771 of 5241
4/16/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by sailwind View Post

You got a heck of a deal. I just called deftech and they wanted $40 for mythos two grill and $44 for mythos three. Shipping is $6.7 to california.

have you registered your products on deftech's website?
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post #2772 of 5241
4/16/10 at 3:13pm
No... I bought them used on craigslist, so don't know if they can be registered anymore. Would that make a difference?
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post #2773 of 5241
4/20/10 at 4:22pm
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I actually think the charcoal grilles complement the silver better than the black. Horses for courses, I suppose. (although some of the hard core folks aren't using the grilles at all! )
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post #2774 of 5241
4/24/10 at 7:24am
I recently upgraded to ST fronts with Mythos 10 center and have noticed that when watching movies the sound is much more dynamic and clear when playing in Stereo instead of surround. What could be the cause of this? I have run MCACC several times (powered by PIO SC-25). In stereo, the detail is incredible and the dialogue is not muddy or overshadowed and actually "seems" to come from the center (credit to the towers!). The bass is also pretty thunderous.
But when I switch to surround mode the center channel is very clear but allot of detail seems to be hushed and the bass seems to be toned down. The bass impact is noticeably lower. Any thoughts on correcting this? I am not running LFE - right now only have front 3 hooked up - towers set to large and center to small.
I am still tweaking placement, etc but the difference is very noticeable.

*sidenote - this is not in any way a negative review of these towers (most likely user error!) - These things truly are monsters and coupled with the SC-25 they are some of the most dynamic speakers I have heard.

Thx
DC
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post #2775 of 5241
4/24/10 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by AC Reserve View Post

I recently upgraded to ST fronts with Mythos 10 center and have noticed that when watching movies the sound is much more dynamic and clear when playing in Stereo instead of surround. What could be the cause of this? I have run MCACC several times (powered by PIO SC-25). In stereo, the detail is incredible and the dialogue is not muddy or overshadowed and actually "seems" to come from the center (credit to the towers!). The bass is also pretty thunderous.
But when I switch to surround mode the center channel is very clear but allot of detail seems to be hushed and the bass seems to be toned down. The bass impact is noticeably lower. Any thoughts on correcting this? I am not running LFE - right now only have front 3 hooked up - towers set to large and center to small.
I am still tweaking placement, etc but the difference is very noticeable.

*sidenote - this is not in any way a negative review of these towers (most likely user error!) - These things truly are monsters and coupled with the SC-25 they are some of the most dynamic speakers I have heard.

Thx
DC

This has to be entirely in the receiver. I have the same setup but with a Denon AVR-4310CI. I never use the virtual surround modes, but I played with them initially for a bit had a similar experience to what you are describing. It only happened for me when the source was stereo and I was having the AVR matrix a center channel. The result was odd. If I play a 5.1 source, I've never had a problem.

One thing to be very careful with, on many receivers many of the settings are applied based on the type of source and the input being used. I doubt MCACC as a whole is that way, but it might have fine tunings (which curve to use, etc) that you need to set on every source type. I finally realized that that was why playing CDs in my setup had weak bass while DVDs did not. The Audyssey curve in use was wrong for 2-channel, but correct in 5.1.
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post #2776 of 5241
4/24/10 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by AC Reserve View Post

I recently upgraded to ST fronts with Mythos 10 center and have noticed that when watching movies the sound is much more dynamic and clear when playing in Stereo instead of surround. What could be the cause of this? I have run MCACC several times (powered by PIO SC-25). In stereo, the detail is incredible and the dialogue is not muddy or overshadowed and actually "seems" to come from the center (credit to the towers!). The bass is also pretty thunderous.
But when I switch to surround mode the center channel is very clear but allot of detail seems to be hushed and the bass seems to be toned down. The bass impact is noticeably lower. Any thoughts on correcting this? I am not running LFE - right now only have front 3 hooked up - towers set to large and center to small.
I am still tweaking placement, etc but the difference is very noticeable.

*sidenote - this is not in any way a negative review of these towers (most likely user error!) - These things truly are monsters and coupled with the SC-25 they are some of the most dynamic speakers I have heard.

Thx
DC

It's all in a proper calibration and correct speaker placement. The better you get your position the better your overall sound will be.

I have almost the same exact system and have none of the troubles you have. I have the SC-07 last years model. If you go back to the first post in this thread , there are some links to my calibration technique's. I hope they help you .
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post #2777 of 5241
4/25/10 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by AC Reserve View Post

I recently upgraded to ST fronts with Mythos 10 center and have noticed that when watching movies the sound is much more dynamic and clear when playing in Stereo instead of surround. What could be the cause of this? I have run MCACC several times (powered by PIO SC-25). In stereo, the detail is incredible and the dialogue is not muddy or overshadowed and actually "seems" to come from the center (credit to the towers!). The bass is also pretty thunderous.
But when I switch to surround mode the center channel is very clear but allot of detail seems to be hushed and the bass seems to be toned down. The bass impact is noticeably lower. Any thoughts on correcting this? I am not running LFE - right now only have front 3 hooked up - towers set to large and center to small.
I am still tweaking placement, etc but the difference is very noticeable.

*sidenote - this is not in any way a negative review of these towers (most likely user error!) - These things truly are monsters and coupled with the SC-25 they are some of the most dynamic speakers I have heard.

Thx
DC

I have the same set-up as you while also using LFE and surrounds. I did notice less bass punch from the front speakers when switching out of stereo (auto surround) mode to other modes. I believe this is just designed into the receiver since you experience the same effect as I do using the same equipment.

Anyway this system sounds great and I noticed a big improvement in overall sound and balance after running MCACC.
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post #2778 of 5241
4/28/10 at 4:20pm
I'm still looking for some on wall speakers and am trying to decide between the Mythos Nines and the XTR-50's. The XTR's obviously look very cool, but there's not much info out there about sound quality and that is my biggest concern. Any opinions out there?
Thanks!
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post #2779 of 5241
4/28/10 at 6:05pm
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I'm still looking for some on wall speakers and am trying to decide between the Mythos Nines and the XTR-50's. The XTR's obviously look very cool, but there's not much info out there about sound quality and that is my biggest concern. Any opinions out there?
Thanks!

I'd choose the Nines, especially if you are planning to use them as your mains. The XTR-50 really doesn't play low at all per the DT specs (which are probably rather generous).

Either way, be sure to budget for a strong sub, because you will need it with the nines (and even more so with the XTR's).
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post #2780 of 5241
4/28/10 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

I'd choose the Nines, especially if you are planning to use them as your mains. The XTR-50 really doesn't play low at all per the DT specs (which are probably rather generous).

Either way, be sure to budget for a strong sub, because you will need it with the nines (and even more so with the XTR's).

I've got the lows covered with an MFW-15. Do the XTR's offer anything other than a lower profile?
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post #2781 of 5241
4/29/10 at 6:05am
Hi all,

For all you Mythos STS owners, if you would need to compare the Mythos STS sub section, with which subwoofer could you compare it?
Does it produce as much bass as a SuperCube III? or II?

The question in my mind, do a pair produce enough bass to fill a 34x21feet room.

Thanks,
Koen
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post #2782 of 5241
4/29/10 at 9:34am
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Hi all,

For all you Mythos STS owners, if you would need to compare the Mythos STS sub section, with which subwoofer could you compare it?
Does it produce as much bass as a SuperCube III? or II?

The question in my mind, do a pair produce enough bass to fill a 34x21feet room.

Thanks,
Koen

Even my STs wouldn't fill a room that large when watching movies. Listening to music, maybe. They fill my 15x20 room, but that is putting them at their limits.
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post #2783 of 5241
4/29/10 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by jerlane View Post

I'm still looking for some on wall speakers and am trying to decide between the Mythos Nines and the XTR-50's. The XTR's obviously look very cool, but there's not much info out there about sound quality and that is my biggest concern. Any opinions out there?
Thanks!

There's supposed to be two more XTR models coming out this summer I think, so you may want to wait a bit and see what turns up. Unfortunately, I haven't heard if they will be larger or smaller models though.
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post #2784 of 5241
4/29/10 at 11:35am
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Even my STs wouldn't fill a room that large when watching movies. Listening to music, maybe. They fill my 15x20 room, but that is putting them at their limits.

That why I asked the question, I figured that such a small speaker could not fill the room. So add a SuperCube I in the mix?
I like to keep it small, an SVS would probably produce more for less $$$, but this is not a sub thread, so I won't go into that

Or maybe I'm better of just keeping my ProMon1000 as front L/R and buying 2 large subs instead, also makes it alot cheaper...

rgds,
Kurny
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post #2785 of 5241
4/29/10 at 12:31pm
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That why I asked the question, I figured that such a small speaker could not fill the room. So add a SuperCube I in the mix?
I like to keep it small, an SVS would probably produce more for less $$$, but this is not a sub thread, so I won't go into that

Or maybe I'm better of just keeping my ProMon1000 as front L/R and buying 2 large subs instead, also makes it alot cheaper...

rgds,
Kurny

I'm not a bass head, so take this all with a grain of salt. Given others experiences with SVS and HSU, I'd probably add one of those. Two subs seems to help mainly in balancing the sound within a room. The additional "punch" is useless in my mind since a single sub should fill a room that size and so any additional power will just be negated to balance the levels.

I can't speak to whether you should stick with the ProMonitors.
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4/29/10 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by kurny View Post

Hi all,

For all you Mythos STS owners, if you would need to compare the Mythos STS sub section, with which subwoofer could you compare it?
Does it produce as much bass as a SuperCube III? or II?

The question in my mind, do a pair produce enough bass to fill a 34x21feet room.

Thanks,
Koen


I don't believe so. I use a pair of STS in a small room like 12 x 14 or so. When I play loud (close to the reference level, but depending on what CD, DVD or Blue ray I am playing) the subs in the STS starts having a trouble (cabinet resonance/vibration) at around 2/3 setting on the sub volume on the speakers. My JL112 saves the STS there.

Your room is much much bigger. I assume you play fairly loud to fill the room up. You will most likely have a trouble with bass. My suggestion is to get a good quality sub and compliment your STS. Then set the STS "small" and play loud to enjoy better bass.

Also, a pair of STS produces the same amount of bass of somewhere in between SuperCube 1 and 2. This is from Deftech rep I spoke to. A pair of ST produces as much as a single SuperCube 1 produces.


Best regards,
Michaelmorio
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post #2787 of 5241
4/29/10 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by knightsabre7 View Post

There's supposed to be two more XTR models coming out this summer I think, so you may want to wait a bit and see what turns up. Unfortunately, I haven't heard if they will be larger or smaller models though.

I think I heard they may be coming out with a sound bar type XTR. I spoke with one of their tech guys today and he said if sound quality is the top priority then the nines are the way to go. That's what I'm going with. I'll post more soon (hopefully).
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4/30/10 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

My suggestion is to get a good quality sub and compliment your STS. Then set the STS "small" and play loud to enjoy better bass.

Then I think I'll add a supercube I, I already had to convince the wife that the STS towers are small (she didn't think so ) and I showed her an SVS PB12 plus , that didn't go so well.
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post #2789 of 5241
4/30/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by kurny View Post

Then I think I'll add a supercube I, I already had to convince the wife that the STS towers are small (she didn't think so ) and I showed her an SVS PB12 plus , that didn't go so well.


Kurny,

Let us know how your set up sound when you are done with putting speakers together.

Michaelmorio
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5/1/10 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by kurny View Post

Hi all,

For all you Mythos STS owners, if you would need to compare the Mythos STS sub section, with which subwoofer could you compare it?
Does it produce as much bass as a SuperCube III? or II?

The question in my mind, do a pair produce enough bass to fill a 34x21feet room.

Thanks,
Koen

The sub section is probably like a Supercube III. I would like to actually do a shootout to see which one performs better. The Little Supercube III is a nasty little monster. It blew me away the first time I Installed one.
The STS sub section is designed to work together with each other. They fill the room more evenly then just one single woofer.

As far as they size of your room , you will need the STS along with a Supercube I or II. Thats a very big room I probably would go with a Supercube I if you can swing it. I also would have gone ST over STS with a 10 center and rears.
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